#meeting-3:fedoraproject.org log

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:01

!startmeeting RELENG (2025-04-28)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:05

Meeting started at 2025-04-28 15:00:01 UTC

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15:00:05

The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-04-28)'

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:11

!meetingname releng

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:11

!info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:11

!info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:11

!chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede

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15:00:12

The Meeting Name is now releng

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:36

Hello to all. 👋

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:03:52

Hey I’m here in and out but will be fully here in 15 at dinner currently

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:04:26

Sure, we're waiting for Kevin anyway. Chew properly and don't rush it.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:04:28

It was Anton turn, he pinged me to assign the next meeting to him fyi^

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:04:44

Hehehe leftovers

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:05:01

I should take you to a Indian place when I’m in the city

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:05:25

I'll order something "mildly" spicy.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:06:19

What’s the spiciest food you’ve ever eaten?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:07:25

A small piece of a triniad moruga scorpion pepper. Very small piece.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:07:45

morning

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:08:30

the hotest food I ever had was a thai dish... can't remember the name now, but wow...

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:10:16

Let's go to init?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:10:24

Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:10:24

!topic Init process.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:11:09

I have one thing about OpenH264. We received no reply from Cisco as of today. How can we contact them?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:12:03

so there was a second email? or no? (I don't think I saw anything but perhaps I wasn't cced?)

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:12:49

Title: Fedora Project OpenH264 Distribution Workflow

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:12:49

There was a second e-mail on April 7th and I see you in the cc.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:13:08

also, there was a list cc'ed on that? are there any public archives of that list? or it's private?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:13:37

I think private.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:13:48

Or at least I don't know of an archive.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:14:17

ok, was hoping we could see if there's any activity there.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:14:21

I have a manager at Cisco that’s known should I reach out to them and ask this to swing internally

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:14:22

Can you be reached through that address as well?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:14:22

cc: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:14:42

yes

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:14:45

Not sure if it’s breach of privacy etc

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:14:48

jnsamyak: that sounds good!

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:15:05

Do you see it in your inbox? April 7th.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:15:08

just ask them to bring some reply/attention to the emails?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:15:20

Okay then I’ll reach out tomorrow

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:15:21

yeah, I saw the initial one. I thought we were going to resend it a second time

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:15:28

Yes, we just need someone to point us in the right direction, that'd be great.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:15:54

It was only sent once to the mailing list.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:16:24

ok, so I'd say lets wait and see if jnsamyak's contact gets anywhere. If not, later this week we should resend that email...

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:16:39

Anything else for the init?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:17:57

!topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:17:57

!info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:17:57

!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-releng-tasks.html

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:17:57

!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-releng-tasks.html

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:19:05

"Update PDC with F40 EOL date"

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:19:05

I see in the F42 schedule:

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:19:05

But... I thought PDC was dead? Or not completely dead?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:19:37

More of a out of curiosity question.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:19:49

it's 100% dead.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:19:56

we should remove any mentions of it. ;)

<@smooge:fedora.im>

15:20:13

🧟

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:20:27

Where are the schedule contents defined?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:20:48

Okay I mailed my Cisco guy

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:21:51

There's some repo where they are, but I am not sure what it is off hand.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:21:52

Tell Aoife - she will remove it

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:22:24

I will ping Aoife.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:24:11

OK, I pinged her, she will know more.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:26:03

Aoife said she'll clean it up from F43 onward. 👍️

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:26:41

Apart from that I don't really see anything for the next week in terms of upcoming releng things.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:27:32

For reference, here is the repo where issues should be opened in case there are issues with the schedule.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:27:36

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:32:26

Post release cleanup is almost done ! :3

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:33:05

👍

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:36:33

Yeah, and I have the things noted down, just need to format it better and I can open a pull request with the SOP update.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:37:28

great to update things as we find them... otherwise it's hard to remember what was wrong. ;)

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:38:55

My keyboard betrayed me in the meantime, had to switch to a cheap membrane one until I fix it.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:39:10

It's not a pleasant typing experience.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:39:10

Next section?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:39:13

lol

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:39:31

I think the cable that connects the two halves is just done.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:39:52

Only right half stopped working. And I was suspicious of the cable before.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:40:02

!topic Tickets that need attention.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:40:02

!info This is the time where you can bring up releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers, etc.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:40:02

!link https://pagure.io/releng/issues

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:40:41

There's a new private ticket.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:42:09

I'm not sure it needs to be... but ok.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:43:31

I'm not organized this morning to have specific tickets I don't think...

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:43:54

You can also get more than 15 minutes of your time back.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:44:04

well, actually... I do have some marked in my mail client

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:44:42

!releng 12490

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:44:43

● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago

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15:44:43

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:44:43

● **Opened:** 4 months ago by petersen

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15:44:43

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:44:43

**releng #12490** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12490):**10 builds still koji tagged with signing-pending**

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:45:09

shall we just untag those last ones and close it?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:45:25

I had one but I can’t recall which one was it

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:45:43

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:45:46

well, except...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:46:02

thats a racy query. Packages are tagged in and processed and untagged.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:46:11

at any given time there will be some being signed in there

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:46:41

but those seem 'stuck'.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:47:05

Instead of untagging them, we should try re-tagging them... that should make robosignatory process them again.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:47:37

does someone want to do that? :) I mean I could, but you all could too.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:48:12

I can take it. And re-tag them into which tag?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:48:34

the ones they are in now.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:48:59

the reason they are likely stuck is that something happened and robosignatory didn't get the message they needed to be processed.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:49:01

I know I asked about this before, but "re-tagging" is untagging and tagging again?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:05

retagging them in would cause it to do so

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:17

you can untag and tag or you can tag with --force

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:52

thanks for taking it. ;)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:58

!releng 12023

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:49:59

● **Opened:** a year ago by kevin

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:49:59

● **Assignee:** patrikp

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:49:59

● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:49:59

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:49:59

**releng #12023** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12023):**Update pungi filters**

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:50:01

Is there a practical difference between the two that one should consider?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:50:12

I don't think there is...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:51:24

so, on this last one, it sounds like we should add glibc32 to the bodhi pungi config in ansible.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:52:09

and on the rawhide one we need to test dropping those old server ones.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:52:24

I thought we did it

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:52:34

Just so I am wiser, could you please explain to me some of the context around why, what problems it may cause, etc.? I have literally no idea. But if you say to add it in I can do that.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:53:02

Good question

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:53:23

glibc32 is a weird 32bit glibc on x86_64... it's normally only used to build other glibc stuff, it shouldn't be shipped to users. We filter it in rawhide/branched... but not in updates(yet)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: package) to access the 32-bit development files during a 64-bit build.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: build environment. Any package which needs both 32-bit and 64-bit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: This package is not supported or intended for use outside of the

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: distribution build enviroment. Regular users can install both 32-bit and

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: 64-bit runtimes and development files without any problems.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

``` Description : This package is only used for internal building of multilib aware

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: packages, like gcc, due to a technical limitation in the distribution

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:27

: runtimes at the same time must install glibc32 (marked as a 64-bit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

` Description : This package is only used for internal building of multilib aware

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: package) to access the 32-bit development files during a 64-bit build.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: This package is not supported or intended for use outside of the

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: distribution build enviroment. Regular users can install both 32-bit and

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: 64-bit runtimes and development files without any problems.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: runtimes at the same time must install glibc32 (marked as a 64-bit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: build environment. Any package which needs both 32-bit and 64-bit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:33

: packages, like gcc, due to a technical limitation in the distribution

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:54:40

I don't understand what testing is in this context.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:55:24

Or, sorry, I don't understand what "updates" is.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:55:46

locally changing pungi config, running pungi to produce a server image that we look at / test. Perhaps we could nerd snipe adamw into doing that testing.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:56:27

rawhide and branched are made from pungi-fedora config. updates and updates-testing repos are made by bodhi using the pungi config in ansible repo. They are two disjoint different pungi configs.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:56:43

Ughh.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:56:48

in the rawhide/pungi-fedora repo one we filter glibc32

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:56:50

I will need to re-read that a couple of times...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:57:00

in the ansible/bodhi one we currently do not

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:57:34

so, it gets shipped to users via the 'updates' repo

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:57:48

OK, got it.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:58:35

Can't I just add it to the Ansible config then?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:58:56

I added openh to that exact same file a few weeks ago, or am I wrong?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:59:02

yes. It's just a second line after this openh264 pr: https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/2562#request_diff

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:59:10

you are not, it's just one more package/line

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:06

And then we wait a while but in theory that should solve the ticket?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:12

We are over time.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:18

!topic Choose next chair.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:25

!info Next chair May 5th: Anton

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:40

I will add that line.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

16:00:49

well, that will solve that part of the ticket

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

16:01:02

we still need to deal with the server filter stuff. I'll ask QE about it.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:01:27

Right. You are correct.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:01:44

!endmeeting

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:01:44

!info Thank you all for coming!