2025-04-28 15:00:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2025-04-28)
2025-04-28 15:00:05 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-28 15:00:01 UTC
2025-04-28 15:00:05 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-04-28)'
2025-04-28 15:00:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2025-04-28 15:00:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
2025-04-28 15:00:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops.
2025-04-28 15:00:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
2025-04-28 15:00:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2025-04-28 15:00:36 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hello to all. 👋
2025-04-28 15:03:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Hey I’m here in and out but will be fully here in 15 at dinner currently 
2025-04-28 15:04:26 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Sure, we're waiting for Kevin anyway. Chew properly and don't rush it.
2025-04-28 15:04:28 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> It was Anton turn, he pinged me to assign the next meeting to him fyi^
2025-04-28 15:04:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Hehehe leftovers 
2025-04-28 15:05:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I should take you to a Indian place when I’m in the city 
2025-04-28 15:05:25 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I'll order something "mildly" spicy.
2025-04-28 15:06:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> What’s the spiciest food you’ve ever eaten?
2025-04-28 15:07:25 <@patrikp:matrix.org> A small piece of a triniad moruga scorpion pepper. Very small piece.
2025-04-28 15:07:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-04-28 15:08:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the hotest food I ever had was a thai dish... can't remember the name now, but wow...
2025-04-28 15:10:16 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Let's go to init?
2025-04-28 15:10:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
2025-04-28 15:10:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Init process.
2025-04-28 15:11:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I have one thing about OpenH264. We received no reply from Cisco as of today. How can we contact them?
2025-04-28 15:12:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so there was a second email? or no? (I don't think I saw anything but perhaps I wasn't cced?)
2025-04-28 15:12:49 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Title: Fedora Project OpenH264 Distribution Workflow
2025-04-28 15:12:49 <@patrikp:matrix.org> There was a second e-mail on April 7th and I see you in the cc.
2025-04-28 15:13:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also, there was a list cc'ed on that? are there any public archives of that list? or it's private?
2025-04-28 15:13:37 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I think private.
2025-04-28 15:13:48 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Or at least I don't know of an archive.
2025-04-28 15:14:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, was hoping we could see if there's any activity there.
2025-04-28 15:14:21 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I have a manager at Cisco that’s known should I reach out to them and ask this to swing internally  
2025-04-28 15:14:22 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Can you be reached through that address as well?
2025-04-28 15:14:22 <@patrikp:matrix.org> cc:	Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
2025-04-28 15:14:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes
2025-04-28 15:14:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Not sure if it’s breach of privacy etc 
2025-04-28 15:14:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> jnsamyak: that sounds good!
2025-04-28 15:15:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Do you see it in your inbox? April 7th.
2025-04-28 15:15:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> just ask them to bring some reply/attention to the emails?
2025-04-28 15:15:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay then I’ll reach out tomorrow 
2025-04-28 15:15:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I saw the initial one. I thought we were going to resend it a second time
2025-04-28 15:15:28 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yes, we just need someone to point us in the right direction, that'd be great.
2025-04-28 15:15:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> It was only sent once to the mailing list.
2025-04-28 15:16:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, so I'd say lets wait and see if jnsamyak's contact gets anywhere. If not, later this week we should resend that email...
2025-04-28 15:16:39 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Anything else for the init?
2025-04-28 15:17:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
2025-04-28 15:17:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
2025-04-28 15:17:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-releng-tasks.html
2025-04-28 15:17:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-releng-tasks.html
2025-04-28 15:19:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> "Update PDC with F40 EOL date"
2025-04-28 15:19:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I see in the F42 schedule:
2025-04-28 15:19:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> But... I thought PDC was dead? Or not completely dead?
2025-04-28 15:19:37 <@patrikp:matrix.org> More of a out of curiosity question.
2025-04-28 15:19:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's 100% dead.
2025-04-28 15:19:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we should remove any mentions of it. ;)
2025-04-28 15:20:13 <@smooge:fedora.im> 🧟
2025-04-28 15:20:27 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Where are the schedule contents defined?
2025-04-28 15:20:48 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay I mailed my Cisco guy
2025-04-28 15:21:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There's some repo where they are, but I am not sure what it is off hand.
2025-04-28 15:21:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Tell Aoife - she will remove it 
2025-04-28 15:22:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I will ping Aoife.
2025-04-28 15:24:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> OK, I pinged her,  she will know more.
2025-04-28 15:26:03 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Aoife said she'll clean it up from F43 onward. 👍️
2025-04-28 15:26:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Apart from that I don't really see anything for the next week in terms of upcoming releng things.
2025-04-28 15:27:32 <@patrikp:matrix.org> For reference, here is the repo where issues should be opened in case there are issues with the schedule.
2025-04-28 15:27:36 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule
2025-04-28 15:32:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Post release cleanup is almost done ! :3
2025-04-28 15:33:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> 👍
2025-04-28 15:36:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yeah, and I have the things noted down, just need to format it better and I can open a pull request with the SOP update.
2025-04-28 15:37:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> great to update things as we find them... otherwise it's hard to remember what was wrong. ;)
2025-04-28 15:38:55 <@patrikp:matrix.org> My keyboard betrayed me in the meantime, had to switch to a cheap membrane one until I fix it. 
2025-04-28 15:39:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> It's not a pleasant typing experience.
2025-04-28 15:39:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Next section?
2025-04-28 15:39:13 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> lol
2025-04-28 15:39:31 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I think the cable that connects the two halves is just done.
2025-04-28 15:39:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Only right half stopped working. And I was suspicious of the cable before.
2025-04-28 15:40:02 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Tickets that need attention.
2025-04-28 15:40:02 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info This is the time where you can bring up releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers, etc.
2025-04-28 15:40:02 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/releng/issues
2025-04-28 15:40:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> There's a new private ticket.
2025-04-28 15:42:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure it needs to be... but ok.
2025-04-28 15:43:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not organized this morning to have specific tickets I don't think...
2025-04-28 15:43:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> You can also get more than 15 minutes of your time back.
2025-04-28 15:44:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, actually... I do have some marked in my mail client
2025-04-28 15:44:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 12490
2025-04-28 15:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago
2025-04-28 15:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-04-28 15:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 months ago by petersen
2025-04-28 15:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-04-28 15:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12490** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12490):**10 builds still koji tagged with signing-pending**
2025-04-28 15:45:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> shall we just untag those last ones and close it?
2025-04-28 15:45:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I had one but I can’t recall which one was it 
2025-04-28 15:45:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> +1
2025-04-28 15:45:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, except...
2025-04-28 15:46:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thats a racy query. Packages are tagged in and processed and untagged.
2025-04-28 15:46:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> at any given time there will be some being signed in there
2025-04-28 15:46:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but those seem 'stuck'.
2025-04-28 15:47:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Instead of untagging them, we should try re-tagging them... that should make robosignatory process them again.
2025-04-28 15:47:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> does someone want to do that? :) I mean I could, but you all could too.
2025-04-28 15:48:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I can take it. And re-tag them into which tag?
2025-04-28 15:48:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the ones they are in now.
2025-04-28 15:48:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the reason they are likely stuck is that something happened and robosignatory didn't get the message they needed to be processed.
2025-04-28 15:49:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I know I asked about this before, but "re-tagging" is untagging and tagging again?
2025-04-28 15:49:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> retagging them in would cause it to do so
2025-04-28 15:49:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> you can untag and tag or you can tag with --force
2025-04-28 15:49:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks for taking it. ;)
2025-04-28 15:49:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 12023
2025-04-28 15:49:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a year ago by kevin
2025-04-28 15:49:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** patrikp
2025-04-28 15:49:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 3 days ago
2025-04-28 15:49:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-04-28 15:49:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12023** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12023):**Update pungi filters**
2025-04-28 15:50:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Is there a practical difference between the two that one should consider?
2025-04-28 15:50:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think there is...
2025-04-28 15:51:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, on this last one, it sounds like we should add glibc32 to the bodhi pungi config in ansible.
2025-04-28 15:52:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and on the rawhide one we need to test dropping those old server ones.
2025-04-28 15:52:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I thought we did it 
2025-04-28 15:52:34 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Just so I am wiser, could you please explain to me some of the context around why, what problems it may cause, etc.? I have literally no idea. But if you say to add it in I can do that.
2025-04-28 15:53:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Good question 
2025-04-28 15:53:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> glibc32 is a weird 32bit glibc on x86_64... it's normally only used to build other glibc stuff, it shouldn't be shipped to users. We filter it in rawhide/branched... but not in updates(yet)
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : package) to access the 32-bit development files during a 64-bit build.
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : build environment. Any package which needs both 32-bit and 64-bit
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : This package is not supported or intended for use outside of the
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : distribution build enviroment. Regular users can install both 32-bit and
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : 64-bit runtimes and development files without any problems.
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ``` Description    : This package is only used for internal building of multilib aware
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : packages, like gcc, due to a technical limitation in the distribution
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : 
2025-04-28 15:54:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : runtimes at the same time must install glibc32 (marked as a 64-bit
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ` Description    : This package is only used for internal building of multilib aware
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : package) to access the 32-bit development files during a 64-bit build.
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : 
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : This package is not supported or intended for use outside of the
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : distribution build enviroment. Regular users can install both 32-bit and
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : 64-bit runtimes and development files without any problems.
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : runtimes at the same time must install glibc32 (marked as a 64-bit
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : build environment. Any package which needs both 32-bit and 64-bit
2025-04-28 15:54:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>                : packages, like gcc, due to a technical limitation in the distribution
2025-04-28 15:54:40 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I don't understand what testing is in this context.
2025-04-28 15:55:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Or, sorry, I don't understand what "updates" is.
2025-04-28 15:55:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> locally changing pungi config, running pungi to produce a server image that we look at / test. Perhaps we could nerd snipe adamw into doing that testing.
2025-04-28 15:56:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> rawhide and branched are made from pungi-fedora config. updates and updates-testing repos are made by bodhi using the pungi config in ansible repo. They are two disjoint different pungi configs.
2025-04-28 15:56:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Ughh.
2025-04-28 15:56:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in the rawhide/pungi-fedora repo one we filter glibc32
2025-04-28 15:56:50 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I will need to re-read that a couple of times...
2025-04-28 15:57:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in the ansible/bodhi one we currently do not
2025-04-28 15:57:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, it gets shipped to users via the 'updates' repo
2025-04-28 15:57:48 <@patrikp:matrix.org> OK, got it.
2025-04-28 15:58:35 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Can't I just add it to the Ansible config then?
2025-04-28 15:58:56 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I added openh to that exact same file a few weeks ago, or am I wrong?
2025-04-28 15:59:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes. It's just a second line after this openh264 pr: https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/2562#request_diff
2025-04-28 15:59:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> you are not, it's just one more package/line
2025-04-28 16:00:06 <@patrikp:matrix.org> And then we wait a while but in theory that should solve the ticket?
2025-04-28 16:00:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> We are over time.
2025-04-28 16:00:18 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Choose next chair.
2025-04-28 16:00:25 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Next chair May 5th: Anton
2025-04-28 16:00:40 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I will add that line.
2025-04-28 16:00:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, that will solve that part of the ticket
2025-04-28 16:01:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we still need to deal with the server filter stuff. I'll ask QE about it.
2025-04-28 16:01:27 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Right. You are correct.
2025-04-28 16:01:44 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !endmeeting
2025-04-28 16:01:44 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming!