<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:39:44
!startmeeting fedora-ai-ml-sig
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:39:45
Meeting started at 2025-08-28 16:39:44 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:39:46
The Meeting name is 'fedora-ai-ml-sig'
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:39:57
Ok, we are good!
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:40:06
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:40:07
Alexander Lent (xanderlent)
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:40:13
one sec cjhccking topic
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:40:29
we have a short time, what items need to be discussed vs informational ?
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:40:40
mine are all informational.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:40:56
Everything in my group is informational also
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:41:02
You can go first
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:41:21
!topic New packagers group created
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:41:38
xanderlent
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:42:25
Thanks, not much to say here. I am planning to add the packager group to the various AI packages that I maintain to allow folks to commit to them if I'm not able.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:42:25
The group has been created and I will document it on the wiki page
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:42:25
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:43:21
!action xanderlent Add packager group to SIG wiki
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:43:48
I will move on to the next topic unless there are objections?
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:43:56
nope
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:44:06
Cool, passing to you
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:44:20
no
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:44:27
!topic PyTorch in EPEL
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:44:32
!info Huggingface for F44
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:45:02
Oops, sorry for the confusion. We can skip the HF stuff it was discussed last time
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:45:15
just that pytorch and a bunch of dependencies all landing today in epel 10. still a lot to do to see it running as well as in fedora.
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:45:49
so pytorch next?
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:45:58
!info PyTorch in EPEL
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:46:01
if anyone wants to help with that, please poke me in about a week.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:46:39
i am on pto for the next 10 days.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:47:42
!info Anyone interested in PyTorch on EPEL should get in touch
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:47:52
also means most of the popular ROCm packages are in EPEL. if folks want to see other integrations with epel packages, poke me about that too.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:48:33
that's it for pytorch i think.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:48:38
Cool. Shall we move on to package licensing?
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:48:50
ok.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:49:16
!topic Adding explicit package licenses to improve sharing with OpenSUSE
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:49:32
OpenSUSE 's ROCm is Fedora's atm. I am adding Fedora copyrights to make it clear that Fedora has some rights.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:49:46
using the default fedora copyright.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:50:26
ROCm is landing in TumbleWeed, OpenSUSE's version of Rawhide, so best to get this straight.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:50:35
!link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/fedora-linux-license/
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:50:46
!link: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amdsmi/c/c718d366ea00ebc24f2d2d3f545f68300fb660a6?branch=rawhide
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:51:00
yup thats the one.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:51:13
!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amdsmi/c/c718d366ea00ebc24f2d2d3f545f68300fb660a6?branch=rawhide
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:51:36
i finished (i think) them this morning.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:52:00
any questions ?
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:52:11
Nothing here
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
16:52:16
none
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:52:18
ok, moving on.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:52:25
!info ROCm packages now all have explicit licenses
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:52:53
Ok, I think the rest of the topics are mine.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:53:23
!topic Intel NPU Driver in Rawhide (F44)
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:53:43
nice!
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:54:04
So it turns out the OpenVINO maintainer was working on this in parallel, and he figured out how to get the compiler building within that package.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:54:19
brave!
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:54:34
I have submitted a few pull requests with suggestions and version upgrades, and I'll try and get in touch with him about potentially being a co-maintainer.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:55:29
!info The Intel NPU Driver is available as `intel-npu-driver` and `intel-npu-compiler` in rawhide
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:56:33
If nobody has any questions I will move on to the final two topics, which I think we should put off to the next meeting when we'll have more time.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:58:03
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:58:03
- Fedora has two implementations of the OpenCL ICD loader
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:58:03
- Feature Request: Add Vulkan backend to packages like libggml/llama-cpp/whisper-cpp
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
16:58:03
Those being:
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:58:07
yes. i would like to see more backends, just who would do the work
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:58:14
and that is a topic.
<@trix:fedora.im>
16:59:43
my concern about vlk, is i sign up for AMD (maybe) but get stuck looking at NVIDIA problems, I have 0 nvidia hw and 0 interest in nvidia.
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
17:00:13
if we add it as build option it can be automaticy set without and so if it has problem i or some else has to deal with it
<@trix:fedora.im>
17:00:16
sorry, i need to go to other meeting,
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:00:28
!topic Proposals for Vulkan backends
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:00:47
!info Concerns expressed about maintainability with diverse HW
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:01:14
I am OK with breaking abruptly if folks want to push this to next time
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
17:01:38
im fine with that
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:02:34
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:02:34
I investigated a VK backend for POCL (which I now maintain) but POCL's is experimental and unfinished.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:02:34
I'd be interested in helping with a Vulkan backend personally, but I agree testing could be tricky.
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:04:48
Anyway, it looks like folks have to head out as was discussed, so I would move to end the meeting early.
<@trix:fedora.im>
17:06:37
ok..
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:06:48
!info Discussion on Vulkan postponed to next meeting
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:08:23
!topic Open floor
<@xanderlent:fedora.im>
17:18:33
Mohammadreza Hendiani: It has been 10 minutes without activity, please end the meeting at your discretion.
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
17:25:58
Ok
<@man2dev:fedora.im>
17:26:14
!endmeeting