#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:06

!startmeeting EPEL (2026-04-08)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:07

Meeting started at 2026-04-08 18:00:06 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:07

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2026-04-08)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:14

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:14

!meetingname epel

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:15

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:01:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:06

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:01:07

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:17

Hi Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:21

Morning nirik

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:01:45

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:46

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:12

Hi Carl George

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:04

Looks like we're few in number, but I think we're also few in things to talk about ... so let's start.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:13

!topic EPEL Issues https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/steering/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:13

!link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/steering/issues?q=&type=all&state=open&labels=3392

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:13

!link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/docs/pulls

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:34

There are no issues or pull requests marked with meeting.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:13

There aren't any new issues or pull requests either, so no chance that someone forgot to tag them.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:36

Moving to the next item on the agenda.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:45

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:37

Do we know if the !epel pull request has been merged and/or discussed?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:13

I know it's not urgent, but I don't have any other old business to bring up.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:46

i haven't seen any updates. i'm not sure who the "authority" would be to merge that one.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:09:38

which one?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:51

!link https://github.com/fedora-infra/maubot-fedora/pull/150

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:10:16

ah, normally that would be ryan

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:10:24

but I can see if I can find someone else to.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:10:33

or do it myself.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:11:11

Thank you for looking at that nirik

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:11:30

will be a pleasant surprise for diego when he gets back from pto

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:12:13

!hi

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:16

Yep.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:12:17

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:23

HI Conan Kudo 🥴

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:39

Does anyone have any other old business?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:13:22

not yet, I need to poke some sticks about the qrcode thing

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:02

It looks like it's going to be another short meeting, which is totally fine.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:13

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:25

Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:17:04

I got gotmax23to look into supporting epel10 better in fedrq, looks like it's really close to working fully

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:28

That will be nice.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:17:37

(tl;dr the epelX.Y format was not recognized before, that's the easy fix; and also the name for the testing repo as processed by mirror manager changed between 9 and 10)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:18:34

and on a related news I finally have time for ebranch again (which is why I noticed fedrq was not handling epel10 correctly) - though sorry for the Pythonistas here, it's rewritten in Rust

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:18:41

It would be nice to add an alias

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:19:00

I think it used to be testing-epel-N and now it's epel-N-testing or something like that

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:19:08

Michel knows the details

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:19:40

it was testing-epel9 (no dash)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:19:56

there are a ton of "aliases" in mirrormanager (actual term is repo redirects), and we have to manage them during mass branching and minor eols. i'd strongly prefer to not add more.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:19:59

now it's epel-z-testing-10.3 iirc (it was in the mailing list post)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:20:24

Carl Georgeif we can make the new testing name work for epel 8 and 9 that would greatly help

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:20:31

doing it the other way does not make sense, I agree

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:20:59

that sounds more reasonable, can you write up a detailed request in https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues ?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:21:07

sure!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:21:27

TIL repo redirect, that will help whoever reads this

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:21:52

it wouldn't be as bad if mm had a programatic interface, but as far as i know it's just a django admin panel

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:22:40

yeah, or direct sql calls. ;)

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:22:58

fedrq ships static repo files and it's nice to be able to use releasever substitution and have one repo file

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:23:30

But when the mirrormanager naming is inconsistent btw versions we can't do that

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:24:26

So ^ sounds reasonable to me

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:24:38

imo, it was inconsistent before, now it's consistent within epel10 😁

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:24:43

gotmax23https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues/98

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:25:09

let us know if you can live with epel-testing-8 and epel-z-testing-10.3 or you need it to also be epel-z-testing-8 even though it's not really a z

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:25:19

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:25:20

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:25:51

I'll look into it further and comment on the ticket

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:25:58

y-stream is major branch, z-stream is minor branch

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:26:09

and x ... is not used?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:26:13

(I'm used to x.y.z)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:26:28

but it's computer science so off by one seems reasonable

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:26:44

X is 8/9/10 (the major versions) I thought?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:13

i don't know all the history of how it got there, i imagine it started with x.y.z and evolved. perhaps x is major, x.y is updates for the major, y is minor and x.y.z is updates for the minor...or something

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:27:31

and now all our heads have exploded and we need to mop the mess

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:27:40

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:27:41

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:27:44

🤯

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:51

we just needed a string to inject via dnf vars and we landed on z

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:27:54

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:28:10

clearly we should use ә

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:28:15

I think at one point .z versions were represented and pushed in redhat-release updates

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:28:38

but they don't exist anymore beyond how updates are tracked and pushed after a feature release (y-stream) is made

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:12

A bigger problem than the repos thing is that non-Hatters can't file tickets against RHEL on Jira anymore

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:18

> You cannot create issues in this project.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:29:27

oh dear

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:29:32

that's not great

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:37

While the z debate is a fun rabbit hole to chace, are there any other open floor issues?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:30:23

do we know if this is just your account or if other non-hatters see the same thing?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:30:26

wow... that seems like a mistake...

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:31:11

I'm not sure. Can someone else here check :)?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:32:02

I'm checking it right now with my non-redhat account ... it's taking a while. Lots of swirling dots.

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:04

Yeah, there's some sort of auth redirect loop issue

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:28

Ohh ... ya, i'm not logged in even though I logged in ...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:33:42

https://redhat.atlassian.net/jira/for-you sometimes "fixes" that

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:44

I was told that going to https://redhat.atlassian.net/jira/for-you made it work

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:52

Mine just eventually stopped spinning and worked after a while

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:34:40

Oh ... well that's bad. My account has been marked "inactive" and I have to contact my administrator ... which is who know who.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:47

it just occured to me i had my own atlassian account, so i logged in with that in a private tab, and sure enough i get "you are not authorized..." when clicking create in the rhel space

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:34:58

If we do this, the gods will bring back all the cargo with it's bounty.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:35:48

i'll bring this up in #frcl:fedora.im channel, i'm guessing brendan will jump on this

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:36:41

speaking of which https://crates.io/crates/cargo-cult

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:36:53

and https://crates.io/crates/cargo-culting :)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:37:04

Fabio Valentini^ see there is a working cargo cult crate!

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:37:43

ha. nice.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:43:10

(kidding)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:43:22

Anyone have anything else before we close for the day?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:59

I'll take that as a no.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:48:11

Thank you all for coming, and thank you for the good discussions.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:48:32

And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's communities.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:48:39

!endmeeting