2025-01-08 15:00:18 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
2025-01-08 15:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-08 15:00:18 UTC
2025-01-08 15:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting'
2025-01-08 15:01:20 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> hrm, looks like the bot is still on PTO 
2025-01-08 15:01:22 <@miabbott:fedora.im> 👋
2025-01-08 15:05:30 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> issue was on my end :) 
2025-01-08 15:05:37 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Good morning Micah Abbott
2025-01-08 15:06:15 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Looks like just you and I, did you have anything you wanted to discuss? 
2025-01-08 15:07:52 <@miabbott:fedora.im> I think for the purposes of open communication, a discussion of work/progress on removing `zezere` and/or evaluating `systemd-firstboot` would be good
2025-01-08 15:08:35 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/62
2025-01-08 15:08:55 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/75
2025-01-08 15:09:46 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Sure- I plan on submitting a Fedora change to deprecate `zezere`, and looking at `systemd-firstboot` as a replacement. Hitting some issues while running it, but working through it 
2025-01-08 15:10:44 <@miabbott:fedora.im> Cool!  Usual reminder to keep us updated on any significant progress (or blockers) in the upstream issues  🙂
2025-01-08 15:11:17 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> right, will do.
2025-01-08 15:12:41 <@miabbott:fedora.im> I think the other item worth an update/discussion is the progress towards adoption of bootable containers.  I know we have a tracker item, but we should probably start thinking about a timeline for GA of IoT via bootable containers and the deprecation of the ostree commits
2025-01-08 15:13:24 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-iot/iot-distro/issues/53
2025-01-08 15:13:50 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Agreed, I haven't looked at the other editions in a while, have they put forward a timeline for deprecating ostree commits? We should likely align if possibl e
2025-01-08 15:14:42 <@miabbott:fedora.im> I don't know of their timelines off hand. I've been more closely following Atomic Desktops...I don't forsee any deprecation of the ostree commits until F43+
2025-01-08 15:15:10 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/sig/-/issues/26
2025-01-08 15:15:52 <@miabbott:fedora.im> CoreOS will probably be even later than F43+
2025-01-08 15:15:54 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1726
2025-01-08 15:16:34 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Ok, I'll add it to the agenda for next week, hopefully we have more folks around to discuss it 
2025-01-08 15:17:01 <@miabbott:fedora.im> Let's focus on IoT in this discussion:  do we have a sense of what we consider GA for bootable container support?
2025-01-08 15:17:12 <@miabbott:fedora.im> i.e. let's scope that work so we know what to aim for
2025-01-08 15:18:16 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> I think we need to be producing our expected deliverables, disk images and isos
2025-01-08 15:19:08 <@miabbott:fedora.im> do we expect users to be able to upgrade in place from their ostree commit to a container image? or do we say that they need to reprovision?
2025-01-08 15:19:11 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> which we've discussed- do we produce those, or provide documentation on producing htem
2025-01-08 15:19:25 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> which we've discussed- do we produce those, or provide documentation on producing them
2025-01-08 15:20:00 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> existing users could do either, upgrading works now
2025-01-08 15:20:01 <@miabbott:fedora.im> docs on producing the disk images/isos might be a good "tech preview" release
2025-01-08 15:20:34 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Right, we have that elsewhere, but some docs in our getting started guide would be great 
2025-01-08 15:20:39 <@miabbott:fedora.im> and if we get to the point where we can deliver those artifacts as part of a typical release, that would be GA?
2025-01-08 15:21:35 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> ...and everything works as expected- I think so. Yourself? 
2025-01-08 15:21:48 <@miabbott:fedora.im> seems like a reasonable goal 🙂
2025-01-08 15:22:06 <@miabbott:fedora.im> i'll take an action to update that tracker issue with these details
2025-01-08 15:22:44 <@miabbott:fedora.im> !action miabbott Update bootable container tracker issue with scope/goals for a GA release of bootable container support
2025-01-08 15:23:20 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> I do think we should revisit this discuss with more people in attendance too, so I'll add it to next week
2025-01-08 15:24:41 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> I think we should discuss this again next week with more people here, use your updates to drive the discussion 
2025-01-08 15:25:10 <@miabbott:fedora.im> i would like that; nothing we decide is set in stone. we should always be adapting 
2025-01-08 15:25:37 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> ok, noted. 
2025-01-08 15:26:37 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Anything else for today? 
2025-01-08 15:28:04 <@miabbott:fedora.im> that is all that i had
2025-01-08 15:28:34 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> ok, thanks Micah Abbott
2025-01-08 15:28:37 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> !endmeeting