2026-04-08 18:00:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2026-04-08)
2026-04-08 18:00:07 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-04-08 18:00:06 UTC
2026-04-08 18:00:07 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2026-04-08)'
2026-04-08 18:00:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2026-04-08 18:00:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2026-04-08 18:00:15 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2026-04-08 18:01:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-08 18:01:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2026-04-08 18:01:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2026-04-08 18:01:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1 
2026-04-08 18:01:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2026-04-08 18:01:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-08 18:01:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2026-04-08 18:02:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George 
2026-04-08 18:05:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Looks like we're few in number, but I think we're also few in things to talk about ... so let's start.
2026-04-08 18:05:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/steering/issues
2026-04-08 18:05:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/steering/issues?q=&type=all&state=open&labels=3392
2026-04-08 18:05:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/docs/pulls
2026-04-08 18:05:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There are no issues or pull requests marked with meeting.
2026-04-08 18:06:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There aren't any new issues or pull requests either, so no chance that someone forgot to tag them.
2026-04-08 18:06:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving to the next item on the agenda.
2026-04-08 18:06:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2026-04-08 18:07:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we know if the !epel pull request has been merged and/or discussed?
2026-04-08 18:08:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know it's not urgent, but I don't have any other old business to bring up.
2026-04-08 18:08:46 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i haven't seen any updates.  i'm not sure who the "authority" would be to merge that one.
2026-04-08 18:09:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> which one?
2026-04-08 18:09:51 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-infra/maubot-fedora/pull/150
2026-04-08 18:10:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ah, normally that would be ryan
2026-04-08 18:10:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but I can see if I can find someone else to.
2026-04-08 18:10:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or do it myself.
2026-04-08 18:11:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you for looking at that nirik 
2026-04-08 18:11:30 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> will be a pleasant surprise for diego when he gets back from pto
2026-04-08 18:12:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-08 18:12:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep.
2026-04-08 18:12:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2026-04-08 18:12:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> HI Conan Kudo 🥴 
2026-04-08 18:12:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have any other old business?
2026-04-08 18:13:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not yet, I need to poke some sticks about the qrcode thing
2026-04-08 18:15:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It looks like it's going to be another short meeting, which is totally fine.
2026-04-08 18:15:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2026-04-08 18:15:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?
2026-04-08 18:17:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> I got gotmax23to look into supporting epel10 better in fedrq, looks like it's really close to working fully
2026-04-08 18:17:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That will be nice.
2026-04-08 18:17:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> (tl;dr the epelX.Y format was not recognized before, that's the easy fix; and also the name for the testing repo as processed by mirror manager changed between 9 and 10)
2026-04-08 18:18:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> and on a related news I finally have time for ebranch again (which is why I noticed fedrq was not handling epel10 correctly) - though sorry for the Pythonistas here, it's rewritten in Rust
2026-04-08 18:18:41 <@gotmax:matrix.org> It would be nice to add an alias
2026-04-08 18:19:00 <@gotmax:matrix.org> I think it used to be testing-epel-N and now it's epel-N-testing or something like that
2026-04-08 18:19:08 <@gotmax:matrix.org> Michel knows the details
2026-04-08 18:19:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> it was testing-epel9 (no dash) 
2026-04-08 18:19:56 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> there are a ton of "aliases" in mirrormanager (actual term is repo redirects), and we have to manage them during mass branching and minor eols.  i'd strongly prefer to not add more.
2026-04-08 18:19:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> now it's epel-z-testing-10.3 iirc (it was in the mailing list post)
2026-04-08 18:20:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> Carl Georgeif we can make the new testing name work for epel 8 and 9 that would greatly help
2026-04-08 18:20:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> doing it the other way does not make sense, I agree
2026-04-08 18:20:59 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that sounds more reasonable, can you write up a detailed request in https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues ?
2026-04-08 18:21:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> sure!
2026-04-08 18:21:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> TIL repo redirect, that will help whoever reads this
2026-04-08 18:21:52 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it wouldn't be as bad if mm had a programatic interface, but as far as i know it's just a django admin panel
2026-04-08 18:22:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, or direct sql calls. ;)
2026-04-08 18:22:58 <@gotmax:matrix.org> fedrq ships static repo files and it's nice to be able to use releasever substitution and have one repo file
2026-04-08 18:23:30 <@gotmax:matrix.org> But when the mirrormanager naming is inconsistent btw versions we can't do that
2026-04-08 18:24:26 <@gotmax:matrix.org> So ^ sounds reasonable to me
2026-04-08 18:24:38 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> imo, it was inconsistent before, now it's consistent within epel10 😁
2026-04-08 18:24:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> gotmax23https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues/98
2026-04-08 18:25:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> let us know if you can live with epel-testing-8 and epel-z-testing-10.3 or you need it to also be epel-z-testing-8 even though it's not really a z
2026-04-08 18:25:19 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-08 18:25:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2026-04-08 18:25:51 <@gotmax:matrix.org> I'll look into it further and comment on the ticket
2026-04-08 18:25:58 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> y-stream is major branch, z-stream is minor branch
2026-04-08 18:26:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> and x ... is not used?
2026-04-08 18:26:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> (I'm used to x.y.z)
2026-04-08 18:26:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> but it's computer science so off by one seems reasonable
2026-04-08 18:26:44 <@gotmax:matrix.org> X is 8/9/10 (the major versions) I thought?
2026-04-08 18:27:13 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i don't know all the history of how it got there, i imagine it started with x.y.z and evolved.  perhaps x is major, x.y is updates for the major, y is minor and x.y.z is updates for the minor...or something
2026-04-08 18:27:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> and now all our heads have exploded and we need to mop the mess
2026-04-08 18:27:40 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2026-04-08 18:27:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2026-04-08 18:27:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> 🤯
2026-04-08 18:27:51 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we just needed a string to inject via dnf vars and we landed on z
2026-04-08 18:27:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2026-04-08 18:28:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> clearly we should use ә
2026-04-08 18:28:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think at one point .z versions were represented and pushed in redhat-release updates
2026-04-08 18:28:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but they don't exist anymore beyond how updates are tracked and pushed after a feature release (y-stream) is made
2026-04-08 18:29:12 <@gotmax:matrix.org> A bigger problem than the repos thing is that non-Hatters can't file tickets against RHEL on Jira anymore
2026-04-08 18:29:18 <@gotmax:matrix.org> > You cannot create issues in this project.
2026-04-08 18:29:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh dear
2026-04-08 18:29:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's not great
2026-04-08 18:29:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> While the z debate is a fun rabbit hole to chace, are there any other open floor issues?
2026-04-08 18:30:23 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> do we know if this is just your account or if other non-hatters see the same thing?
2026-04-08 18:30:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> wow... that seems like a mistake...
2026-04-08 18:31:11 <@gotmax:matrix.org> I'm not sure. Can someone else here check :)?
2026-04-08 18:32:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm checking it right now with my non-redhat account ... it's taking a while.   Lots of swirling dots.
2026-04-08 18:33:04 <@gotmax:matrix.org> Yeah, there's some sort of auth redirect loop issue
2026-04-08 18:33:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ohh ... ya, i'm not logged in even though I logged in ... 
2026-04-08 18:33:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://redhat.atlassian.net/jira/for-you sometimes "fixes" that
2026-04-08 18:33:44 <@gotmax:matrix.org> I was told that going to https://redhat.atlassian.net/jira/for-you made it work
2026-04-08 18:33:52 <@gotmax:matrix.org> Mine just eventually stopped spinning and worked after a while
2026-04-08 18:34:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... well that's bad.  My account has been marked "inactive" and I have to contact my administrator ... which is who know who.
2026-04-08 18:34:47 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it just occured to me i had my own atlassian account, so i logged in with that in a private tab, and sure enough i get "you are not authorized..." when clicking create in the rhel space
2026-04-08 18:34:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> If we do this, the gods will bring back all the cargo with it's bounty.
2026-04-08 18:35:48 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'll bring this up in #frcl:fedora.im channel, i'm guessing brendan will jump on this
2026-04-08 18:36:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> speaking of which https://crates.io/crates/cargo-cult
2026-04-08 18:36:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> and https://crates.io/crates/cargo-culting :) 
2026-04-08 18:37:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini^ see there is a working cargo cult crate!
2026-04-08 18:37:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ha. nice.
2026-04-08 18:43:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> (kidding)
2026-04-08 18:43:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyone have anything else before we close for the day?
2026-04-08 18:47:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll take that as a no.
2026-04-08 18:48:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming, and thank you for the good discussions.
2026-04-08 18:48:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's communities.
2026-04-08 18:48:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting