#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:01:54

!startmeeting ELN SIG 14 Apr '26

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:01:55

Meeting started at 2026-04-14 16:01:54 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:01:55

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 14 Apr '26'

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:02:16

!meetingname eln

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:02:16

The Meeting Name is now eln

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:02:21

!topic Init process

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:02:50

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:02:52

Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1: Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

16:02:54

!hi

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:02:57

wow I'm still FP!

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:02:57

Troy Dawson: Troy Dawson (tdawson)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:03:03

oops second

<@elguero:fedora.im>

16:03:48

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:03:49

Michael L. Young: Michael Young (elguero)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:04:43

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:04:52

Conan Kudo 🤒: Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:05:09

oh hey someone fixed zodbot

<@jligon:matrix.org>

16:05:23

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:05:27

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<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:06:34

!topic OpenSSL 4.0

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:06:41

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/480

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:07:02

this landed yesterday in rawhide and ELN, and so far it's just been a huge mess

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:07:22

particularly, none of the usual impact analysis was done in advance

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:08:06

yeah this ... has been not great since the change proposal came up for voting

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:08:10

I expect pretty much everyone is going to forcibly switch back to openssl3 since there's no help to do the migration work

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:08:13

it was initially marked a self contained change

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:08:52

fwiw I plan to raise this (if it doesn't already come up) at fesco today, with a possible solution being to revert

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:08:55

maybe fesco / fpc needs to document some minimum standards for doing impact checks for anything like this (also toolchain updates, etc.)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:09:07

yes please, this sounds good for the fesco meeting

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:09:23

if you want to dump anything in pagure now so we have all the pointers in one place that'd help

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:09:27

please file a ticket and ask for it to be tagged for the meeting today

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:09:40

(and fabio will be at the meeting anyway so everyone who has context should be there)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:09:44

I likely won't be at the meeting, but I'm pretty sure everyone will be on the same page here

<@davide:cavalca.name>

16:10:04

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:10:05

Davide Cavalca: Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:10:47

fesco starts an hour later now, right?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:10:56

14:00 ET?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:11:15

yup

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:12:42

ok, can try to file that ticket after this meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:12:48

hard to do both at the same time

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:13:15

!topic bootc

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:13:23

jligon any updates?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:15:58

hmm I thought he joined, guess not

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:16:26

!topic fedora-release

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:16:29

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/469

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:17:20

the overall issue being that ELN's release files look more like rawhide's than they probably should

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:18:01

the recent update is that common presets have been split out into a new source package

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:18:59

so now we could even use an ELN branch of fedora-release and stop treating it (wrt this package) as a variant of fedora

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:19:39

Neal Gompa (Fedora) seemed to have some thoughts about this, but not sure if he's up to discussing it

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:22:33

anyone else have thoughts on this?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

16:23:15

I think it's a good idea.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

16:26:12

Things got quite. It's possible it's just me. But here is a proposed pull request dealing with the change.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

16:26:24

!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/402

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:27:26

that's still not merged yet?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:27:31

(needs rebasing it seems)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:28:49

no, because I then filed an alternative

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:28:53

!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/406

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:30:10

but splitting out the presets means that we could just use an ELN branch instead

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:30:51

which would then allow simplifying Fedora's version (which conditionalizes everything based on ELN or not)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

16:31:57

I'll let the three of you figure it out :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:32:39

seems like not today :-)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:33:44

!topic

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:33:56

!topic microarchitecture support

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:34:02

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/448

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:34:21

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Build_x86-64-v3_Packages

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:35:40

Conan Kudo 🤒 had initially raised this idea a little while ago, and we did an initial analysis as to the current state, which wasn't fully ready for this

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:35:55

now a different group has proposed this for fedora itself

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:39:37

don't all chime in at once :-D

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:41:23

I'm guessing it's too early for this to come up at today's fesco meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:42:33

ok moving on then

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:42:43

!topic Next meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:42:51

any conflicts next week?

<@jligon:matrix.org>

16:44:23

Well damn. Lunch distracted no updates. Will pay more attention next week. Apologies

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:44:39

!info Next meeting is next Tuesday 21 April 12:00 ET

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:44:46

np jligon

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:45:07

!topic Open floor

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:45:20

!link openssl 4.0 followup: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3596

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:45:44

anything else you want to discuss today?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

16:47:32

Nothing from me.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:50:50

ok, seeing none, I'll close this out, thanks all

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

16:50:53

!endmeeting