2025-10-09 16:33:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-ai-ml-sig
2025-10-09 16:33:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-10-09 16:33:15 UTC
2025-10-09 16:33:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-ai-ml-sig'
2025-10-09 16:33:24 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic hello and welcome
2025-10-09 16:33:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-09 16:33:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tim Flink (tflink)
2025-10-09 16:33:38 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-09 16:33:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-10-09 16:33:44 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-09 16:33:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer (gordonmessmer)
2025-10-09 16:34:02 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-09 16:34:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Alexander Lent (xanderlent)
2025-10-09 16:34:44 <@tflink:fedora.im> welcome, everyone
2025-10-09 16:35:01 <@tflink:fedora.im> apologies for the late start, let's move on to the agenda
2025-10-09 16:35:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> #link https://board.net/p/fedora-aiml-sig-meeting-agenda
2025-10-09 16:35:23 <@tflink:fedora.im> #topic pytorch 2.9 looking for arm co-maintainer or dropping arm support
2025-10-09 16:35:32 <@tflink:fedora.im> bah, old habits
2025-10-09 16:35:39 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic pytorch 2.9 looking for arm co-maintainer or dropping arm support
2025-10-09 16:35:51 <@tflink:fedora.im> Tom Rix: this one is yours
2025-10-09 16:36:40 <@trix:fedora.im> 2.9 is coming this week. on list i expressed concern arm would not be tested _again_ 
2025-10-09 16:37:10 <@trix:fedora.im> but also requiring arm hw i don't believe most people would have.
2025-10-09 16:37:58 <@trix:fedora.im> i am working on pytorch_arches macro that will make it easy to drop arm.
2025-10-09 16:38:10 <@trix:fedora.im> anyone interested in arm enough ?
2025-10-09 16:38:42 <@trix:fedora.im> we do have while before f44 branches.
2025-10-09 16:39:43 <@tflink:fedora.im> to make sure I understand before making notes - you're looking for a pytorch comaintainer, specifically for the arm builds. If someone doesn't volunteer to handle the arm builds of pytorch by f44 branch time, you're planning to drop those builds?
2025-10-09 16:40:34 <@trix:fedora.im> i can keep the builds going as long as there isn't a serious problem with the build. atm i dependent on koji to do the build that isn't great.
2025-10-09 16:41:42 <@trix:fedora.im> building torch on a rpi or similar will be frustrating.
2025-10-09 16:41:51 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> FWIW scratch builds in Koji are a lot faster than mock+qemu (after trying to reproduce the build issue yesterday)
2025-10-09 16:42:13 <@tflink:fedora.im> Tom Rix: is available HW the issue or is your time/interest more of the issue?
2025-10-09 16:42:20 <@trix:fedora.im> both.
2025-10-09 16:42:25 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> But my problem is that all my arm hardware is slow, no Apple or Ampere access.
2025-10-09 16:43:07 <@trix:fedora.im> my day job is all x86-64 now, in the past it wasn't.
2025-10-09 16:43:47 <@trix:fedora.im> we can push off this topic if there are no taker. just warning folks.
2025-10-09 16:44:57 <@tflink:fedora.im> draft: current pytorch maintainer does not want to continue maintaining aarch64 builds of pytorch. Unless a co-maintainer for pytorch on arm steps up before f44 branch time, those arm builds will be dropped
2025-10-09 16:45:06 <@tflink:fedora.im> did I capture things well enough?
2025-10-09 16:45:12 <@trix:fedora.im> sounds good.
2025-10-09 16:45:22 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info current pytorch maintainer does not want to continue maintaining aarch64 builds of pytorch. Unless a co-maintainer for pytorch on arm steps up before f44 branch time, those arm builds will be dropped
2025-10-09 16:46:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> ok, it sounds like this topic is done, moving on if that's the case
2025-10-09 16:46:31 <@trix:fedora.im> in a slightly more positive question, if someone what's another torch backend and wants to do the work, i am up to help there too.
2025-10-09 16:47:13 <@trix:fedora.im> we can carry on.
2025-10-09 16:47:16 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic ROCm 7 update
2025-10-09 16:47:56 <@trix:fedora.im> for the most part the stack is rebuild. the outlier is rocm-bandwidth-test, which is so broken its likely to stay borked for a while.
2025-10-09 16:48:33 <@trix:fedora.im> mostly i want to hear what other apps still need love.
2025-10-09 16:48:55 <@trix:fedora.im> torch and ollama still do.
2025-10-09 16:49:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info ROCm 7 update is mostly done in rawhide
2025-10-09 16:49:33 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info please let ROCm maintainers know if there are other apps that still need attention
2025-10-09 16:50:13 <@tflink:fedora.im> I assume that's all for that topic?
2025-10-09 16:50:32 <@trix:fedora.im> yes. 
2025-10-09 16:50:56 <@tflink:fedora.im> cool, thanks for the update
2025-10-09 16:51:02 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic PoCL 7.0 changes; pending PoCL 7.1 update
2025-10-09 16:51:09 <@tflink:fedora.im> Alexander Lent: this one is yours
2025-10-09 16:52:26 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Thanks.
2025-10-09 16:53:27 <@xanderlent:fedora.im>  I've tried to update PoCL to make sure that we're running the tests in Koji as well as align better with upstream (fixing the description, enabling arch-optimization on ppc64le, and building the compiler with GCC)
2025-10-09 16:54:08 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> I've got a few PRs to add various features, as well as to update to the latest 7.1 release against the repo, if anyone would like to take a look and provide feedback.
2025-10-09 16:56:50 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info There are PRs to update PoCL (implementation of OpenCL), run tests in koji and align more closely with upstream. Feedback on these updates is welcome
2025-10-09 16:56:59 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/pocl/pull-requests
2025-10-09 16:57:01 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Specificall, the enhancements pending are
2025-10-09 16:57:01 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - update to latest 7.1 -> this could use feedback due to a new bundled library
2025-10-09 16:57:01 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - SPIR-V support in PoCL -> WIP
2025-10-09 16:57:01 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - restore i686 support -> need to check if test fails are meaningful
2025-10-09 16:57:01 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> - add Level Zero backend (for Intel GPU/NPU) -> depends on SPIR-V, looks straightforward from there
2025-10-09 16:58:24 <@xanderlent:fedora.im> Thanks, that's all for now.
2025-10-09 16:59:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> thanks for the update
2025-10-09 16:59:53 <@tflink:fedora.im> that's all of the topics on the agenda for today, moving on to
2025-10-09 16:59:57 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2025-10-09 17:00:16 <@tflink:fedora.im> any other topics that folks want to bring up??
2025-10-09 17:03:11 <@tflink:fedora.im> I'm going to take silence as a "no" :)
2025-10-09 17:03:17 <@tflink:fedora.im> thanks for coming, everyone
2025-10-09 17:03:32 <@tflink:fedora.im> !endmeeting