2026-07-07 14:01:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !startmeeting Fedora Atomic Initiative
2026-07-07 14:01:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-07-07 14:01:36 UTC
2026-07-07 14:01:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Atomic Initiative'
2026-07-07 14:01:44 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2026-07-07 14:01:49 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:01:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> nimbinatus: Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers
2026-07-07 14:01:53 <@jeckersb:fedora.im> !hi
2026-07-07 14:01:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Eckersberg: John Eckersberg (jeckersb)
2026-07-07 14:01:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:02:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dustymabe: Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:02:02 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2026-07-07 14:02:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov: Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:02:26 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:02:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sean Thrailkill: Sean Thrailkill (snthrailkill)
2026-07-07 14:02:47 <@siosm:fedora.im> !hi
2026-07-07 14:02:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier: Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:02:58 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:03:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jmarrero: Joseph Marrero (jmarrero)
2026-07-07 14:03:18 <@jligon:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:03:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jligon: Jeff Ligon (jligon)
2026-07-07 14:04:16 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> so I don't have any specific topics in mind today as I've been heads down elsewhere, but there's been a lot of discussion in the channel. Does anyone have topics they'd like to bring to the table early, or shall I just open the floor and we go at it?
2026-07-07 14:05:06 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> Just a quick update on the unified pipeline it looks like we got access now: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/infra/tickets/issues/13443 I will reach out to a couple of interested parties about migrating the fedora-bootc repo.
2026-07-07 14:05:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> nimbinatus has already given cookies to jmarrero during the F44 timeframe
2026-07-07 14:06:17 <@jligon:matrix.org> > But even in the bootc case, using a boot media from OS A to install OS B is not really a good experience.
2026-07-07 14:06:17 <@jligon:matrix.org> I'd like to continue the thread that Timothée Ravier and I had yesterday about 
2026-07-07 14:06:21 <@jligon:matrix.org> if theres time
2026-07-07 14:06:34 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> let's get into it, then :)
2026-07-07 14:06:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic boot media discussions
2026-07-07 14:07:27 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !info Administrivia: The unified pipeline access is set up and migration of fedora-bootc repo is in progress (before I forget to add the note)
2026-07-07 14:07:47 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:07:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jbtrystram: Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:07:52 <@jligon:matrix.org> Having a generic bootc installer for any bootc host isn't a bad thing in my mind, but the idea that a iso installs what is on it seems like something most people expect
2026-07-07 14:08:26 <@jligon:matrix.org> so why not have a neutral installer that installs anything?
2026-07-07 14:08:36 <@siosm:fedora.im> SIG membership should be fixed for the new forge org. Let me know if you need access
2026-07-07 14:08:50 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:08:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jcapitao: Joel Capitao (jcapitao) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:08:58 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> jligon: so net installer ?
2026-07-07 14:09:18 <@siosm:fedora.im> The unified pipeline access > Hum, that's not the case
2026-07-07 14:09:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> nimbinatus has already given cookies to siosm during the F44 timeframe
2026-07-07 14:09:26 <@siosm:fedora.im> only the access to the org on the forge is readt
2026-07-07 14:09:33 <@siosm:fedora.im> only the access to the org on the forge is ready
2026-07-07 14:09:55 <@hricky:fedora.im> I see only four members in https://forge.fedoraproject.org/atomic.
2026-07-07 14:10:31 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jligon: any installer can be a "net installer" you just point it at the thing you want to install instead of it installing what's baked into it. 
2026-07-07 14:11:08 <@jligon:matrix.org> agreed, and I want anaconda's gui to support pointing it a bootc repo
2026-07-07 14:11:52 <@siosm:fedora.im> anyone that got granted membership has to log out / log in again to be added as member
2026-07-07 14:12:42 <@siosm:fedora.im> I think no one disagree with that
2026-07-07 14:13:12 <@walters:fedora.im> (s/bootc repo/registry/)
2026-07-07 14:13:26 <@hricky:fedora.im> Yeah, after I log out and log back in, it seems to be fine. Sorry for the noise.
