2025-11-03 16:00:26 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2025-11-03)
2025-11-03 16:00:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-11-03 16:00:26 UTC
2025-11-03 16:00:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-11-03)'
2025-11-03 16:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
2025-11-03 16:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
2025-11-03 16:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it STOPS.
2025-11-03 16:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2025-11-03 16:00:44 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2025-11-03 16:01:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-11-03 16:01:08 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Evening.
2025-11-03 16:01:13 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 0/
2025-11-03 16:01:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> night :)
2025-11-03 16:01:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hahaha
2025-11-03 16:01:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> DST happened again :(
2025-11-03 16:02:03 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 5 PM and it's already completely dark.
2025-11-03 16:02:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but we are "saving" daylight. ;)
2025-11-03 16:02:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or I guess we aren't anymore...
2025-11-03 16:02:33 <@amedvede:fedora.im> hey all
2025-11-03 16:02:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> its winter hears generally it goes down at 7 now it is going down at 5:30ish here too
2025-11-03 16:02:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> its winter here generally it goes down at 7 now it is going down at 5:30ish here too
2025-11-03 16:03:14 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Init time?
2025-11-03 16:03:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 👍️
2025-11-03 16:03:29 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Init process.
2025-11-03 16:03:29 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
2025-11-03 16:04:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay so for the community engagement, I have to bring this up here: RelEng Migration to Forgejo
2025-11-03 16:04:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Now that Fedora 43 Final is out, we’re moving ahead with the final phase of the RelEng migration to Forgejo. This includes moving our issue tracker and related repositories from Pagure to the new Forgejo instance.
2025-11-03 16:05:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 🗓️ Planned migration date: November 18, 2025 (two weeks from today) I have created the issue for this: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/13061
2025-11-03 16:06:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll be sending out disussion post/annoucement emails for this.
2025-11-03 16:06:19 <@patrikp:matrix.org> This Anubis thing...
2025-11-03 16:07:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> All RelEng issues (open and closed) from Pagure RelEng will be migrated to a new Forgejo repository called tickets.
2025-11-03 16:07:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> All new issues after the migration will need to be filed in Forgejo.
2025-11-03 16:07:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> The Pagure issue tracker will then be closed with a README pointing to the new location.
2025-11-03 16:07:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 
2025-11-03 16:07:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Here’s what will happen:
2025-11-03 16:07:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sounds reasonable... infra is likely to move soon too.
2025-11-03 16:07:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yes so this is what i wanted to bring up.
2025-11-03 16:08:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Follow-up migrations for related repositories like failed-composes, etc., will happen following with this main migration once it is completed.
2025-11-03 16:08:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> awesome
2025-11-03 16:08:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's all
2025-11-03 16:09:48 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Just for info, Nov 17th, the day preceding the migration (when we have the releng weekly catchup, releng weekly Matrix meeting and sprint retro/review) is a public holiday in Czechia.
2025-11-03 16:10:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Otherwise sounds good.
2025-11-03 16:12:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Anything else for init?
2025-11-03 16:12:50 <@amedvede:fedora.im> One more item for init. After disscusion about Zabbix, Greg asked me about what monotoring, metrics, triggers would be nice to have or required by releng. I created a ticket to gether this information. If you have a suggestion about monitoring, write a comment to ticket https://pagure.io/releng/issue/13062
2025-11-03 16:12:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
2025-11-03 16:12:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
2025-11-03 16:12:52 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-44/f-44-releng-tasks.html
2025-11-03 16:12:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> not from me
2025-11-03 16:13:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-releng-tasks.html
2025-11-03 16:13:48 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Let me put both in the hackmd...
2025-11-03 16:13:55 <@amedvede:fedora.im> nice, don't push to next topic if it shows that someone is typing
2025-11-03 16:14:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Tip: Prepare it in advance so that you may paste it.
2025-11-03 16:14:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Sometimes it glitches out and shows that someone is typing even if they're not.
2025-11-03 16:14:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Go ahead.
2025-11-03 16:15:18 <@amedvede:fedora.im> that okay, I know it happens sometime
2025-11-03 16:15:40 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I'll just repeat the msg in case someone missed
2025-11-03 16:15:41 <@amedvede:fedora.im> One more item for init. After disscusion about Zabbix, Greg asked me about what monotoring, metrics, triggers would be nice to have or required by releng. I created a ticket to gether this information. If you have a suggestion about monitoring, write a comment to ticket https://pagure.io/releng/issue/13062
2025-11-03 16:16:25 <@gwmngilfen:fedora.im> if you want to brainstorm first I'm always open to a ping, but yeah, lets gather the reqs there eventually
2025-11-03 16:16:30 <@gwmngilfen:fedora.im> thanks for raising it Anton Medvedev 
2025-11-03 16:17:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Anton Medvedev: Is this is a investigation ticket only?
2025-11-03 16:17:37 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I'll add mine comments there as well, it seems that it might be beneficial to have a triger for bodhi that will tell us if updates need to be resumed
2025-11-03 16:18:05 <@amedvede:fedora.im> yes for now, After there will be some comments I'll add indivial tickets for implementation according to them
2025-11-03 16:19:07 <@amedvede:fedora.im> if you have a suggestion how it can be in better shape, let me know
2025-11-03 16:19:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> can you mark this as high gain/medium trouble in this case? I dont think it should be high trouble unless implemnation required
2025-11-03 16:19:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we can talk later about it tho
2025-11-03 16:19:43 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> please continue 
2025-11-03 16:20:04 <@amedvede:fedora.im> good suggestion, I'll change
2025-11-03 16:20:08 <@amedvede:fedora.im> thats it from me
2025-11-03 16:20:49 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So for upcoming actions I see post release cleanup and I see that we already have a ticket for it.
2025-11-03 16:20:49 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/releng/issue/13063
2025-11-03 16:20:59 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Anything to add or shall we go to backlog refinement?
2025-11-03 16:21:43 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Oh, Anton Medvedev apoligies can you leave that to me please?
2025-11-03 16:21:57 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I assigned this ticket for myself but as Tomas mentioned today, we can work both on it
2025-11-03 16:22:09 <@amedvede:fedora.im> sure, feel free to change it
2025-11-03 16:22:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I already am working on this to automate the process in a playbook and torrents i cleared it out;
2025-11-03 16:22:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> If I'll do it manually I'll delegate it back to you 
2025-11-03 16:22:33 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I just like to write scripts to automate stuff, so if you would need any help let me know
2025-11-03 16:22:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> sure
2025-11-03 16:23:14 <@amedvede:fedora.im> no problem
2025-11-03 16:23:39 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Moving on...
2025-11-03 16:24:35 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info This section will be used to go through oldest modified tickets in https://pagure.io/releng/report/weekly_refinement and evaluate if there are still relevant or we can close them.
2025-11-03 16:24:35 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/releng/report/weekly_refinement
2025-11-03 16:24:35 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Fedora releng backlog refinement 
2025-11-03 16:29:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Lets see.. I'm sure we have a bunch of issues. ;)
2025-11-03 16:30:15 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Sorry, I just copied that as it was in the hackmd (new section). It's about going through tickets that were least recently modified I believe.
2025-11-03 16:30:15 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/releng/issues?status=Open&order_key=last_updated&order=asc
2025-11-03 16:30:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Of course when we post a comment it gets modified.
2025-11-03 16:31:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2025-11-03 16:31:39 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay, lets pick one ticket and discuss, which one looks good?
2025-11-03 16:31:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can see some we might be able to close. ;)
2025-11-03 16:32:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> let's gooo
2025-11-03 16:32:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I see once that are not touched at all
2025-11-03 16:33:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 11870
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a year ago
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a year ago by praiskup
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #11870** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11870):**Disable HTTP caches for repomd.xml files for Koji buildroots**
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-11-03 16:33:03 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12488
2025-11-03 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-11-03 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 11 months ago by ferdnyc
2025-11-03 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12488** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12488):**golang-modernc-ccorpus2: Request cleanup of upstream sources committed to package repo **
2025-11-03 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-11-03 16:33:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 11 months ago
2025-11-03 16:33:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this has no update for 2 years, I'd say close and ask them to re-open/file new if it's still happening
2025-11-03 16:34:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> sure
2025-11-03 16:36:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> need to talk about it
2025-11-03 16:36:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, on 12488... it sounds like thats a kinda big file... if it is, I guess we need to do the archive tag trick thing, which is documented I can never recal where
2025-11-03 16:37:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> does it needs to have approval from fesco?
2025-11-03 16:38:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> or releng independenty can do it?
2025-11-03 16:38:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> good question...
2025-11-03 16:39:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure... but we can ask fesco in this case and also ask for what we should do moving forwar.d
2025-11-03 16:39:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1848
2025-11-03 16:39:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> In the past I can see that a FESCo ticket was opened and voted upon it seems.
2025-11-03 16:39:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> would you like me to file that fesco ticket, or would one of you like to?
2025-11-03 16:40:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for this specific issue?
2025-11-03 16:41:24 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Not for the same package but for the same issue, i.e. removal of a tarball.
2025-11-03 16:41:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Anton Medvedev/ patrikp ^ also assign 12488 and triage it? If not I can
2025-11-03 16:43:24 <@amedvede:fedora.im> sounds like planned work for next sprint xd
2025-11-03 16:43:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> lol it's not a biggie
2025-11-03 16:43:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll do it nirik 
2025-11-03 16:43:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure could be... but fesco could be discussing before then
2025-11-03 16:43:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> leave that ticket to me
2025-11-03 16:44:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> next?
2025-11-03 16:44:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Ideally we'd also like to know how to handle it in the future (i.e. not just for this one specific case but if it requires approval at all) and once we dig up some comment on some ticket where the archival trick is documented we should put it in an SOP.
2025-11-03 16:44:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 12234
2025-11-03 16:44:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-11-03 16:44:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a year ago by adamwill
2025-11-03 16:44:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a year ago
2025-11-03 16:44:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-11-03 16:44:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12234** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12234):**Keep compose metadata somewhere that isn't garbage-collected**
2025-11-03 16:45:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> propose: closed done ask them to file new if they don't have what they need.
2025-11-03 16:45:35 <@amedvede:fedora.im> i'd like to take it if you don't mind
2025-11-03 16:47:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> sure can you close the above ticket too?
2025-11-03 16:47:50 <@amedvede:fedora.im> kk
2025-11-03 16:51:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so next?
2025-11-03 16:51:21 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> meanwhile if you at it Anton Medvedev you can take 12487
2025-11-03 16:51:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> both 12487 and 12488 are similar
2025-11-03 16:52:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 11921
2025-11-03 16:52:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-11-03 16:52:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #11921** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11921):**Missing/messed-up logs for FESCo meting 2024-01-29**
2025-11-03 16:52:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-11-03 16:52:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a year ago by zbyszek
2025-11-03 16:52:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a year ago
2025-11-03 16:52:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> close and ask to refile in infra if it's still an issue?
2025-11-03 16:53:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 12053
2025-11-03 16:53:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-11-03 16:53:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a year ago
2025-11-03 16:53:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-11-03 16:53:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a year ago by mh21
2025-11-03 16:53:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12053** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12053):**Extend duration that ELN buildroot repos are kept to 17 days**
2025-11-03 16:53:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> close.
2025-11-03 16:54:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> someone closing/commenting?
2025-11-03 16:55:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not me... but I could if you like
2025-11-03 16:55:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i meant from anton/patrik since they were reacting to comments
2025-11-03 16:55:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> otherwise i can :D
2025-11-03 16:56:01 <@amedvede:fedora.im> not me either i was reasighing tickets above
2025-11-03 16:56:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but i guess we are on time - next chair?
2025-11-03 16:56:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yes, time check. Anybody want to take next week?
2025-11-03 16:57:27 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I can take it
2025-11-03 16:57:50 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Choose next chair.
2025-11-03 16:57:50 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Next chair November 10th: Anton
2025-11-03 16:58:15 <@patrikp:matrix.org> And you may have the almost 2 minutes back...
2025-11-03 16:58:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming!
2025-11-03 16:58:27 <@amedvede:fedora.im> parada
2025-11-03 16:58:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks for running patrikp
2025-11-03 16:59:00 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !endmeeting