2026-02-02 16:00:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2026-02-02)
2026-02-02 16:00:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-02-02 16:00:05 UTC
2026-02-02 16:00:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2026-02-02)'
2026-02-02 16:00:17 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2026-02-02 16:00:17 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it STOPS.
2026-02-02 16:00:17 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.
2026-02-02 16:00:17 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede
2026-02-02 16:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2026-02-02 16:00:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hello. 👋
2026-02-02 16:04:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2026-02-02 16:04:59 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?
2026-02-02 16:04:59 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Init process.
2026-02-02 16:06:07 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I don't have anything for init.
2026-02-02 16:06:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nothing off hand from me
2026-02-02 16:06:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.
2026-02-02 16:06:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.
2026-02-02 16:06:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-44/f-44-releng-tasks.html
2026-02-02 16:06:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So, the big one... Mass branching tomorrow and Samyak is at a wedding.
2026-02-02 16:08:16 <@patrikp:matrix.org> We have the preparatory PRs in place (feel free to double check if you find the time).
2026-02-02 16:08:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I will try and give a review pass through them all later today.
2026-02-02 16:09:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> How do we go about it tomorrow? Should I start it at the scheduled time? Announcement is sent. But I'm very hesitant to just start doing things without responsible adults around.
2026-02-02 16:09:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Whats the scheduled time? I should be around my normal waking times. :)
2026-02-02 16:10:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> 14utc?
2026-02-02 16:11:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 1400 UTC
2026-02-02 16:11:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Thats a bit early for me, but I'd say it should be ok to start slowly moving forward and I will be in when I get up
2026-02-02 16:12:31 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Would it be OK for me to actually hold off on doing things until you are behind a computer? The SOP seems WAY too straightforward considering how these mass branchings usually go, I fear some context or steps may be omitted.
2026-02-02 16:12:40 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Not going to lie, I'm shaking in my boots.
2026-02-02 16:13:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, thats fine... I can let you know when I get in...
2026-02-02 16:14:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> don't worry... it's very complex, but we have tried to make sure everything is documented well the last few times...
2026-02-02 16:14:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and if there's things that need cleaning up we can do that... it's not the end of the world.
2026-02-02 16:14:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, just go slowly and carefully and understand each step and we should be fine
2026-02-02 16:15:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I will do my best to update the SOP during/afterwards. Completely understandable that it's not perfect, it's a monumental task to document it from scratch.
2026-02-02 16:15:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's been getting closer each time... someday it will be 100% :)
2026-02-02 16:15:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but also in car
2026-02-02 16:16:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hehe
2026-02-02 16:16:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> And then we switch to Konflux!
2026-02-02 16:16:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I gave my +1 on some, and some needs a little fixing
2026-02-02 16:16:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 🙈
2026-02-02 16:17:04 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yep, saw the feedback, I'll update them.
2026-02-02 16:17:08 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Thanks for the feedback.
2026-02-02 16:17:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> The first pass of f45 resigning finished finally. I am sure there's a few things that still need signing tho...
2026-02-02 16:18:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1111, and every breaking thing has a upcoming fix 
2026-02-02 16:19:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 98 more
2026-02-02 16:19:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not too bad.
2026-02-02 16:19:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Step 1 of the branching is turning off Koji builders. But in the Ansible section there's this note:
2026-02-02 16:19:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> For context here's the SOP: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/release_guide/sop_mass_branching/
2026-02-02 16:19:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 
2026-02-02 16:19:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> `Avoid running the koji-hub.yaml playbook after turning off Koji builders to prevent overwriting manual changes.`
2026-02-02 16:19:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Does that mean this playbook has to be run only after Koji is re-enabled?
2026-02-02 16:19:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> my internet is flaky I'll try to get those in, if not, I'll ping you
2026-02-02 16:19:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> If you all can get me the list I can fire it off... or leave it to you
2026-02-02 16:20:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I have a list in my user
2026-02-02 16:20:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but wait for me, I'm almost on it
2026-02-02 16:20:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> And should we make a habit of using statusfpo when we do release related things (and thus add relevant sections to the SOP)?
2026-02-02 16:21:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, the script/commands that block external people from koji will be reverted if you run the koji playbook after that. So, yeah, you should wait until koji is ready to be re-opened to external people for that
2026-02-02 16:22:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, I think updating status would be a good thing.
2026-02-02 16:22:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think it needs to be updated a bunch. Just a 'branching f44 is underway if you are a contributor, please wait until the process is done' and then clearing it once it's all done
2026-02-02 16:23:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm happy to draft something/review.
2026-02-02 16:24:06 <@patrikp:matrix.org> In the Koji section (when creating release tags) there's this note:
2026-02-02 16:24:06 <@patrikp:matrix.org> `Build fedora-release and fedora-repos packages for Branched release before enabling the Rawhide gating.`
2026-02-02 16:24:06 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 
2026-02-02 16:24:06 <@patrikp:matrix.org> But then there are no further details or steps, it's just a note. What does this entail?
