#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:00:37

!startmeeting i18n

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

08:00:40

Meeting started at 2024-02-19 08:00:37 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

08:00:40

The Meeting name is 'i18n'

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:00:44

!meetingname i18n

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:00:52

!topic agenda and roll call

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:01:08

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-02-19

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:01:19

<@pwu:fedora.im>

08:01:24

<@twinkle28:fedora.im>

08:01:26

<@mfabian:matrix.org>

08:01:28

😊

<@matiwari:fedora.im>

08:01:32

<@tagoh:matrix.org>

08:01:56

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:02:42

Hi all

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:02:51

Lets start today's meeting

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:02:57

!topic Upcoming schedule

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:03:14

!info Tue 2024-02-27 Bodhi updates-testing activation point

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:03:22

!info Tue 2024-02-27 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:03:27

!info Tue 2024-02-27 Beta Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:03:42

As you know Fedora 40 mass branching has been finished last week.

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:04:08

Hey

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:04:09

F40 daily composes are also now available for testing

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:04:25

Anyone tried?

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:05:16

have not had time yet, but will try later today for the GNOME 46 Beta test week, updated with dnf-systemupgrade on a laptop but have not really had time to use it yet, been sick and still are a bit sick

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:05:24

I have not tried as I was waiting for Silverblue compose which is now available, so will check it soon

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:06:30

There is Gnome testday going on this week. If anyone want to join, check this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-02-19_Fedora_40_GNOME_46_Desktop_and_Core_Apps

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:07:16

after that another testday http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-02-22_Fedora_40_GNOME_46_Apps

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:07:42

and after that start of March the i18n test day

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:07:56

https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/177

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:08:07

yeah but there is 1 week gap

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:08:17

yup

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:08:38

anything to discuss in this schedule topic?

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:04

if nothing then let's move to next topic

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:09

!topic Issues

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:15

!info #182: Tracker for Fedora 40 Changes (pnemade)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:19

!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/182

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:57

We got 2 Changes submitted this time

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:10:58

Both the changes are in Accepted state now :)

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:11:24

ibus beta is already built

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:11:37

Didn't check ibus-anthy

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:12:34

thanks for the update

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:12:42

anything to discuss here?

<@sshil:fedora.im>

08:13:04

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:13:55

I guess nothing then we move to next ticket

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:14:05

!info #183: Fedora 38 Bug triaging (pnemade)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:14:07

!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/183

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:14:20

35 total bugs count today

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:14:46

this is usual reminder ticket to work on your bugs

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:15:10

check the bugs assigned to you and see if you can fix or move to later releases for fixing

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:16:29

moving to next ticket

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:16:33

!info #184: Fedora 40 i18n test week (pnemade)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:16:35

!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:16:50

We have setup our Fedora 40 i18n testweek now

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:17:07

you can find more information about it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-03-05_I18N_Test_Day

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:18:02

Anyone got any questions here for this testing event?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:18:32

It's still Test Week?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:18:45

Okay you already said

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:19:31

GNOME test week is starting today, and the i18n one in two weeks

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:19:36

Maybe we can drop next time Test_Day word in test event wiki title page

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:19:49

so there will be no confusion

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:20:27

Ya, 2 in 1 🥲

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:22:58

let's move to next ticket

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:23:06

!info #185: Evaluate if we can have ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan (pwu)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:23:12

!link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:23:48

so are we still thinking to make ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan?

<@pwu:fedora.im>

08:24:14

I think I fixed two issues in ibus-libzhuyin...

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:25:09

thanks for fixing those issues Peng

<@pwu:fedora.im>

08:25:25

Welcome

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:26:23

Sorry but that doesn't really answer the question yet though 🙂

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:27:20

Maybe you can discuss with someone from Taiwan

<@pwu:fedora.im>

08:27:36

Right

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:28:36

Okay let's check update on this by next meeting then

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:29:58

I guess one advantage of yours is the input suggestions?

<@pwu:fedora.im>

08:30:24

Yes

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:30:35

Okay

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:33:06

let's move to next topic

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:33:35

!topic Open Floor

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:34:22

Can talk briefly about langpacks for Atomic Desktops?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:34:58

Sorry I don't have the link at hand right now - perhaps someone else?

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:35:00

would be interested in that as someone who work on a language (Swedish) :P

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:36:33

!info https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/sig/-/issues/14

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:36:37

travier came to the suggestion that we should install some hunspell dictionaries by default

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:36:41

Thanks

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:37:20

I have a few more comments I didn't post yet... But good to cover it here too first

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:38:11

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:38:17

Well actually I think it would mean pre-installing a selection of langpacks

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:39:06

And then re-enabling the auto installation for other langs

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:39:14

maybe let you choose in the installer, not used any Atomic desktops, or ask with a shell script or a popup or something after the install what languages you want?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:40:26

We don't currently pre-select any packages generally, but yeah that would be ideal

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:41:05

The language gui I have been dreaming of comes to mind...

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:41:35

But I don't think there's time for F40 anyway

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:42:19

Actually I want to ask again what the main concern with layering langpacks is

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:43:02

(I kinda paused the discussion during the branching and LNY)

<@bittin:fedora.im>

08:43:32

not had time to read and not really played with immutable distros yet

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:43:32

paragan and tagoh: what are your thoughts?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:43:56

All 3 of us use SB :)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:44:42

increase in size of media and installation is direct result if we include all langpacks packages

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:45:03

We can't include all I think

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:45:09

if we are okay with that then I think we can have langpacks as default installed for ostree

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:45:36

Okay so we need to choose subset from all the available langpacks packages?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:45:43

Perhaps

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:46:07

At least I fixed glibc now

<@tagoh:matrix.org>

08:46:07

If we have hunspell installed, can flatpaks really use it?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:46:20

I don't think so

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:46:29

It's a good point

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:47:12

Actually I would prefer to move it all to freedesk runtime!

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:47:20

Or equivalent

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:47:33

Something Fedora based

<@tagoh:matrix.org>

08:47:37

Yeah, that makes sense.

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:47:58

Though that's quite radical of course

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:48:21

Would actually be quite cool cos then can install fonts without a reboot

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:49:36

But we probably need some minimal system fonts? So it seems non-trivial

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:49:59

Maybe the new container boot is more appropriate

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:51:39

Anyway that's all long term

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:52:01

Guess I am more interested right now on the short term approach

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:52:12

Like what we do in F40

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:53:01

I think even langpacks-en is layered

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:53:49

Maybe we could just add for anyone who complains 😂

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:56:29

Any more thoughts?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:57:45

Anyway I guess I will restart the discussion - but if you feel it's going wrong please speak up

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:58:33

What I get is that we don't want all langpacks installed

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:58:46

and we are okay with some langpacks installed

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:59:11

Yes seems a reasonable compromise to me

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:59:31

I don't love it but better than all or nothing I feel

<@paragan:matrix.org>

08:59:42

so next question should be which langpacks packages should be installed default

<@juhp:matrix.org>

08:59:54

Right

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:00:02

That's the harder part

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:00:23

Maybe a selection from main gnome list? 🤷🏻‍♂️

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:00:45

maybe

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:01:05

Maybe a subset from main gnome list? 🤷🏻‍♂️

<@bittin:fedora.im>

09:02:29

also we are running out of meeting time

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:03:43

Okay

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:03:56

anything else to discuss on this langpacks topic?

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:04:37

Maybe we can continue in Fedora i18n

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:04:59

Needs some thought at least

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:05:13

Sure

<@bittin:fedora.im>

09:05:31

yeah or during next meeting in two weeks? up to you i guess

<@juhp:matrix.org>

09:06:20

(interesting can't edit last messages yet, maybe my connection)

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:07:33

Let's stop here then

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:07:45

Thank you all who joined this meeting

<@paragan:matrix.org>

09:07:58

!endmeeting