2025-02-10 16:01:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2025-02-10)

2025-02-10 16:01:42 <@smilner:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-10 16:01:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-10 16:01:40 UTC
2025-02-10 16:01:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-02-10)'
2025-02-10 16:01:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (smilner)
2025-02-10 16:01:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2025-02-10 16:01:47 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Good evening.
2025-02-10 16:01:48 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2025-02-10 16:01:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
2025-02-10 16:02:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops.
2025-02-10 16:02:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
2025-02-10 16:02:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> How's everyone doing today, it's mondayy!
2025-02-10 16:03:01 <@smilner:fedora.im> Not bad ... tired. How about y'all?
2025-02-10 16:03:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I'm baking some lasagna to lessen the pain.
2025-02-10 16:03:21 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> aye nom nom
2025-02-10 16:03:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-02-10 16:03:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so many people, let's start :3
2025-02-10 16:03:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Init process.
2025-02-10 16:04:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
2025-02-10 16:04:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> For this I wanted to bring up some tickets apart from the mass branching status that it was completed
2025-02-10 16:04:41 <@farchord:fedora.im> Classic lasagna? i.e. ground beef, cheese, tomato sauce?
2025-02-10 16:04:47 <@farchord:fedora.im> Sorry didnt mean to derail.
2025-02-10 16:05:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> haha we want to knowww as welllll
2025-02-10 16:06:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yeah, meat sauce, bechamel, topped with shredded parmesan.
2025-02-10 16:06:41 <@farchord:fedora.im> Maaan, that's gonna be good...
2025-02-10 16:06:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> you are making me hungry. ;)
2025-02-10 16:06:44 <@amedvede:fedora.im> Hey 
2025-02-10 16:06:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> lmao
2025-02-10 16:07:12 <@farchord:fedora.im> Now I gotta last another hour or so
2025-02-10 16:07:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> For the starting, just a headsup, from my conversation from the epel folks, they will be trying to do a epel mass rbanching on staging today, and for the questions etc, they will be discussing things on releng channel - they opened a ticket to have everything synced, from which koji is done and bodhi will be done today 
2025-02-10 16:07:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> For the starting, just a headsup, from my conversation from the epel folks, they will be trying to do a epel mass banching on staging today, and for the questions etc, they will be discussing things on releng channel - they opened a ticket to have everything synced, from which koji is done and bodhi will be done today 
2025-02-10 16:08:25 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I think Carl said they would postpone to tomorrow.
2025-02-10 16:09:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Ohhh, I haven't checked the channel yet, but i see diego already typinh 
2025-02-10 16:09:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hello hellpo
2025-02-10 16:09:10 <@dherrera:fedora.im> yeah, we are working on other preps for this tho :)
2025-02-10 16:09:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> if you need anything from us please shoot it our way
2025-02-10 16:09:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Another thing, that I want to disuss is Kinoite issue 
2025-02-10 16:10:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12565
2025-02-10 16:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-10 16:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago
2025-02-10 16:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 days ago by siosm
2025-02-10 16:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-10 16:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12565** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12565):**Fedora Kinoite Rawhide aarch64 builds failing since 2025-01-31**
2025-02-10 16:11:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I didnt see any such changes in pungi that would directly affect this
2025-02-10 16:13:03 <@smilner:fedora.im> Could it be a change in rpm-ostree or a missing commit, etc?
2025-02-10 16:13:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, the problem is a bit unclear to me... is it that the file is actually missing and should be there? or that ostree is looking for the wrong file? or ?
2025-02-10 16:14:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> The former
2025-02-10 16:14:31 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Last time it happened it was before the mass branching looks like. The linked, older issue is from August 2 and the schedule for f41 shows mass branching was on August 13.
2025-02-10 16:14:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I.e. it wasn't caused by mass branching last time, maybe.
2025-02-10 16:15:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yep 
2025-02-10 16:15:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> it is nothing to do with branching from my opinion 
2025-02-10 16:15:28 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> it has nothing to do with branching from my opinion 
2025-02-10 16:16:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, do we know if this file once existed? we could look for it in snapshots I suppose, but that doesn't explain why it would have been removed.
2025-02-10 16:17:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I wanted to ask one thing, while I was debugging about the repo, I wanted to run ostree fsck to check it's consistency/integrity; but what would be the right place to run it?
2025-02-10 16:18:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes and yes 
2025-02-10 16:19:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> one of the koji hubs I suppose...
2025-02-10 16:19:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> doesn't seem like it has a 'dry-run' option, which makes me nervous
2025-02-10 16:20:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah that's why i wanted to make sure before jumping right at it
2025-02-10 16:21:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> okay we can continue this in the later section of open floor
2025-02-10 16:21:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> anything else for init?
2025-02-10 16:22:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> - let's do a retro on a call preferaably google meets to capture thoughts concerns etc
2025-02-10 16:22:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Just one quick thing in regards for mass branching retro, I had two thing in minds
2025-02-10 16:22:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> - or let's do in the next call here as a seprate topic
2025-02-10 16:23:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Any preferences?
2025-02-10 16:23:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> VOTE A || B
2025-02-10 16:23:17 <@patrikp:matrix.org> B
2025-02-10 16:23:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> B I think is better...
2025-02-10 16:24:05 <@amedvede:fedora.im> for me A, but we can talk about it in our 1:1
2025-02-10 16:24:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> reminds me. I found another thing for the retro doc... we need to set 'noarch_arches' on the newly branched fN-build tag. Should be added to the script that creates the koji tags, etc.
2025-02-10 16:24:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll add to that
2025-02-10 16:25:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks!
2025-02-10 16:25:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so B wins with 2/3 votes, I'll add a seprate topic for retro next week then, I'm capturing most of the things in one place, and making sure to get the updated docs before that, okay then let's move on
2025-02-10 16:26:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's great to do this while it's all still fresh.
2025-02-10 16:26:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1
2025-02-10 16:26:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> you mean now? or next week is okay?
2025-02-10 16:27:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I just wanted to prepare a quick retro board before I do it, with possible action items and quick fixes
2025-02-10 16:28:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> next week is fine, I just meant not waiting months until we forget why something was added. ;)
2025-02-10 16:28:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hahaha yes, dont worry captain, I'll make sure of that
2025-02-10 16:29:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
2025-02-10 16:29:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
2025-02-10 16:29:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-releng-tasks.html
2025-02-10 16:29:47 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Beta freeze next week.
2025-02-10 16:30:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> We Retire FTI packages in NEW state scheduled which usually miro does it, and beta freeze is scheduled for next week
2025-02-10 16:30:21 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> We have Retire FTI packages in NEW state scheduled which usually miro does it, and beta freeze is scheduled for next week
2025-02-10 16:30:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sheesh... already?
2025-02-10 16:30:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Does the freeze have to be approved by FESCo?
2025-02-10 16:30:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hahahaha time is running? No! it's flying!!!!
2025-02-10 16:31:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nope, it's part of the schedule... it's already set
2025-02-10 16:31:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Beta releases are the one which fesco put there stamp along with QA folks, after considering all the changes etc but nothing to do with freeze it's already decided and fixed
2025-02-10 16:32:07 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> until unless there is a big shift in the process
2025-02-10 16:32:19 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Only release go/no go meetings need approval? All else is part of the schedule?
2025-02-10 16:32:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> by beta releases i mean selecting rcs etc
2025-02-10 16:33:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> The meetings themselves don't need approval, I meant that the decision is given in the meeting. GO/NOGO
2025-02-10 16:33:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah
2025-02-10 16:33:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for beta and final 
2025-02-10 16:33:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for both beta and final 
2025-02-10 16:33:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Anything else for this section or we move on?
2025-02-10 16:34:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Tickets that need attention.
2025-02-10 16:35:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/releng/issues
2025-02-10 16:35:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info This is the time where you can bring up releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers, etc.
2025-02-10 16:38:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> seems like we dont have anything to discuss for tickets?
2025-02-10 16:38:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Any blockers etc?
2025-02-10 16:38:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Maybe we can go back to the ticket you talked about before.
2025-02-10 16:39:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !releng 12565
2025-02-10 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago
2025-02-10 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-10 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12565** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12565):**Fedora Kinoite Rawhide aarch64 builds failing since 2025-01-31**
2025-02-10 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 days ago by siosm
2025-02-10 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-10 16:40:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah this I have kept for last 15 min of open floor, I want to take this time for quick backlog review
2025-02-10 16:40:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12567
2025-02-10 16:40:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-10 16:40:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-10 16:40:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** an hour ago
2025-02-10 16:40:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12567** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12567):**Install gstreamer1-plugin-dav1d on DEs that use Gstreamer by default (Gnome etc)**
2025-02-10 16:40:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 3 days ago by treba
2025-02-10 16:40:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> We can close this issue, it's already been tracked in different tracker
2025-02-10 16:40:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> +1 close
2025-02-10 16:41:40 <@patrikp:matrix.org> The PR is already merged.
2025-02-10 16:41:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12558
2025-02-10 16:41:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-10 16:41:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2025-02-10 16:41:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12558** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12558):**Grant ELN automation privilege to build "secure boot" packages**
2025-02-10 16:41:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-10 16:41:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by sgallagh
2025-02-10 16:42:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: how can this be fulfilled? DO we need to ping people for there +1s? 
2025-02-10 16:44:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I was waiting to hear from pjones...
2025-02-10 16:44:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can try asking internally too
2025-02-10 16:45:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> sure, but what's the process? such process is new to me
2025-02-10 16:45:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> okay we will take it after this one, since 15 min marker is already up
2025-02-10 16:46:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> It's mostly to get a few acks from people in the group... there's considerations about if this could cause some problem and cause MS to revoke everything we have.
2025-02-10 16:46:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I think he meant where to add the account?
2025-02-10 16:46:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's a pretty sensitive area. I think this request is probibly fine since no one is changing anything, just rebuilding existing commits
2025-02-10 16:46:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ohhhhh.. misunderstood then, sorry
2025-02-10 16:46:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I.e. if it's approved by others.
2025-02-10 16:47:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's the 'secure-boot' permission in koji. so add people by 'koji grant-permission secure-boot <theiraccount>'
2025-02-10 16:48:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> oh makes sense 
2025-02-10 16:48:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks
2025-02-10 16:48:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> let's go back 
2025-02-10 16:48:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12565
2025-02-10 16:48:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago
2025-02-10 16:48:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12565** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12565):**Fedora Kinoite Rawhide aarch64 builds failing since 2025-01-31**
2025-02-10 16:48:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-10 16:48:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 days ago by siosm
2025-02-10 16:48:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-10 16:49:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, I looked back in the oldest snapshots and I couldn't find that file either. I suppose it's possible it was added and removed in a short window?
2025-02-10 16:49:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> not sure, can you add it as a comment there please maybe we can have more clarity there
2025-02-10 16:50:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, or perhaps I was looking in the wrong place, not clear
2025-02-10 16:50:47 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Where did you look?
2025-02-10 16:51:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I enabled snapdirs and now you can go to /mnt/fedora_koji/koji/ostree/.snapshot/ or /mnt/fedora_koji/koji/compose/ostree/.snapshot/ and see them
2025-02-10 16:53:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, if someone would like to look more deeply, please feel free. ;)
2025-02-10 16:53:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks for looking into it
2025-02-10 16:53:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I think we are almost in time for next topic, unless someone has something to discuss?
2025-02-10 16:54:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Choose next chair.
2025-02-10 16:54:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Next chair Feb 17: ????
2025-02-10 16:54:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Any volunteers for next week?
2025-02-10 16:54:56 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I should be here, I can take it. 🖐️
2025-02-10 16:55:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Sure thanks. 
2025-02-10 16:55:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Choose next chair.
2025-02-10 16:55:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Next chair Feb 17: patrikp
2025-02-10 16:55:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Discussion / Any other business.
2025-02-10 16:55:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Open floor, if folks want anything to bring up
2025-02-10 16:55:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Cooking?
2025-02-10 16:55:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> is your lasagna ready!!!
2025-02-10 16:56:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'm gonna go to bed, I need to fix my sleep schedule
2025-02-10 16:56:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> lol
2025-02-10 16:56:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> FYI, I've got some PTO coming up. Will mark my calendar and try and note it when they are comign. :) just some random days to use my last years...
2025-02-10 16:56:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I will also be on PTO at the end of the month for like a week.
2025-02-10 16:56:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Specific date is not yet known.
2025-02-10 16:56:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> And I need to get a new chair, and please a good ergonomic one this time; my shoulder already have started to show sign of cervical
2025-02-10 16:57:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Wooyhooooo!
2025-02-10 16:57:31 <@patrikp:matrix.org> That one's easy. Don't fall for the gimmicks, get a Herman Miller one if you can afford it. Pricey but it'll last you 10+ years.
2025-02-10 16:57:34 <@farchord:fedora.im> SecretLabs. Love it.
2025-02-10 16:57:52 <@amedvede:fedora.im> ohh, write a review after buy, I also need it
2025-02-10 16:57:56 <@patrikp:matrix.org> In my *humble* opinion there is nothing ergonomic about SecretLab chairs.
2025-02-10 16:58:01 <@farchord:fedora.im> I use a lumbar pillow, and love it
2025-02-10 16:58:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I need to really look into it, since this one i got from a local vendor has just f me up 
2025-02-10 16:58:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> XD
2025-02-10 16:58:39 <@farchord:fedora.im> Maybe. But I'm a big guy. Getting a good chair that can handle my weight is... difficult
2025-02-10 16:59:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> How big? Herman Miller said that they're intentionally for 90% of the population so they can't support the real outliers but an Embody can seat a 100 kg person comfortably.
2025-02-10 16:59:55 <@amedvede:fedora.im> do you know where guys form coreos can be found?
2025-02-10 17:00:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in #coreos:fedoraproject.org :)
2025-02-10 17:01:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hmmm
2025-02-10 17:01:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Kevin do you work on a laptop? Or how does that setup work?
2025-02-10 17:01:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> too many options
2025-02-10 17:02:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> okay time check - I'll close it in next minute
2025-02-10 17:02:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> We can take this to releng channel :)
2025-02-10 17:02:28 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Thanks for the good discussions folks, it was really nice to see all of you! See you all in the next one 
2025-02-10 17:02:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming!
2025-02-10 17:02:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Thanks for hosting, good fortune to all.
2025-02-10 17:02:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !endmeeting