2026-02-02 16:26:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure there...
2026-02-02 16:26:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> just do a fedpkg build for them nothing there
2026-02-02 16:26:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> fanvy
2026-02-02 16:27:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so we need to do a build for branched (f44 in this case) before you run those playbooks
2026-02-02 16:27:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There's often gating issues with these because gating is using the old repos/packages to test with or the like...
2026-02-02 16:27:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> `Once you do the above, gating will be enabled on Rawhide updates under the new release number.`
2026-02-02 16:27:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Also there's this note that's in the ABOVE Ansible section, ABOVE the build packages note:
2026-02-02 16:27:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So if we followed the SOP in chronological order we'd run into trouble.
2026-02-02 16:27:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> and one the playbooks are ran, they will enable rawhide gating, after which fedpkg build for both rawhide release
2026-02-02 16:28:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Oh, I see "To create a rawhide release in bodhi, you need to run:" (but then it talks about making the _branched_ release
2026-02-02 16:28:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh, and we should drop all the container stuff. I thought I had a pr for that. ;(
2026-02-02 16:29:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no F44C needs to be made
2026-02-02 16:29:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, I will try and review all the pr's I can see today.
2026-02-02 16:30:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Could you please take a look at the SOP too so that if something seems obviously wrong you'll have a mental (or digital) note of it for tomorrow? If it's not too much to ask.
2026-02-02 16:31:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> definitely!
2026-02-02 16:33:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> okay so signing is in progress
2026-02-02 16:33:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> :D
2026-02-02 16:33:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Would mass branching be a good time to also update the attributes for the docs? Or at which point in the process would be a good time? Not sure it's a "step" we have anywhere.
2026-02-02 16:33:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/raw/branch/main/modules/release_guide/pages/_partials/attributes.adoc
2026-02-02 16:34:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes have a pr for it today
2026-02-02 16:34:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I think this is because the doc uses the {rawhide} attribute but we also have a {rawhide_next} one.
2026-02-02 16:34:21 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> merge tomorrow 2 hour before or when you get in
2026-02-02 16:34:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> it is alright
2026-02-02 16:34:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah update each one of those by one
2026-02-02 16:35:18 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Should I add a step into the SOP (I would propose one of the last steps) to update the attributes then?
2026-02-02 16:35:36 <@patrikp:matrix.org> If we do it before the branching process starts it'll mess with all of the rendered things in the SOP.
2026-02-02 16:38:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> go ahead with it
2026-02-02 16:39:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah you can add this section on t-1 day of branching
2026-02-02 16:40:30 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So have it merged before and change the relevant sections of the SOP to {branched} and {rawhide} instead of {rawhide} and {rawhide_next}?
2026-02-02 16:41:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> no have a prep pr for it before
2026-02-02 16:41:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> and merge it on branching day
2026-02-02 16:41:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> no extra work
2026-02-02 16:41:21 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Ah, gotcha, that makes sense. 👍️
2026-02-02 16:44:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> What about the Ansible playbook you wrote Samyak? We'll use it tomorrow and it replaces the entire `dist-git` section in the SOP?
2026-02-02 16:47:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah I put a dry run option on it, and we can do a stg test I added that in a doc with the changes
2026-02-02 16:48:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I understand that, only motivation is support branching when i'm far :3
2026-02-02 16:48:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, would be good to do a dry run today then and see how it does. ;)
2026-02-02 16:49:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thank you 🐥
2026-02-02 16:49:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and can it do a non dry-run on staging?
2026-02-02 16:49:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes 
2026-02-02 16:49:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> that would be good to do today too... just to make sure it works as desired.
2026-02-02 16:49:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah
2026-02-02 16:52:13 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> off topic: i never let anyone drive my car, but I hired a driver today so i can work but I guess I like this treatment too, should not get used to it tho lol
2026-02-02 16:52:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, can someone do those runs?
2026-02-02 16:52:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nice. :)
2026-02-02 16:54:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I cant promise :/
2026-02-02 16:54:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> atleast not today cantry tomorrow morning
2026-02-02 16:54:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> (my indian morning)
2026-02-02 16:54:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, I can look when I review the script I suppose.
2026-02-02 16:56:14 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Time check.
2026-02-02 16:56:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Choose next chair.
2026-02-02 16:56:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Next chair February 9th: ?
2026-02-02 16:56:45 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I can take next week too...
2026-02-02 16:57:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Unless someone else really wants it?
2026-02-02 16:57:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> go ahead
2026-02-02 16:57:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks for running today as well sir!
2026-02-02 16:57:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Next chair February 9th: Patrik
2026-02-02 16:58:03 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> good questions :D
2026-02-02 16:59:39 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Well, have a good rest of the day everyone.
2026-02-02 16:59:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks patrikp!
2026-02-02 16:59:59 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !endmeeting
2026-02-02 16:59:59 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming!