#meeting-2:fedoraproject.org log

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:00:18

!startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:19

Meeting started at 2025-01-08 15:00:18 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:19

The Meeting name is 'Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting'

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:01:20

hrm, looks like the bot is still on PTO

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:01:22

👋

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:05:30

issue was on my end :)

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:05:37

Good morning Micah Abbott

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:06:15

Looks like just you and I, did you have anything you wanted to discuss?

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:07:52

I think for the purposes of open communication, a discussion of work/progress on removing `zezere` and/or evaluating `systemd-firstboot` would be good

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:08:35

!link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/62

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:08:55

!link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/75

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:09:46

Sure- I plan on submitting a Fedora change to deprecate `zezere`, and looking at `systemd-firstboot` as a replacement. Hitting some issues while running it, but working through it

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:10:44

Cool! Usual reminder to keep us updated on any significant progress (or blockers) in the upstream issues 🙂

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:11:17

right, will do.

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:12:41

I think the other item worth an update/discussion is the progress towards adoption of bootable containers. I know we have a tracker item, but we should probably start thinking about a timeline for GA of IoT via bootable containers and the deprecation of the ostree commits

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:13:24

!link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/53

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:13:50

Agreed, I haven't looked at the other editions in a while, have they put forward a timeline for deprecating ostree commits? We should likely align if possibl e

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:14:42

I don't know of their timelines off hand. I've been more closely following Atomic Desktops...I don't forsee any deprecation of the ostree commits until F43+

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:15:10

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/sig/-/issues/26

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:15:52

CoreOS will probably be even later than F43+

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:15:54

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1726

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:16:34

Ok, I'll add it to the agenda for next week, hopefully we have more folks around to discuss it

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:17:01

Let's focus on IoT in this discussion: do we have a sense of what we consider GA for bootable container support?

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:17:12

i.e. let's scope that work so we know what to aim for

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:18:16

I think we need to be producing our expected deliverables, disk images and isos

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:19:08

do we expect users to be able to upgrade in place from their ostree commit to a container image? or do we say that they need to reprovision?

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:19:11

which we've discussed- do we produce those, or provide documentation on producing htem

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:19:25

which we've discussed- do we produce those, or provide documentation on producing them

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:20:00

existing users could do either, upgrading works now

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:20:01

docs on producing the disk images/isos might be a good "tech preview" release

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:20:34

Right, we have that elsewhere, but some docs in our getting started guide would be great

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:20:39

and if we get to the point where we can deliver those artifacts as part of a typical release, that would be GA?

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:21:35

...and everything works as expected- I think so. Yourself?

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:21:48

seems like a reasonable goal 🙂

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:22:06

i'll take an action to update that tracker issue with these details

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:22:44

!action miabbott Update bootable container tracker issue with scope/goals for a GA release of bootable container support

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:23:20

I do think we should revisit this discuss with more people in attendance too, so I'll add it to next week

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:24:41

I think we should discuss this again next week with more people here, use your updates to drive the discussion

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:25:10

i would like that; nothing we decide is set in stone. we should always be adapting

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:25:37

ok, noted.

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:26:37

Anything else for today?

<@miabbott:fedora.im>

15:28:04

that is all that i had

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:28:34

ok, thanks Micah Abbott

<@pwhalen:fedora.im>

15:28:37

!endmeeting