2025-08-28 16:39:44 <@man2dev:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-ai-ml-sig
2025-08-28 16:39:45 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-08-28 16:39:44 UTC
2025-08-28 16:39:46 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-ai-ml-sig'
2025-08-28 16:39:57 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Ok, we are good!
2025-08-28 16:40:06 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-28 16:40:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Alexander Lent (xanderlent)
2025-08-28 16:40:13 <@man2dev:fedora.im> one sec cjhccking topic
2025-08-28 16:40:29 <@trix:fedora.im> we have a short time, what items need to be discussed vs informational ?
2025-08-28 16:40:40 <@trix:fedora.im> mine are all informational.
2025-08-28 16:40:56 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Everything in my group is informational also
2025-08-28 16:41:02 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> You can go first
2025-08-28 16:41:21 <@man2dev:fedora.im> !topic New packagers group created
2025-08-28 16:41:38 <@man2dev:fedora.im> xanderlent
2025-08-28 16:42:25 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Thanks, not much to say here. I am planning to add the packager group to the various AI packages that I maintain to allow folks to commit to them if I'm not able. 
2025-08-28 16:42:25 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> The group has been created and I will document it on the wiki page
2025-08-28 16:42:25 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> 
2025-08-28 16:43:21 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !action xanderlent Add packager group to SIG wiki 
2025-08-28 16:43:48 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I will move on to the next topic unless there are objections?
2025-08-28 16:43:56 <@trix:fedora.im> nope
2025-08-28 16:44:06 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Cool, passing to you
2025-08-28 16:44:20 <@man2dev:fedora.im> no
2025-08-28 16:44:27 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !topic PyTorch in EPEL
2025-08-28 16:44:32 <@man2dev:fedora.im> !info Huggingface for F44
2025-08-28 16:45:02 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Oops, sorry for the confusion. We can skip the HF stuff it was discussed last time
2025-08-28 16:45:15 <@trix:fedora.im> just that pytorch and a bunch of dependencies all landing today in epel 10.  still a lot to do to see it running as well as in fedora.
2025-08-28 16:45:49 <@man2dev:fedora.im> so pytorch next?
2025-08-28 16:45:58 <@man2dev:fedora.im> !info PyTorch in EPEL
2025-08-28 16:46:01 <@trix:fedora.im> if anyone wants to help with that, please poke me in about a week.
2025-08-28 16:46:39 <@trix:fedora.im> i am on pto for the next 10 days.
2025-08-28 16:47:42 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !info Anyone interested in PyTorch on EPEL should get in touch
2025-08-28 16:47:52 <@trix:fedora.im> also means most of the popular ROCm packages are in EPEL.  if folks want to see other integrations with epel packages, poke me about that too.
2025-08-28 16:48:33 <@trix:fedora.im> that's it for pytorch i think.
2025-08-28 16:48:38 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Cool. Shall we move on to package licensing?
2025-08-28 16:48:50 <@trix:fedora.im> ok.
2025-08-28 16:49:16 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !topic Adding explicit package licenses to improve sharing with OpenSUSE
2025-08-28 16:49:32 <@trix:fedora.im> OpenSUSE 's ROCm is Fedora's atm. I am adding Fedora copyrights to make it clear that Fedora has some rights.
2025-08-28 16:49:46 <@trix:fedora.im> using the default fedora copyright.
2025-08-28 16:50:26 <@trix:fedora.im> ROCm is landing in TumbleWeed, OpenSUSE's version of Rawhide, so  best to get this straight.
2025-08-28 16:50:35 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/fedora-linux-license/
2025-08-28 16:50:46 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !link: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amdsmi/c/c718d366ea00ebc24f2d2d3f545f68300fb660a6?branch=rawhide
2025-08-28 16:51:00 <@trix:fedora.im> yup thats the one.
2025-08-28 16:51:13 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amdsmi/c/c718d366ea00ebc24f2d2d3f545f68300fb660a6?branch=rawhide
2025-08-28 16:51:36 <@trix:fedora.im> i finished (i think) them this morning.
2025-08-28 16:52:00 <@trix:fedora.im> any questions ?
2025-08-28 16:52:11 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Nothing here
2025-08-28 16:52:16 <@man2dev:fedora.im> none
2025-08-28 16:52:18 <@trix:fedora.im> ok, moving on.
2025-08-28 16:52:25 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !info ROCm packages now all have explicit licenses
2025-08-28 16:52:53 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Ok, I think the rest of the topics are mine.
2025-08-28 16:53:23 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !topic Intel NPU Driver in Rawhide (F44)
2025-08-28 16:53:43 <@trix:fedora.im> nice!
2025-08-28 16:54:04 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> So it turns out the OpenVINO maintainer was working on this in parallel, and he figured out how to get the compiler building within that package.
2025-08-28 16:54:19 <@trix:fedora.im> brave!
2025-08-28 16:54:34 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I have submitted a few pull requests with suggestions and version upgrades, and I'll try and get in touch with him about potentially being a co-maintainer.
2025-08-28 16:55:29 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !info The Intel NPU Driver is available as `intel-npu-driver` and `intel-npu-compiler` in rawhide
2025-08-28 16:56:33 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> If nobody has any questions I will move on to the final two topics, which I think we should put off to the next meeting when we'll have more time.
2025-08-28 16:58:03 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> 
2025-08-28 16:58:03 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - Fedora has two implementations of the OpenCL ICD loader
2025-08-28 16:58:03 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - Feature Request: Add Vulkan backend to packages like libggml/llama-cpp/whisper-cpp
2025-08-28 16:58:03 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Those being:
2025-08-28 16:58:07 <@trix:fedora.im> yes. i would like to see more backends, just who would do the work 
2025-08-28 16:58:14 <@trix:fedora.im> and that is a topic.
2025-08-28 16:59:43 <@trix:fedora.im> my concern about vlk, is i sign up for AMD (maybe) but get stuck looking at NVIDIA problems, I have 0 nvidia hw and 0 interest in nvidia.
2025-08-28 17:00:13 <@man2dev:fedora.im> if we add it as build option it can be automaticy set without and so if it has problem i or some else has to deal with it
2025-08-28 17:00:16 <@trix:fedora.im> sorry, i need to go to other meeting, 
2025-08-28 17:00:28 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !topic Proposals for Vulkan backends
2025-08-28 17:00:47 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !info Concerns expressed about maintainability with diverse HW
2025-08-28 17:01:14 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I am OK with breaking abruptly if folks want to push this to next time
2025-08-28 17:01:38 <@man2dev:fedora.im> im fine with that
2025-08-28 17:02:34 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> 
2025-08-28 17:02:34 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I investigated a VK backend for POCL (which I now maintain) but POCL's is experimental and unfinished.
2025-08-28 17:02:34 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I'd be interested in helping with a Vulkan backend personally, but I agree testing could be tricky.
2025-08-28 17:04:48 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Anyway, it looks like folks have to head out as was discussed, so I would move to end the meeting early.
2025-08-28 17:06:37 <@trix:fedora.im> ok..
2025-08-28 17:06:48 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !info Discussion on Vulkan postponed to next meeting
2025-08-28 17:08:23 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-08-28 17:18:33 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Mohammadreza Hendiani: It has been 10 minutes without activity, please end the meeting at your discretion.
2025-08-28 17:25:58 <@man2dev:fedora.im> Ok
2025-08-28 17:26:14 <@man2dev:fedora.im> !endmeeting