2026-07-07 14:14:02 <@jligon:matrix.org> logged in, not a member
2026-07-07 14:14:06 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> No worries!
2026-07-07 14:15:09 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/org/atomic/members shows you as a member, jligon ?
2026-07-07 14:15:41 <@jligon:matrix.org> oops, looking at atomic desktops, my bad
2026-07-07 14:16:35 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> so on the installer discussion... are we needing to open a ticket on Anaconda asking for the ability to have a selector?
2026-07-07 14:17:06 <@jligon:matrix.org> or look for an existing ticket for it
2026-07-07 14:17:15 <@cverna_:matrix.org> !hi
2026-07-07 14:17:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Clément Verna: Clement Verna (cverna) - he / him / his
2026-07-07 14:17:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'll be honest that I've been eyeballing this with the thought of trying to get it to work in my free time (whatever that means): https://github.com/projectbluefin/bootc-installer
2026-07-07 14:17:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I don't know yet if that can take just the image or if it needs an ISO though
2026-07-07 14:18:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> there's also `bootc install to-disk`, but I think that's still a big leap for someone just wanting to do an install. GUIs would be the way to go imho
2026-07-07 14:18:25 <@walters:fedora.im> I think installers are not the most important thread? we were talking about the pipeline which is i think still blocked on https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/13341
2026-07-07 14:18:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> there's two conversations happening here at once :D
2026-07-07 14:18:56 <@jligon:matrix.org> happy to table mine, since everyone already agrees with me
2026-07-07 14:19:08 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> sounds good
2026-07-07 14:19:10 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> let's hop
2026-07-07 14:19:18 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic pipeline blockers
2026-07-07 14:19:28 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/13341
2026-07-07 14:23:32 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Anything specific on the installers/Konflux service account? Or just wanting to talk about the blockers and figure out what's needed?
2026-07-07 14:24:04 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> TBH I'm lost with the last solution
2026-07-07 14:24:08 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> > this would mean that all the admins of all the namespaces where this token/secret is created would have access to all the repos.
2026-07-07 14:24:51 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> that was our concern
2026-07-07 14:25:23 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> but it looks like there is no better solution AFAIU
2026-07-07 14:27:25 <@siosm:fedora.im> So I guess we should have to create one mailing list for each org with the owners on it, then create one konflux fas account from that mailing list and then create a token for that account.
2026-07-07 14:27:36 <@siosm:fedora.im> So I guess we whould have to create one mailing list for each org with the owners on it, then create one konflux fas account from that mailing list and then create a token for that account.
2026-07-07 14:28:02 <@siosm:fedora.im> Ideally we don't create another group for the email and account and reuse the existing owner group
2026-07-07 14:28:35 <@siosm:fedora.im> This way only owners can get the token but at the same time they already have full access to all the repos anyway
2026-07-07 14:29:50 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> sounds good
2026-07-07 14:31:24 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> I'll update the ticket with that proposal 
2026-07-07 14:33:17 <@siosm:fedora.im> sad that we are back to the workaround solution we had at the beginning :/
2026-07-07 14:33:51 <@siosm:fedora.im> but I don't see another immediate option (and we can always revisit if one come up)
2026-07-07 14:34:41 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> agreed :( maybe there is someone on infra team we can ask just to make sure theres no better workaround available? 
2026-07-07 14:35:02 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> like continue with our workaround but open a ticket just in case
2026-07-07 14:35:26 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> yep, I think all the stakeholders are in the thread
2026-07-07 14:36:58 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> So we should make sure that ticket doesn't get closed (so the feature request is tracked) when the workaround is in place
2026-07-07 14:39:43 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> yes I'll handle that as a follow-up once the current ticket is addressed
2026-07-07 14:43:35 <@siosm:fedora.im> Let's move to the next topic?
2026-07-07 14:44:51 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> sorry! door-to-door person interruption
2026-07-07 14:44:55 <@siosm:fedora.im> (and don't forget to watch the tracker repo on the new forge as Forgejo does not watch repos by default)
2026-07-07 14:45:00 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> do we have another topic?
2026-07-07 14:45:57 <@siosm:fedora.im> We got approval to use the Atomic name
2026-07-07 14:46:16 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> yup! that was at Council last week
2026-07-07 14:46:19 <@siosm:fedora.im> Maybe we should create a proper SIG (we have most of it already, I think we just need a new Wiki page)?
2026-07-07 14:46:45 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> :D I think that would be a good move, personally.... let me set up meetbot; one sec
2026-07-07 14:46:52 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic Atomic name approval and SIG creation
2026-07-07 14:47:12 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !idea create a proper SIG
2026-07-07 14:47:18 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> so, what do folks think?
2026-07-07 14:48:31 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> As part of this can we get a new subsection of the calendar? i.e. not under SIGs - when I subscribe to a calendar I don't want to see all SIG meetings, just the ones I'm interested in. Right now it's: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/SIGs/#_ 
2026-07-07 14:49:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> as opposed to CoreOS, which is: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/CoreOS/ 
2026-07-07 14:51:06 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'll be honest that I don't really know much about how getting a calendar works, but I can figure it out
2026-07-07 14:51:22 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I can't picture why we couldn't
2026-07-07 14:51:39 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> probably an infra ticket.. if it's self service they will let you know 
2026-07-07 14:52:51 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> if you can use a link for the group then any new meetings that get added will auto show up 
2026-07-07 14:52:51 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah. the reason for the frustration here is I've added this specific meeting to my cal a few times, but any time it gets deleted/recreated (different time or different details) it gets a new calender ID/link and all of a sudden it's missing from my calendar.
2026-07-07 14:52:51 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2026-07-07 14:53:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so I could use the group link for SIGs today, but I don't care much about seeing meeting info for ELN and riscv 
2026-07-07 14:53:39 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> yeah, that makes sense. And tbh, I would think that, once things get a bit more centralized, you'll want meetings on Konflux infra, on different Atomic Desktop variants, on general bootable topics, etc.
2026-07-07 14:55:06 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> we've got about 5 minutes. Can I get a rough vote on who's interested in joining an Atomic SIG? Then we can parcel out what needs to get done (or I can get that process rolling for all of us). Reply with +1 or similar pls?
2026-07-07 14:55:19 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Just to get a sense of how interested folks are
2026-07-07 14:55:54 <@hricky:fedora.im> +1
2026-07-07 14:56:02 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> +1
2026-07-07 14:56:26 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> +1
2026-07-07 14:56:32 <@jligon:matrix.org> +1
2026-07-07 14:57:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> not sure exactly what membership means here, but I'm interested in following the developments closely.
2026-07-07 14:57:50 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> yup, I mostly am just asking in case someone tries to tell us we're too small or don't have enough interest
2026-07-07 14:58:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'm interested :) 
2026-07-07 14:58:12 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> that's all I really needed 😁
2026-07-07 14:58:26 <@siosm:fedora.im> +1
2026-07-07 14:58:34 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !agreed We're going to create/formalize an Atomic SIG. We've gotten ~7 interested folks, so we'll move forward with setting that up. We'll also set up a calendar or request one so we can have an easier way for people to subscribe to the meeting links.
2026-07-07 14:59:13 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Set up the wiki page (or take over an old one?) for the new SIG
2026-07-07 14:59:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Find out how exactly we do this? 😅
2026-07-07 14:59:33 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Set up a SIG calendar
2026-07-07 14:59:42 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, so those are the three action items here that I can think of
2026-07-07 15:00:44 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> +1 from me too (got side tracked)
2026-07-07 15:00:52 <@jeckersb:fedora.im> belated +1 too :)
2026-07-07 15:01:03 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> no worries!
2026-07-07 15:01:09 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, time to end. thanks for coming!
2026-07-07 15:01:11 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !endmeeting