2026-06-04 16:31:23 <@tflink:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora AI-ML SIG Meeting
2026-06-04 16:31:23 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-06-04 16:31:23 UTC
2026-06-04 16:31:23 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora AI-ML SIG Meeting'
2026-06-04 16:31:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> !hi
2026-06-04 16:31:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> tflink: Tim Flink (tflink)
2026-06-04 16:31:31 <@cybette:matrix.org> !hi
2026-06-04 16:31:33 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2026-06-04 16:31:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carol Chen: Carol Chen (cybette) - she / her / hers
2026-06-04 16:31:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera: Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2026-06-04 16:33:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi
2026-06-04 16:33:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler: Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his
2026-06-04 16:33:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Finishing another meeting – I'll be full-focused here in-person.
2026-06-04 16:33:21 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> !hi
2026-06-04 16:33:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gordon Messmer: Gordon Messmer (gordonmessmer)
2026-06-04 16:35:13 <@trix:fedora.im> enough folks to get started ?
2026-06-04 16:35:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> ok, let's get the party started
2026-06-04 16:35:22 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic Packaging updates
2026-06-04 16:35:30 <@tflink:fedora.im> Tom Rix: this one's yours
2026-06-04 16:36:01 <@trix:fedora.im> keeping ollama updated. now we are up to 2.23.4 
2026-06-04 16:36:16 <@tflink:fedora.im> in rawhide, right?
2026-06-04 16:36:24 <@trix:fedora.im> reviewing some of the newer integrations. yes in rawhide.
2026-06-04 16:36:31 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info ollama has been updated to 2.23.4 in rawhide
2026-06-04 16:36:42 <@trix:fedora.im> poolside is a dude, it has eula.
2026-06-04 16:36:49 <@trix:fedora.im> looking at droid now.
2026-06-04 16:37:19 <@trix:fedora.im> we have openclaw already.
2026-06-04 16:37:26 <@tflink:fedora.im> a dud? I assume that was a typo. if not, I don't understand what that means
2026-06-04 16:37:36 <@trix:fedora.im> a dud. sorry.
2026-06-04 16:37:50 <@tflink:fedora.im> no worries, just making sure that I wasn't missing something :)
2026-06-04 16:38:17 <@trix:fedora.im> hermes, i got in python-fire. so bare minimum should be buildable now.
2026-06-04 16:38:26 <@trix:fedora.im> i haven't checked.
2026-06-04 16:39:20 <@trix:fedora.im> looked at ghostty , a better than your average tty i think mac uses it. it doesn't build.
2026-06-04 16:39:23 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info progress has been made on packaging hermes, python-fire has been packaged which was the last required bit for a minimum build
2026-06-04 16:40:11 <@trix:fedora.im> the pi agent is sitting in package review. anyone have time for a review ? 
2026-06-04 16:40:32 <@tflink:fedora.im> link to bz?
2026-06-04 16:40:33 <@trix:fedora.im> clawdhub is also.
2026-06-04 16:40:59 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I thought I had time after the last meeting, and I was wrong. I'm sorry about that. I think I have time this cycle, too.
2026-06-04 16:41:08 <@trix:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2464801
2026-06-04 16:41:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info pi-coding-agent is still waiting for review
2026-06-04 16:41:22 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2464801
2026-06-04 16:41:25 <@trix:fedora.im> there is a followon emacs agent-shell uses this.
2026-06-04 16:42:09 <@trix:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2477433
2026-06-04 16:42:21 <@trix:fedora.im> does not strictly need ollama of course.
2026-06-04 16:42:31 <@trix:fedora.im> that's just what i am using.
2026-06-04 16:42:39 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info emacs-agent-shell is also waiting for a review
2026-06-04 16:42:42 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2477433
2026-06-04 16:43:04 <@trix:fedora.im> vim i documented in the wiki.
2026-06-04 16:43:24 <@trix:fedora.im> any other editors folks want to see llm-ed ? 
2026-06-04 16:43:47 <@tflink:fedora.im> the last time I tried doing fancy things with vim (vscode-style language servers), it frustrated me to no end. maybe I'll try again
2026-06-04 16:43:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It is cool, nonetheless
2026-06-04 16:44:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'll probably try out the Vim stuff at some point, when Flock is not eating my brain
2026-06-04 16:44:17 <@tflink:fedora.im> Tom Rix is one of them, AFAIK :)
2026-06-04 16:44:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Gotta scratch that itch!
2026-06-04 16:45:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> TBH, I think it is more Fedora-y anyways to add this sort of integration with full FOSS editors we have long-provided in Fedora than trying to make stuff like VSCode work
2026-06-04 16:45:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I mean, come on Microsoft, what are you paying your engineers for anyways? `/s` 😛 
2026-06-04 16:45:42 <@trix:fedora.im> that's why i ask about other editors. i am covering mine.  it would be good to cover others. just i am not the best one to do that. emacs agent-shell i am using daily now.
2026-06-04 16:45:44 <@tflink:fedora.im> any more updates on this other than a casual "emacs vs. vim" thing that will never be solved?
2026-06-04 16:46:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Sorry, no more off-topic from me, other than a kudos for the ongoing packaging work
2026-06-04 16:46:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I might have cycles in Q3 or Q4 to help out more with package reviews, but for now, I'm observing
2026-06-04 16:47:19 <@trix:fedora.im> ok. any help is appricated. the hold up is going to be package reviews. open source is generating a lot of ai thingies,, i guess using ai makes more thingies possible.
2026-06-04 16:47:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Fighting fire with fire? 😄 
2026-06-04 16:48:22 <@trix:fedora.im> yes. that is why we need more ai in fedora.
2026-06-04 16:48:55 <@trix:fedora.im> so that's it for me.  pi package would be one i am most interested in seeing in.
2026-06-04 16:49:57 <@cybette:matrix.org> is it ok if we do the repo topic next? I have another meeting in 10 min and I think this shouldn't take long
2026-06-04 16:50:19 <@tflink:fedora.im> yeah, we can do that. I was saving it for last to give you more time but now works just as well
2026-06-04 16:50:35 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic  request to create a repo "editorial-guidelines-ramalama" under https://forge.fedoraproject.org/ai-ml/ for the Outreachy internship mini-project
2026-06-04 16:50:45 <@cybette:matrix.org> !info requesting a repo `editorial-guide-ramalama` under https://forge.fedoraproject.org/ai-ml/ for the Outreachy internship, similar to the earlier request for `packaging-guide-ramalama` repo, this one for the PoC mini-project using Fedora magazine and Community blog guidelines (almost ready!)
2026-06-04 16:51:05 <@cybette:matrix.org> please let me know if anyone has objections in creating the repo!
2026-06-04 16:52:00 <@cybette:matrix.org> we'll get the intern to join the meeting sometime and do a demo
2026-06-04 16:52:03 <@tflink:fedora.im> no objections from me
2026-06-04 16:52:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1 from me
2026-06-04 16:53:14 <@cybette:matrix.org> ok thanks! feel free to ping me (or Justin Wheeler ) if y'all have any questions about these projects!
2026-06-04 16:53:18 <@cybette:matrix.org> !action @cybette to create repo `editorial-guide-ramalama`
2026-06-04 16:53:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> In general, I am excited to see more stuff like this land under our umbrella
2026-06-04 16:54:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And FWIW, me, Carol Chen, and Dominik Kawka are working very closely with the intern to help keep a quality standard here too
2026-06-04 16:54:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The idea is that it will have nice local dev environment instructions on how to use it
2026-06-04 16:54:31 <@cybette:matrix.org> that's all, thank you
2026-06-04 16:54:34 <@tflink:fedora.im> sounds good
2026-06-04 16:55:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic Skills library PR from @cverna
2026-06-04 16:55:10 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/ai-ml/skills-library/pulls/2
2026-06-04 16:55:18 <@tflink:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler: this one is yours
2026-06-04 16:55:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I put this on the agenda, but I mostly wanted to raise awareness and see if anyone else wanted to take a look
2026-06-04 16:55:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I have a #TODO to look again at the new changes, but with PTO on Friday and Monday, and then Flock the week after, outlook is not good for a timely response from me
2026-06-04 16:56:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'll get to it, but yeah, really just searching for what people think about this. It has potential to turn into a high-traffic repo as a library, versus a single skill
2026-06-04 16:56:37 <@cybette:matrix.org> I'll help take a look next week after pydata london
2026-06-04 16:56:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !halp Reviewer help wanted for the Skills Library refactor PR from @cverna. @jflory7 intends to look Eventually™ but the timing with Flock coming soon makes it tricky
2026-06-04 16:57:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to cybette during the F44 timeframe
2026-06-04 16:57:29 <@tflink:fedora.im> I have no objection to the rework but I also haven't looked at it very closely. I should do so
2026-06-04 16:57:53 <@tflink:fedora.im> do we want to set a soft deadline for a decision on this so it doesn't languish in "pending" for a month?
2026-06-04 16:58:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 18 June meeting seems reasonable but it could be merged before then if 1 or 2 people have time to take a look
2026-06-04 16:59:52 <@tflink:fedora.im> !agreed decision to be made on this PR on or before the next AI-ML SIG meeting on June 18
2026-06-04 17:00:16 <@tflink:fedora.im> anything else on this today?
2026-06-04 17:00:26 <@dherrera:fedora.im> ✋️
2026-06-04 17:01:32 <@tflink:fedora.im> I'm unclear what the hand emoji means in this context, I assume that it's to hold on for a sec
2026-06-04 17:01:37 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Just a heads up, 've been working on the onnxruntime library now that protobuf is landing on rawhide (suposedly it lands today)
2026-06-04 17:01:45 <@tflink:fedora.im> yep, that's the next topic
2026-06-04 17:01:53 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic  Work started on getting onnxruntime up to date with upstream (1.26.0)
2026-06-04 17:01:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> See ya Carol Chen 👋
2026-06-04 17:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 gave a cookie to dherrera. They now have 33 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 44 release cycle
2026-06-04 17:02:10 <@dherrera:fedora.im> yeah! that :)
2026-06-04 17:02:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Is there a TL;DNR on onnxruntime?
2026-06-04 17:02:35 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I wanted to give a heads up here today cos there are many changes comming with this
2026-06-04 17:02:39 <@tflink:fedora.im> is the protobuf update blocked on anything or is it just stabilizing/testing in COPR?
2026-06-04 17:03:09 <@dherrera:fedora.im> the protobuf blocked the posibility to update to newer versions
2026-06-04 17:03:46 <@dherrera:fedora.im> since newer versions of onnxruntime depended on more modern protobuf tooling that were hard to patch out 
2026-06-04 17:05:00 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I've been working on this since last week, but now it's on a state that can be tested. I still need to land a new dependency on rawhide too, but I already have someone to review that
2026-06-04 17:05:20 <@dherrera:fedora.im> for now I'm testing things on copr://dherrera/onnx-devel
2026-06-04 17:05:50 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info update to onnxruntime is in progress, will bring several updates with it including protobuf
2026-06-04 17:06:12 <@tflink:fedora.im> !info current update progress for rawhide can be seen at copr://dherrera/onnx-devel
2026-06-04 17:06:57 <@dherrera:fedora.im> another thing, I'm considering removing the onnxruntime-rocm subpackage, since upstream changed the way that engines are distributed
2026-06-04 17:07:07 <@dherrera:fedora.im> but I still need to test if their implementation is stable
2026-06-04 17:07:25 <@trix:fedora.im> migraphx 
2026-06-04 17:07:30 <@trix:fedora.im> vs rocm ?
2026-06-04 17:08:16 <@trix:fedora.im> both are still rocm.. but migraphx is the new thing.
2026-06-04 17:08:19 <@dherrera:fedora.im> migraphx is one thing, but this is on how things are packaged, now migraphx would be included with the main onnxruntime package
2026-06-04 17:08:31 <@dherrera:fedora.im> if things work correctly
2026-06-04 17:08:43 <@dherrera:fedora.im> so no subpackage would be needed
2026-06-04 17:09:45 <@trix:fedora.im> ah.. so onnxruntime package would still work for rocm ?
2026-06-04 17:09:51 <@dherrera:fedora.im> 👍️
2026-06-04 17:09:56 <@dherrera:fedora.im> for me that's a priority
2026-06-04 17:10:19 <@trix:fedora.im> groovy. please poke me for testing it.  piper-tts i believe is using onnxruntime now.
2026-06-04 17:10:22 <@dherrera:fedora.im> if I see that things don't work, I'll just deploy things as we always have
2026-06-04 17:10:44 <@dherrera:fedora.im> yeah! lot's of dependencies on this lib right now :D
2026-06-04 17:10:57 <@dherrera:fedora.im> that would be it from me 👍️
2026-06-04 17:11:07 <@trix:fedora.im> sooo many people luv meee it hurts 
2026-06-04 17:11:12 <@tflink:fedora.im> sounds good. thanks for the update and for the work
2026-06-04 17:11:19 <@tflink:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2026-06-04 17:11:30 <@tflink:fedora.im> that's it for the agenda topics today
2026-06-04 17:11:36 <@tflink:fedora.im> anything else that folks want to bring up?
2026-06-04 17:11:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> /me wonders if [@gordonmessmer:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@gordonmessmer:fedora.im) wanted to chat AI Developer Desktop since he is here 
2026-06-04 17:12:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think we chatted a bit about it last time but deferred some since he wasn't here 
2026-06-04 17:12:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> My memory is a Flock-sized fog
2026-06-04 17:12:46 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I thought there would be an update after the last council meeting but I don't think it was discussed.
2026-06-04 17:13:10 <@tflink:fedora.im> planned/stated
2026-06-04 17:13:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If I remember right, we had spent some time thinking about how the AI/ML SIG could be a stakeholder, officially 
2026-06-04 17:13:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It's funny how two weeks ago can feel like two months sometimes 
2026-06-04 17:14:04 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> yeah, I don't know about the status of the initiative per se, but work on individual items is going ahead. I have a list of people who were interested in various specifics.
2026-06-04 17:14:34 <@tflink:fedora.im> should the SIG be a stakeholder? I suppose I should have read through the logs from the last meeting from when I was on vacation
2026-06-04 17:15:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> [@gordonmessmer:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@gordonmessmer:fedora.im) On the Council side, I know Aoife was working on an official reply with some thoughts on the Initiative process as a whole, but I think that will come later. We were going to chat with you but there's been a lot of other stuff going on. It's in mind though 
2026-06-04 17:15:58 <@trix:fedora.im> i think at the least the sig should not be surprised with these initiatives and this meeting is a good place to discuss them _before_ they are public.
2026-06-04 17:15:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let me see what I can unearth
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There is a strong consensus that the SIG should be a venue for discussing new AI-related ideas before they are made public.
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The group discussed the recent "Fedora AI Developer Desktop" proposal, noting that it was not presented well to key stakeholders.
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> AI/ML SIG's Role as a Stakeholder:
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The SIG should be a formal stakeholder in the AI Developer Desktop work, and this will be discussed with the proposal author in a future meeting.
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The SIG's documentation needs improvement. A plan to migrate relevant content from the Wiki to the official Fedora Docs site will be discussed at the next meeting.
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:16:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:16:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting-2_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2026-05-21/fedora-ai-ml-sig.2026-05-21-16.30.html
2026-06-04 17:17:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Erm, I think the AI summary feels a bit aggro there, but I guess that's the basis of what we talked about last time 
2026-06-04 17:17:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Something something, Docs 
2026-06-04 17:17:35 <@tflink:fedora.im> yeah, I found Carol Chen's post in discourse with the meeting minutes, summary etc.
2026-06-04 17:17:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Superb, I forgot about that too 
2026-06-04 17:17:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Link? 
2026-06-04 17:18:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-ai-ml-sig-meeting-2026-05-21/192137
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> @jflory7 & @cybette: Create a draft of a “Getting Involved” page for the AI/ML SIG section on the Fedora Docs site before the next meeting.
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> AI/ML SIG: Revisit the topic of separating content between the Fedora Docs site and the Wiki in the next meeting.
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I guess this makes sense in retrospect, but since the SIG operates in public, the idea that it should be discussed in the SIG before "in public" is a little odd.
2026-06-04 17:18:50 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> > There is a strong consensus that the SIG should be a venue for discussing new AI-related ideas before they are made public.
2026-06-04 17:19:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ooohhhh yeah the action item I totally didn't follow up on yet 😅 
2026-06-04 17:19:15 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I guess this makes sense in retrospect, but since the SIG operates in public, the idea that it should be discussed in the SIG before "in public" is a little odd.
2026-06-04 17:19:15 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> > There is a strong consensus that the SIG should be a venue for discussing new AI-related ideas before they are made public.
2026-06-04 17:19:15 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:19:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This feels like an AI-ism, I think we just meant here as a starting place 
2026-06-04 17:19:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We have no secret cigar smoke-filled backroom 😝 
2026-06-04 17:20:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !action @jflory7 & @cybette: Create a draft of a “Getting Involved” page for the AI/ML SIG section on the Fedora Docs site before the next meeting.
2026-06-04 17:20:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Putting that down again so it doesn't get lost, because it is important but Carol and I have both been super busy 
2026-06-04 17:20:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And it is sort of related to all of this business about the AI Developer Desktop too 
2026-06-04 17:20:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We don't yet have a great "front door" to the SIG yet 
2026-06-04 17:22:04 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Fedora has a lot of discussion channels, including at least mailing lists, Matrix, and Discussions. I think it would be good if documented processes specified where conversations should start, because I'm not aware of any status of any of those channels as the correct place for a conversation to start.
2026-06-04 17:22:15 <@tflink:fedora.im> that reminds me that I need to follow up on something that was mentioned in the first thread while I was away. will get to that after the meeting
2026-06-04 17:22:59 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> there are mailing list people who are unhappy that the conversation didn't start on mailing lists, etc.
2026-06-04 17:23:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think as an interim thing though, I don't think people would be opposed to you engaging and planning work here in tickets and getting feedback from us though 
2026-06-04 17:23:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 
2026-06-04 17:23:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is totally valid, and it feels more like a thing for the Council / project governance to address. That's not on you
2026-06-04 17:23:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, those people will always exist no matter what you do 😝 
2026-06-04 17:23:19 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> Sincerely: I'm sorry that I didn't' start the conversation here. I apologize.
2026-06-04 17:23:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It's our fault for deciding it was ever a good idea to launch Discourse without an idea of what would happen to mailing lists 
2026-06-04 17:23:49 <@tflink:fedora.im> that's a long brewing issue, IMHO. the whole discourse vs. mailing list debate isn't new, unfortunately
2026-06-04 17:23:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (our meaning governance, again) 
2026-06-04 17:24:25 <@tflink:fedora.im> I was told that discourse was going to replace the mailing lists gradually. has that changed?
2026-06-04 17:24:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I don't think anyone was really peeved, I think the intent was to offer this as a home for you to collaborate and do the actual technical work you are mapping out 
2026-06-04 17:24:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> One Day™
2026-06-04 17:24:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Soon™
2026-06-04 17:24:43 <@trix:fedora.im> i would rather not ask an obvious . 'How does this NEW thing, fit into the OLD thing ?' in the most public place. that is part of talking with the stakeholder before, else lots of awkward questions.
2026-06-04 17:26:02 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I dislike the idea that any place is more public than any other
2026-06-04 17:26:37 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> the place the conversation is happening is the right place to ask questions
2026-06-04 17:26:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The challenge is that some places get a lot more heat and light than others, which is unfortunately what happened to you going the route as an Initiative, which is also what you were specifically guided to do by those in leadership roles 
2026-06-04 17:27:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think this SIG could be a good place to shape the ideas and get feedback from people who are deeper in the space 
2026-06-04 17:27:48 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> yes, in retrospect, I agree
2026-06-04 17:27:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm not sure if there is a concrete action here or not, but I think the intent was to offer this space as a collaborative, less-visible place to shape ideas before inviting the whole world for feedback (which again, is not your fault, it is a fault of governance) 
2026-06-04 17:29:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Like, maybe we could have a standing topic in the agenda for this work, maybe 
2026-06-04 17:30:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Or a Forgejo milestone in our ticket tracker 
2026-06-04 17:30:11 <@tflink:fedora.im> I wasn't going to bring this up here but since we're going this route, fine. My criticism of that proposal was not that I thought the SIG should gatekeep anything related to AI but when a member/participant doesn't even mention it in matrix comes across as a pretty clear message of at least non-interest about input from that SIG. It's definitely not the council's responsibility to seek out existing entities for consultation, at a minimum
2026-06-04 17:30:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Just throwing out some ideas. 
2026-06-04 17:30:48 <@tflink:fedora.im> but the discussion has more or less died down, for now at least
2026-06-04 17:31:30 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I'm sorry that I didn't start the conversation here. I'm not disinterested in the SIG's input. I thought the SIG members would offer their input in the discussion thread. I see that I made a mistake, and I'm sorry about that.
2026-06-04 17:31:35 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> I apologize, again.
2026-06-04 17:31:36 <@tflink:fedora.im> especially when a core tenant of the proposal was around the community
2026-06-04 17:31:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think this is a constructive point on how we can make the SIG a better place for stuff like this. That's why I think we talked about new "get involved" docs two weeks ago, because it isn't really obvious today 
2026-06-04 17:32:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am really keen to help with this kind of work, I just have to get through Flock to spend more cycles on it. I think we can get to a better place on all sides for this. I don't read bad intent from anyone in this situation 
2026-06-04 17:32:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Just lots of confusion and process burden making things messy 
2026-06-04 17:33:08 <@tflink:fedora.im> it is what it is. I'm not trying to make this into a "you must eternally apologize for things" kind of bit
2026-06-04 17:33:36 <@tflink:fedora.im> the discussion on discourse seemed to go to a point where nothing new was being said so it should remain at steady state for a while
2026-06-04 17:34:14 <@tflink:fedora.im> the fact that "AI" means different things to different people and provokes emotional responses doesn't help
2026-06-04 17:34:34 <@tflink:fedora.im> anyhow, we're drifting pretty far and we're over time unless we want to farther rehash this
2026-06-04 17:34:57 <@tflink:fedora.im> anything else before we close out the meeting and move back to #ai-ml:fedoraproject.org ?
2026-06-04 17:35:06 <@gordonmessmer:fedora.im> yeah, I have another call scheduled just now
2026-06-04 17:35:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let's keep this conversation going! 
2026-06-04 17:35:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think we all want this to succeed 
2026-06-04 17:35:26 <@trix:fedora.im> its good to close out with matrix channel is place to stuffff
2026-06-04 17:35:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks for chairing today [@tflink:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@tflink:fedora.im) 
2026-06-04 17:35:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'll see y'all next time 👋🏻 
2026-06-04 17:35:48 <@tflink:fedora.im> ok. thanks for coming everyone
2026-06-04 17:35:56 <@tflink:fedora.im> next meeting will be in 2 weeks on June 18
2026-06-04 17:36:07 <@tflink:fedora.im> !endmeeting