<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:10
!startmeeting RELENG (2025-01-06)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:12
Meeting started at 2025-01-06 16:00:10 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:12
The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-01-06)'
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:19
!info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:19
!chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:19
!info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:19
!meetingname releng
<@smilner:fedora.im>
16:00:20
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:21
None (smilner)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:22
The Meeting Name is now releng
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:00:47
Welcome to the first releng meeting of 2025. I hope everyone had a good time in December.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:01:32
morning
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:02:18
Hope everyone had a great holiday season...
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:04:21
better than great😅
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:05:22
Should we wait a bit more for Samyak? I had a 1:1 with him earlier today and I think he said he'd join, perhaps it has to do with the one hour shift of the meeting time. Let me ping him on Slack.
<@leo:fedora.im>
16:06:05
morning
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:29
hello
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:30
sorry
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:37
I thought the meeting is in an hour
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:40
:(
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:43
how's everyone doing?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:08:51
Happy new year! 💓
<@smilner:fedora.im>
16:09:27
Happy new year!
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:09:29
👋 yeah, we moved the meeting around a bit...
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:09:43
hehehe good for me :D
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:09:44
Do we keep this meeting time then? Does it work for both of you guys? (for Czech timezone either time works)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:09:58
an hour later would be better for me, but not others, so... I'm fine keeping it here
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:10:25
9:30/10:30 pm doesn't do much of a difference so I'm fine with any also
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:10:27
hehe
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:10:31
(but I do have to go feed cats in the middle for a bit)
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:10:56
let's start?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:11:00
Alright let's start with the init process then.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:11:04
💀💀
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:11:04
Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:11:04
!topic Init process.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:11:43
I have two things to bring up for everyone attention!
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:12:35
First, while going to issue tracker and triaging the issues I came accross a community request, where people want to send the compose reports to a new mailing list - instead of devel
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:13:04
yep. There was a thread about it on devel...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:13:08
(again)
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:13:13
this request makes sense to me, as it was pointed the functionality to search get affected because of these regular reports \
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:13:20
👀
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:13:23
!releng 12511
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:13:25
● **Opened:** a week ago by supakeen
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:13:25
● **Assignee:** jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:13:25
**releng #12511** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12511):**Send compose reports to a to-be-created separate ML**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:13:25
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:13:25
● **Last Updated:** 9 hours ago
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:14:02
yeah, it's come up several times before...
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:14:22
was there any specific reason we didnt do it before?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:14:27
I didn't want them to propose it, have 3 people say sure and implement it over the holidays before everyone else was back.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:14:52
well, in the past it was helpful to be able to comment on specific parts of the report back to the list.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:14:53
that makes sense^
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:15:21
but that isn't happening too much these days, and you could still do that from another list post I guess.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:15:36
absolutely
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:16:06
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DB7I4GXTYGJAAIJBJMQUQ4WRX3XHHGAD/ is the current thread
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:16:55
anyhow, IMHO, we should wait and see if anyone else chimes in since people should be back from holidays...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:17:04
and then act like next week?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:17:36
as a side note, we shoudl not make a new list. We should just tell people to subscribe to the existing test-reports list that already has these and just stop sending to devel. ;)
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:17:36
yep I can keep an eye on this
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:18:22
sounds good.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:19:56
what the second thing jnsamyak ?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:20:33
oh yes, we have lots of 42 changes incoming, I'll take in the ticket sections
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:21:22
Next section then? I'm never sure when someone is actually typing something.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:21:29
1 thing I also would like to mention
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:22:12
that's it from my side on the init process, btw patrikp and I had a 1:1 today, and he had made progress with the koji runroot (with the setup and how to use it) wer discussed that we should test the command in a side tag to test if the composing is done as expected, what do you all think about that? And patrikp do you want to add anything else?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:22:34
Nope, that's about it.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:22:56
but maybe its better to move on openfloor section of meeting, its connected with issue that a lot of people facing after updating to the fedora 41
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:23:47
lets move on, i will return to it at the end
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:24:50
It shows me that Kevin is still typing, anything to add or shall we move on?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:25:17
I was typing in another window. ;) so no, nothing from me...
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:24
Alright, moving on then!
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:33
!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-releng-tasks.html
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:33
!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-41/f-41-releng-tasks.html
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:33
!info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:33
!topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:25:53
!info Mass rebuild of RPMs will happen next week, Wednesday, January 15th.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:26:25
we should ping changes that want mass rebuild and make sure they are ready
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:26:57
!link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/release_guide/mass_rebuild/
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:27:33
perhaps a mass rebuild tracking ticket and cc folks to say they are ready? (is that how we did it last time?)
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:27:33
It says that the rebuild has to be approved by FESCo.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:28:06
mass rebuilding is already here hehe
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:28:09
time flies
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:28:52
yep. And I know there are some approved changes that need a mass rebuild (as usual)
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:29:17
Yes, we had a ticket for that.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:29:23
!releng 12195
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
● **Opened:** 6 months ago by jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
● **Assignee:** jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
● **Last Updated:** 6 months ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
● **Closed: Fixed** 6 months ago by jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:25
**releng #12195** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12195):**Fedora 41 Mass Rebuild Tracker**
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:29:37
yes, we have tickets, and I can create a same tracker for F42
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:30:08
I needed to test the script, so i can add a retry logic :( Let's see if I can do it this week
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:30:47
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNUToolchainF42 at least... I think there's a number needing processing which should happen now that we are back...
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:31:11
Let's move to the next section then and look at the tickets?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:31:23
aye aye'
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:31:39
!info This is the time where you can bring up releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers, etc.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:31:39
!topic Tickets that need attention.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:33:01
how are you guys doing this status message? xdd like *amedvede asking how are you doing status message
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:33:24
wdym?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:33:48
ohhh this `/me`
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:33:52
starts with /me
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:34:03
yeah, let me try
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:34:28
hehe new year gift to you - owe me a coffee :D
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:34:30
oooh great
<@smilner:fedora.im>
16:34:30
It's a ye ol' IRC commandde
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:35:06
ok for tickets! I want to discuss changes first
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:35:09
!link https://pagure.io/releng/issues?tags=changes&status=Open
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:35:39
!releng 12507
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:41
● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:41
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:41
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:41
● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by salimma
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:41
**releng #12507** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12507):**F42 self-contained change: Django 5.x**
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:36:34
I dont think there is any releng impact here
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:36:58
and we can ask them to reture the packages if required by contacting the maintainers directly
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:37:10
so close?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:38:02
Wow, Fedora really is bleeding edge.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:38:27
and we can ask them to retire the packages if required by contacting the maintainers directly
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:39:06
moving on
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:39:11
!releng 12506
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:39:12
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:39:12
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:39:12
● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:39:12
● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by salimma
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:39:12
**releng #12506** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12506):**F42 system-wide change: protobuf 5.x/6.x**
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:40:55
similarly, for this^ I'll ask them to reach out in case they need a side-tag etc, otherwise neither rebuilding/branching should get affected because of this
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:42:07
so close? Any sugesstions?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:43:27
yeah. +1 on both those.
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
16:43:37
👍️ from me
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:44:08
!releng 12485
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:10
**releng #12485** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12485):**F42 Self-Contained Change: Replace SDL 2 with sdl2-compat using SDL 3**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:10
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:10
● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:10
● **Last Updated:** a minute ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:10
● **Assignee:** jnsamyak
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:44:27
ditto.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:44:40
I went through the proposal this morning, and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDL2onSDL3 here and have similar thoughts
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:44:44
correct
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:45:11
!releng 12455
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:12
● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:12
● **Last Updated:** a month ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:12
● **Assignee:** jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:12
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:12
**releng #12455** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12455):**F42 Self-Contained Change: LXQt 2.1**
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:45:26
and i have same opinion
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:45:52
yep.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:45:55
!releng 12299
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:58
**releng #12299** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12299):**Impact check for Changes/FEX**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:58
● **Assignee:** jnsamyak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:58
● **Last Updated:** 3 months ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:58
● **Opened:** 4 months ago by dcavalca
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:45:58
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:46:09
btw I'm not sure if this is accepted by fesco
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:46:11
yet
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:46:54
yes, it is.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:46:59
ohh sorry it got landed in rawhide: https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/83
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:46:59
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3273
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:47:05
yep
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:47:26
but I think we can close that anyhow, as it's done?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:47:33
okay so question because, I think it might require some of our work
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:48:09
at time of branching, we do add new artifacts to robosignatory right? Like onyx, serceia etxc
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:48:36
so that the compose get signed by the rawhide key (f42) in this case
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:48:39
I don't think we are signing these?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:49:33
dumb question incoming - how do we decide which artifacts should get signed?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:49:53
or does this come as part of the request?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:50:17
well, we sign the atomic things refs... we don't sign isos or the like (but we do sign the checksum files of them)
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:50:55
that answers
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:51:11
so I guess I would say we sign what we can... unless someone asks for more and helps us implement it. ;)
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:51:31
yep
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:52:19
!releng 12098
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:52:20
● **Opened:** 8 months ago by jwhimpel
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:52:20
● **Assignee:** patrikp
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:52:20
● **Last Updated:** 6 months ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:52:20
**releng #12098** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12098):** Renaming distribution media for Fedora Server**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:52:20
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:52:26
Any updates on this?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:52:34
Things are kinda silent here :)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:54:00
There was a bit of related talk due to moving one of the server images to kiwi... but I would have to go refresh myself on tickets to see if we ended up changing any names there.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:54:25
i dont think we did, but yes need to do the same
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:54:45
patrikp: did they reached out about this with some changes?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:55:01
Not that I know of.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:55:13
can you ask and follow up in the ticket once, just to be sure?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:55:58
good time to check in after the holidays.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:56:07
And ask what?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:56:13
I stumbled into one of their meetings a while ago.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:56:40
I think the latest update was that they would prefer releng to take the lead on this, I'm not sure if they looked into it any more in terms of investigation.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:57:31
then perhaps we should start looking at what changes are possible/how to make them?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:57:52
can you confirm if they were planning to go with the kiwi way of building it, and if they went ahead with it?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
16:57:54
Perhaps a naive question but wouldn't this become clearer should the move to Konflux happen?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:58:37
konflux is a long way imho, nirik might know better
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
16:59:25
yeah, unclear really... but not early this year for sure. Possibly later this year/43?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
16:59:40
🙇
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:00:09
but patrikp please follow up on this and see what's the expectations/progress is on this
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:00:54
because I'm unware about the releng intervention here, last time i thought we were doing our own investigation just to be on a upperhand if they come to us with the request
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:01:09
Nobody knows how to do it in a nutshell.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:01:13
but i think the things will be clearer with the communication
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:38
well, there's no one simple way... different images are made by different tools.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:51
so you have to look at whats possible with that tool and then see how
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:02:11
moving more to kiwi should help, because then less tools. ;)
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:02:45
Yeah. And to be clear they are not even close to opening a change proposal. It was a preliminary investigation to see if we could give them an answer about how to do it so that they could then move onto the proposal.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:02:51
Anton Medvedev: what are the things you are working on? Can you colloborate with patrikp on this?
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:03:21
that explains, we should remove the f42 tag from the ticket meanwhile
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:03:36
in case the change is not filed yet
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:03:46
It's not nor will it be any time soon...
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:04:48
Also they are aware that the best way to communicate with us is through that ticket.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:04:50
I think they want it changed, but don't know how...
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:05:04
but let's not loose our investigation atleast, if they come to us last minute, because like these we have lot of old tickets that are not traige, if we know a way on how to do it, we can act forward
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:05:05
anyhow, we are over time I guess?
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:05:06
Exactly.
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:05:34
aha time
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:05:42
!info Next chair Jan 13th: ???
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:05:42
!topic Choose next chair.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:05:49
Any takers? (if not I can take it)
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
17:06:17
I would like to take it
<@amedvede:fedora.im>
17:06:22
))
<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>
17:06:29
awesome you beat me to it
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:06:37
!info Next chair Jan 13th: Anton
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:06:52
Skipping open floor then.
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:06:59
!endmeeting
<@patrikp:matrix.org>
17:06:59
!info Thank you all for coming!