2026-04-14 16:01:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 14 Apr '26
2026-04-14 16:01:55 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-04-14 16:01:54 UTC
2026-04-14 16:01:55 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 14 Apr '26'
2026-04-14 16:02:16 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2026-04-14 16:02:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2026-04-14 16:02:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2026-04-14 16:02:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-14 16:02:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1: Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2026-04-14 16:02:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-14 16:02:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> wow I'm still FP!
2026-04-14 16:02:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson: Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2026-04-14 16:03:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> oops second
2026-04-14 16:03:48 <@elguero:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-14 16:03:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael L. Young: Michael Young (elguero)
2026-04-14 16:04:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-14 16:04:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Conan Kudo 🤒: Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2026-04-14 16:05:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh hey someone fixed zodbot
2026-04-14 16:05:23 <@jligon:matrix.org> !hi
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2026-04-14 16:06:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic OpenSSL 4.0
2026-04-14 16:06:41 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/480
2026-04-14 16:07:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this landed yesterday in rawhide and ELN, and so far it's just been a huge mess
2026-04-14 16:07:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> particularly, none of the usual impact analysis was done in advance
2026-04-14 16:08:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah this ... has been not great since the change proposal came up for voting
2026-04-14 16:08:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I expect pretty much everyone is going to forcibly switch back to openssl3 since there's no help to do the migration work
2026-04-14 16:08:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> it was initially marked a self contained change
2026-04-14 16:08:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> fwiw I plan to raise this (if it doesn't already come up) at fesco today, with a possible solution being to revert
2026-04-14 16:08:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> maybe fesco / fpc needs to document some minimum standards for doing impact checks for anything like this (also toolchain updates, etc.)
2026-04-14 16:09:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> yes please, this sounds good for the fesco meeting
2026-04-14 16:09:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> if you want to dump anything in pagure now so we have all the pointers in one place that'd help
2026-04-14 16:09:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please file a ticket and ask for it to be tagged for the meeting today
2026-04-14 16:09:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> (and fabio will be at the meeting anyway so everyone who has context should be there)
2026-04-14 16:09:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I likely won't be at the meeting, but I'm pretty sure everyone will be on the same page here
2026-04-14 16:10:04 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2026-04-14 16:10:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2026-04-14 16:10:47 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> fesco starts an hour later now, right?
2026-04-14 16:10:56 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> 14:00 ET?
2026-04-14 16:11:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2026-04-14 16:12:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok, can try to file that ticket after this meeting
2026-04-14 16:12:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> hard to do both at the same time
2026-04-14 16:13:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic bootc
2026-04-14 16:13:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> jligon any updates?
2026-04-14 16:15:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> hmm I thought he joined, guess not
2026-04-14 16:16:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic fedora-release
2026-04-14 16:16:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/469
2026-04-14 16:17:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the overall issue being that ELN's release files look more like rawhide's than they probably should
2026-04-14 16:18:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the recent update is that common presets have been split out into a new source package
2026-04-14 16:18:59 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so now we could even use an ELN branch of fedora-release and stop treating it (wrt this package) as a variant of fedora
2026-04-14 16:19:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (Fedora) seemed to have some thoughts about this, but not sure if he's up to discussing it
2026-04-14 16:22:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyone else have thoughts on this?
2026-04-14 16:23:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think it's a good idea.
2026-04-14 16:26:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Things got quite.  It's possible it's just me.  But here is a proposed pull request dealing with the change.
2026-04-14 16:26:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/402
2026-04-14 16:27:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> that's still not merged yet?
2026-04-14 16:27:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> (needs rebasing it seems)
2026-04-14 16:28:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no, because I then filed an alternative
2026-04-14 16:28:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/406
2026-04-14 16:30:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but splitting out the presets means that we could just use an ELN branch instead
2026-04-14 16:30:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> which would then allow simplifying Fedora's version (which conditionalizes everything based on ELN or not)
2026-04-14 16:31:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'll let the three of you figure it out :)
2026-04-14 16:32:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> seems like not today :-)
2026-04-14 16:33:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic
2026-04-14 16:33:56 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic microarchitecture support
2026-04-14 16:34:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/448
2026-04-14 16:34:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Build_x86-64-v3_Packages
2026-04-14 16:35:40 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Conan Kudo 🤒 had initially raised this idea a little while ago, and we did an initial analysis as to the current state, which wasn't fully ready for this
2026-04-14 16:35:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> now a different group has proposed this for fedora itself
2026-04-14 16:39:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> don't all chime in at once :-D
2026-04-14 16:41:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I'm guessing it's too early for this to come up at today's fesco meeting
2026-04-14 16:42:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok moving on then
2026-04-14 16:42:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2026-04-14 16:42:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any conflicts next week?
2026-04-14 16:44:23 <@jligon:matrix.org> Well damn. Lunch distracted no updates. Will pay more attention next week. Apologies
2026-04-14 16:44:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info Next meeting is next Tuesday 21 April 12:00 ET
2026-04-14 16:44:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> np jligon 
2026-04-14 16:45:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2026-04-14 16:45:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link openssl 4.0 followup: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3596
2026-04-14 16:45:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anything else you want to discuss today?
2026-04-14 16:47:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nothing from me.
2026-04-14 16:50:50 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok, seeing none, I'll close this out, thanks all
2026-04-14 16:50:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting