2025-12-08 16:01:29 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !startmeeting RELENG (2025-12-08)
2025-12-08 16:01:30 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-12-08 16:01:29 UTC
2025-12-08 16:01:30 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2025-12-08)'
2025-12-08 16:01:36 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !meetingname releng
2025-12-08 16:01:36 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2025-12-08 16:01:42 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
2025-12-08 16:01:47 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it STOPS.
2025-12-08 16:01:51 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
2025-12-08 16:02:10 <@amedvede:fedora.im> Lets start with init
2025-12-08 16:02:12 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !topic Init process.
2025-12-08 16:02:18 <@amedvede:fedora.im> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
2025-12-08 16:02:38 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hello.
2025-12-08 16:03:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Nothing - EOL is going to happen next week, adam said he sent out emails for this, if not I'll check those, and send one tomorrow
2025-12-08 16:03:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-12-08 16:03:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Migration is under progress - pungi-fedora is moved to new forge.
2025-12-08 16:03:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I do not think he sent the announcement email... he only updated bugs
2025-12-08 16:04:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> oh he said on discussion post that he took care of it
2025-12-08 16:04:52 <@amedvede:fedora.im> compose-tracker and failed-composes will be migrated soon too, I prepared everything, tomorrow will send announcement email
2025-12-08 16:04:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i might have missed or read it wrong, in that case, I'll send out the annoucement today for next week
2025-12-08 16:05:38 <@amedvede:fedora.im> there will be need to create few variables in ansible private repo
2025-12-08 16:06:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't see the email announcement.
2025-12-08 16:06:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Please send out annoucement emails prior, we need to give community time to adjust those peices
2025-12-08 16:06:48 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for eol?
2025-12-08 16:07:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, for f41 eol.
2025-12-08 16:07:28 <@amedvede:fedora.im> sure, I'll sent after the meeting then
2025-12-08 16:08:48 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll send those out today, iam reading the discussion post new comments, i see you are right, he update bzs one
2025-12-08 16:09:03 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> you will have eol mail soon in your moderator list, post meeting
2025-12-08 16:09:51 <@amedvede:fedora.im> anything else for init?
2025-12-08 16:11:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nothing here
2025-12-08 16:11:43 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay, lets move on then
2025-12-08 16:11:52 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
2025-12-08 16:11:57 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
2025-12-08 16:12:01 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-releng-tasks.html
2025-12-08 16:12:06 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-44/f-44-releng-tasks.html
2025-12-08 16:12:22 <@amedvede:fedora.im> as Samyak mentioned EOL for next week
2025-12-08 16:13:21 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I see also `Rawhide starts Fedora Linux 44 development` starting today in calendar 
2025-12-08 16:13:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> huh, not sure what that one means
2025-12-08 16:13:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Retire packages with security issues	Mon 2025-12-22
2025-12-08 16:13:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> For the F44 schedule, does anyone have more information on this?
2025-12-08 16:14:14 <@patrikp:matrix.org> That's August 12th, i.e. after mass branching I suppose.
2025-12-08 16:14:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Thats a long ago thing that fesco wanted to do... but we never implemented and indeed there's new discussion about what to do about it.
2025-12-08 16:14:48 <@amedvede:fedora.im> me either, but sounds cool
2025-12-08 16:15:13 <@patrikp:matrix.org> It was in August. 2025-08-12
2025-12-08 16:15:45 <@amedvede:fedora.im> oh, those dates are always messing my mind
2025-12-08 16:16:16 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay, so move to next section?
2025-12-08 16:17:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So next planned thing is mass rebuild in early Jan, i.e. right after the holidays?
2025-12-08 16:17:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah
2025-12-08 16:17:58 <@amedvede:fedora.im> it seems like it
2025-12-08 16:17:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, and that seems really early
2025-12-08 16:18:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I was surprised as well.
2025-12-08 16:18:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the last one was a week later
2025-12-08 16:18:43 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i have a ticket for it to delay
2025-12-08 16:18:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the one before that was 2 weeks later.
2025-12-08 16:18:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but just fimishing eol email for review, and i can discuss this
2025-12-08 16:19:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> something possibly to take up with fesco...
2025-12-08 16:19:13 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> exactly
2025-12-08 16:19:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I don't understand how the schedule works. It's generated automatically or created manually by someone? Where do the dates come from?
2025-12-08 16:20:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> it just the timing with the dst change are so bad, I need to reschdule my mornings to night for fesco and releng weekly i think so i can cordinate stuff easily
2025-12-08 16:21:13 <@patrikp:matrix.org> For F46 mass rebuild is scheduled for Jan 20th.
2025-12-08 16:21:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's approved/acks by fesco, but generated by the program managers...
2025-12-08 16:21:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's approved/acks by fesco, but generated by the Fedora Operations Architect
2025-12-08 16:24:01 <@amedvede:fedora.im> so are we wanna to reschedule mass rebuild to later date?
2025-12-08 16:24:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule
2025-12-08 16:25:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we should ask about it, but we cannot just change it ourselves since it involves moving other things and such
2025-12-08 16:25:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> ready for review: https://hackmd.io/@2se5GAvIQGSWX9IGCuz2Tw/eol41/edit
2025-12-08 16:26:18 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Looks good to me.
2025-12-08 16:26:22 <@amedvede:fedora.im> yeah, but I guess we can modify only 1 date if fesco will be okay with it without moving other stuff
2025-12-08 16:26:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Id say "begin planning their upgrade" could be "should upgrade"
2025-12-08 16:26:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> will do that change
2025-12-08 16:27:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> perhaps. But then there is less time for maintainers post mass rebuild to fix packages.
2025-12-08 16:27:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> also i was talking about that there is an blocker from gcc toolchain people
2025-12-08 16:27:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for the rebuild
2025-12-08 16:27:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> not that it was happening right after the holidays
2025-12-08 16:27:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, they wanted things later...
2025-12-08 16:27:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but fesco wanted them eariler... so...
2025-12-08 16:27:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
2025-12-08 16:28:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, that f41 eol looks ok... I'm not sure I would mention the thread / confusion... but i guess it's fine...
2025-12-08 16:29:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> changed, just wanted to put confusion to answer the forth coming questions that what why this was done earlier
2025-12-08 16:29:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but for announce list, should I remove it?
2025-12-08 16:30:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I know it goes to some magzine publicly?
2025-12-08 16:31:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, many users probibly don't care how the schedule is made or anything... they just want to know that f41 is going eol...
2025-12-08 16:31:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but it could actually draw in some contributors too...
2025-12-08 16:32:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> let me update it then
2025-12-08 16:34:08 <@amedvede:fedora.im> time for next topic?
2025-12-08 16:34:33 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay I will move on, if anything comes back, we will return to the on open floor
2025-12-08 16:34:39 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !topic Tickets that need attention.
2025-12-08 16:34:44 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info This is the time where you can bring up RelEng tickets for discussion, for example if there are blockers, etc.
2025-12-08 16:34:49 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues
2025-12-08 16:36:19 <@amedvede:fedora.im> It was cool previously when creation of ticket sent notification to releng channel
2025-12-08 16:36:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> ok https://hackmd.io/s08LXaPdR2KiGlppnPsLcg
2025-12-08 16:37:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> updated
2025-12-08 16:37:10 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I'm not sure how it worked, where the code of matrix bot can be found?
2025-12-08 16:38:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i think aurelien and michal would be good poc for that
2025-12-08 16:38:53 <@amedvede:fedora.im> also not huge problem but should we address new forge in documentation and variables as `forge` or `forgejo`
2025-12-08 16:39:03 <@amedvede:fedora.im> I'll ask them
2025-12-08 16:41:11 <@james:fedora.im> https://github.com/fedora-infra/maubot-pagure-notifications
2025-12-08 16:41:30 <@james:fedora.im> But AIUI, that'll go away with the move to forgejo
2025-12-08 16:41:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> okay so the eol email is sent
2025-12-08 16:41:42 <@james:fedora.im> As forgejo will do it natively
2025-12-08 16:42:02 <@amedvede:fedora.im> good to hear, thanks for sharing
2025-12-08 16:42:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> forge has a dedciated bot I think, it's not using the maubot plugin.
2025-12-08 16:42:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah,., that
2025-12-08 16:43:13 <@amedvede:fedora.im> so for now we will live without notifications until moment of move
2025-12-08 16:43:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it can be enabled now. talk to ryan/file a ticket asking for it.
2025-12-08 16:43:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> if you look in the #fedora-forgejo:fedoraproject.org channel they are using I think...
2025-12-08 16:44:33 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay, good stuff, let me put on paper to not forget
2025-12-08 16:47:26 <@amedvede:fedora.im> if you have interesting tickets to discuss shoot, while i'm choosing one
2025-12-08 16:48:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Oh, I had a question...
2025-12-08 16:48:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we are almost on time btw, so if you want to do chair after one ticket that's fine too
2025-12-08 16:48:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> shooot
2025-12-08 16:49:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in the daily meeting we have in later hours we used to triage releng tickets along with infra ones... should we still do that? and if we just use the same labels we used to use or are different ones needed now?
2025-12-08 16:49:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or do you all want to triage things another time? or ?
2025-12-08 16:49:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so the labels should be same, but with new scrum set
2025-12-08 16:50:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we need to add points to that 
2025-12-08 16:50:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> low -> 1
2025-12-08 16:50:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> med -> 3, 5
2025-12-08 16:50:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> high -> 13 or so
2025-12-08 16:50:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's an addition
2025-12-08 16:51:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, we also need to set a point value? in addition to the low/med/high ?
2025-12-08 16:51:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we nneed point value for sure
2025-12-08 16:51:23 <@amedvede:fedora.im> maybe we can get rid of old ones like med high low and exchange it with low - 1 point
2025-12-08 16:51:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we can think of droping low/mwd/high
2025-12-08 16:51:39 <@amedvede:fedora.im> so community and we noth know what to expect
2025-12-08 16:51:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but want to keep those for community but i would get backlash for havng so many tags lol
2025-12-08 16:51:49 <@amedvede:fedora.im> so community and we both know what to expect
2025-12-08 16:51:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think ryan made some global labels... but I am also not sure how the points syncs/works.
2025-12-08 16:52:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> wait let me tell you quickly
2025-12-08 16:52:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the releng repo has a vast sea of tags. ;(
2025-12-08 16:52:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sorry 'labels' now
2025-12-08 16:52:53 <@amedvede:fedora.im> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nyJ8RgSvzlRrRWXpjjZgr-F_RIgNuVNc62ufUR2fIEE/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
2025-12-08 16:53:16 <@amedvede:fedora.im> here is doc describing how we should mark those points now
2025-12-08 16:53:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so let's start by dropping med high low labels with points
2025-12-08 16:54:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for trouble and gain
2025-12-08 16:54:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we should have something public about it... a google doc is a bad look for the community.
2025-12-08 16:54:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> there are already self explanatory pointers for it
2025-12-08 16:54:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> the labels are there
2025-12-08 16:54:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> publicly defined
2025-12-08 16:55:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> and written
2025-12-08 16:55:05 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/labels
2025-12-08 16:55:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, thats better
2025-12-08 16:56:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'm planningto refine the not used ones from the tracker 
2025-12-08 16:56:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but when i get some free cyles
2025-12-08 16:56:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but when i get some free cylces
2025-12-08 16:56:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, so, should we try and trigae these daily? or since none of you all are there, should we leave that for you to do sometime?
2025-12-08 16:56:58 <@amedvede:fedora.im> so now we should mark ticket with two lables at same time? like low-trouble and points 1 at the same time?
2025-12-08 16:57:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd drop/not do the low/med/high anymore, just the points...
2025-12-08 16:58:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or perhaps we should still do priority?
2025-12-08 16:58:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I say leave it, we can do these as part of sprint planning we have, but i dont think there is a need to have it triaged daily, but i like the PRIORITY ones to be there.
2025-12-08 16:58:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ie, where possible we should try and use the org level labels that every project will have
2025-12-08 16:58:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> exactly 
2025-12-08 16:58:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah
2025-12-08 16:59:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, but I warn you.... if you don't keep up on triage it can get bad/big backlog. ;(
2025-12-08 16:59:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also we are over 100 tickets again there. ;(
2025-12-08 16:59:54 <@patrikp:matrix.org> They just don't stop coming.
2025-12-08 17:00:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah i was on pto for a WEEK and boom it was back to 100 I need some cycles to look at what's going on
2025-12-08 17:00:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, busy busy busy
2025-12-08 17:00:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> also as much as i hated pagure, it became an eye comfort
2025-12-08 17:00:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> new forge is i'm adjusting 
2025-12-08 17:00:42 <@amedvede:fedora.im> ticket number reminds me my wight loss way xd
2025-12-08 17:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Same here.
2025-12-08 17:00:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but it's good just need to make it a habit
2025-12-08 17:00:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> :P
2025-12-08 17:00:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> It doesn't show when a ticket was last modified. :(
2025-12-08 17:01:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I haven't really mentally moved to forge yet. I am sure I will after infra moves. ;)
2025-12-08 17:01:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues?q=&type=all&sort=leastupdate&state=open&labels=&milestone=0&project=0&assignee=0&poster=0 ?
2025-12-08 17:01:31 <@patrikp:matrix.org> By the way, time check. I can chair next week.
2025-12-08 17:01:49 <@amedvede:fedora.im> okay, I'll put your name in md file
2025-12-08 17:01:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sort -> least recently updated?
2025-12-08 17:02:01 <@amedvede:fedora.im> yeah, we over time
2025-12-08 17:02:08 <@amedvede:fedora.im> thanks for comming
2025-12-08 17:02:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yes, but when you just take a look at the unsorted page I really liked it when the frontend showed "Modified 10 hours ago"
2025-12-08 17:02:25 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !topic Choose next chair.
2025-12-08 17:02:44 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info Next chair December 15th: Patrik
2025-12-08 17:02:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ah, right... we could ask for it upstream
2025-12-08 17:03:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> lots of things to doo
2025-12-08 17:03:20 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !info Thank you all for coming!
2025-12-08 17:03:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: just a reminder for eol annoucement being in moderator list
2025-12-08 17:03:39 <@amedvede:fedora.im> next year promising to be busy one
2025-12-08 17:03:47 <@amedvede:fedora.im> !endmeeting