#meeting-2:fedoraproject.org log

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:33:15

!startmeeting fedora-ai-ml-sig

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:33:16

Meeting started at 2025-10-09 16:33:15 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:33:16

The Meeting name is 'fedora-ai-ml-sig'

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:33:24

!topic hello and welcome

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:33:26

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:26

Tim Flink (tflink)

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

16:33:38

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:39

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@gordonmessmer:fedora.im>

16:33:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:45

Gordon Messmer (gordonmessmer)

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:34:02

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:02

Alexander Lent (xanderlent)

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:34:44

welcome, everyone

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:01

apologies for the late start, let's move on to the agenda

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:08

#link https://board.net/p/fedora-aiml-sig-meeting-agenda

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:23

#topic pytorch 2.9 looking for arm co-maintainer or dropping arm support

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:32

bah, old habits

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:39

!topic pytorch 2.9 looking for arm co-maintainer or dropping arm support

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:35:51

Tom Rix: this one is yours

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:36:40

2.9 is coming this week. on list i expressed concern arm would not be tested _again_

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:37:10

but also requiring arm hw i don't believe most people would have.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:37:58

i am working on pytorch_arches macro that will make it easy to drop arm.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:38:10

anyone interested in arm enough ?

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:38:42

we do have while before f44 branches.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:39:43

to make sure I understand before making notes - you're looking for a pytorch comaintainer, specifically for the arm builds. If someone doesn't volunteer to handle the arm builds of pytorch by f44 branch time, you're planning to drop those builds?

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:40:34

i can keep the builds going as long as there isn't a serious problem with the build. atm i dependent on koji to do the build that isn't great.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:41:42

building torch on a rpi or similar will be frustrating.

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:41:51

FWIW scratch builds in Koji are a lot faster than mock+qemu (after trying to reproduce the build issue yesterday)

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:42:13

Tom Rix: is available HW the issue or is your time/interest more of the issue?

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:42:20

both.

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:42:25

But my problem is that all my arm hardware is slow, no Apple or Ampere access.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:43:07

my day job is all x86-64 now, in the past it wasn't.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:43:47

we can push off this topic if there are no taker. just warning folks.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:44:57

draft: current pytorch maintainer does not want to continue maintaining aarch64 builds of pytorch. Unless a co-maintainer for pytorch on arm steps up before f44 branch time, those arm builds will be dropped

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:45:06

did I capture things well enough?

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:45:12

sounds good.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:45:22

!info current pytorch maintainer does not want to continue maintaining aarch64 builds of pytorch. Unless a co-maintainer for pytorch on arm steps up before f44 branch time, those arm builds will be dropped

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:46:00

ok, it sounds like this topic is done, moving on if that's the case

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:46:31

in a slightly more positive question, if someone what's another torch backend and wants to do the work, i am up to help there too.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:47:13

we can carry on.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:47:16

!topic ROCm 7 update

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:47:56

for the most part the stack is rebuild. the outlier is rocm-bandwidth-test, which is so broken its likely to stay borked for a while.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:48:33

mostly i want to hear what other apps still need love.

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:48:55

torch and ollama still do.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:49:08

!info ROCm 7 update is mostly done in rawhide

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:49:33

!info please let ROCm maintainers know if there are other apps that still need attention

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:50:13

I assume that's all for that topic?

<@trix:fedora.im>

16:50:32

yes.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:50:56

cool, thanks for the update

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:51:02

!topic PoCL 7.0 changes; pending PoCL 7.1 update

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:51:09

Alexander Lent: this one is yours

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:52:26

Thanks.

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:53:27

I've tried to update PoCL to make sure that we're running the tests in Koji as well as align better with upstream (fixing the description, enabling arch-optimization on ppc64le, and building the compiler with GCC)

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:54:08

I've got a few PRs to add various features, as well as to update to the latest 7.1 release against the repo, if anyone would like to take a look and provide feedback.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:56:50

!info There are PRs to update PoCL (implementation of OpenCL), run tests in koji and align more closely with upstream. Feedback on these updates is welcome

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:56:59

!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/pocl/pull-requests

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:57:01

Specificall, the enhancements pending are

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:57:01

- update to latest 7.1 -> this could use feedback due to a new bundled library

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:57:01

- SPIR-V support in PoCL -> WIP

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:57:01

- restore i686 support -> need to check if test fails are meaningful

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:57:01

- add Level Zero backend (for Intel GPU/NPU) -> depends on SPIR-V, looks straightforward from there

<@xanderlent:fedora.im>

16:58:24

Thanks, that's all for now.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:59:26

thanks for the update

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:59:53

that's all of the topics on the agenda for today, moving on to

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:59:57

!topic open floor

<@tflink:fedora.im>

17:00:16

any other topics that folks want to bring up??

<@tflink:fedora.im>

17:03:11

I'm going to take silence as a "no" :)

<@tflink:fedora.im>

17:03:17

thanks for coming, everyone

<@tflink:fedora.im>

17:03:32

!endmeeting