#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:00:25

!startmeeting fedora-server

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:26

Meeting started at 2024-04-17 17:00:25 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:26

The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:00:31

!topic Welcome / roll call

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:00:46

Welcome to our Server WG meeting today! „Same procedure as every year“ We'll give a few minutes for folks to show up

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:01:09

Hi, folks!

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:02:20

Hello

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:03:11

Hi Emmanuel. hi cooltshirtguy

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:03:59

Obviously, we are short of participants today. 😙

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:07:53

OK, we waited now 6 mins. What shall we do? Should we start anyway? We can't decide, we need to be more than 3 members.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:08:10

But we can discuss. ob course

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:08:36

Let's start. Maybe someone will show up. If not, we just talk

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:09:17

Honestly, I'm so worn out I'm not sure I up for deciding anything anyway...

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:09:24

OK, let's start.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:09:35

!topic Agenda

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:09:46

!info Follow-up actions & announcements

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:09:55

info Review installation media

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:04

!info LVM2 default configuration change

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:12

info Testing F40

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:22

!info Revisiting Server installation media naming convention

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:33

!info Our "story" for F40

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:41

!info Fedora Server goal(s) and "story" for F41 / F42

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:10:50

!info Open Floor

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:11:07

!topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:11:19

No open issue here

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:11:47

Again, what about Flock / Richmond in August?

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:12:02

yes, let's talk Flock

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:12:23

Emmanuel and I arfe planing to join, so far. What about you cooltshirtguy?

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:13:10

I guess, Kevin and Stephen will join, too.

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:13:11

I won't be able to make it

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:13:19

What a pitty.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:14:24

Well, I'll try to organize a meeting, maybe as hybrid if we have the technology available.

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:14:40

that would be great

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:15:19

Emmanuel, I have a plan for a talk. I'll send you tomorrow. I'm a bit late, unfortunately.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:15:54

No problem

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:16:17

OK. So let's go on.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:16:27

!topic 2. Review installation media

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:16:36

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/88

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:16:46

!!link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/N3ELOPUB2OSJ6N7BBT6VJGGYS3VBUUBC/

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:17:14

The question is, how to proceed. I proposed 3 possible alternatives.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:17:58

Any idea here? We can't decide today.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:18:21

I'm in huge favour of #1, FWIW

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:19:03

Yeah, may be the best option. At our next meeting F40 may be published - hopefully

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:20:17

OK, we skip for now and continue with next topic.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:20:30

!topic 3. LVM2 configuration & ARM SBC installation

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:20:39

!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:20:54

Mainly informational today. About 5 mins There is a response and explanation from the LVM maintainer. The matter works, but - as Vojtech Trefny put it - "unfortunately not thanks to the changes that I made". In the end, he did nothing. His attempts were unsuccessful. See the ticket above. And as far as I have seen, nothing has been changed in the kickstart file, too.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:21:11

I think we should close the case and enjoy the fact that it works now, for whatever reason.

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:21:24

agreed on that one

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:21:43

not the result I was hoping for but I'll take it

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:21:50

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:22:00

!agreed Server WG considers the case closed.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:22:11

!action pboy will close the ticket.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:22:23

!topic 4. Testing F40

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:22:34

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/125

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:22:43

!link https://hackmd.io/NtO4O9vRT3a71UMZMkceoA?both

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:23:07

What is the current state? As far as I know, everything works as expected. I assume we can close this topic, too?

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:23:51

I wanted to automate my tests for the following releases...

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:24:03

I'm good

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:24:33

Yes, we have to systematize the tests. Something for one of our next meetings.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:24:45

So:

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:24:48

!agreed Server WG considers F40 ready for publication and closes this topic.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:25:07

!topic 5. Revisiting Server installation media naming convention

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:25:17

!https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/126

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:25:48

I think, we should not decide today. But any comment on this today?

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:27:24

I really like offline/online terms

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:27:48

I like those too

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:28:33

Yes, I too. I hope we can make it for F41 that way.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:29:01

Well. let's it open for discussion and decide next meeting.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:29:11

!topic 6. Our "story" for F40

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:29:19

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/101

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:29:37

That's really a bit urgent.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:29:48

And we have to keep in mind, that we are supposed to write a release note about it. And probably initiate some other discussion, e.g. a blog post or a pod cast in cooperation with Fedora marketing.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:30:20

I had thought we would stick with ARM SBCs. That's where we have the most groundwork.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:30:34

Same here, to be honest

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:30:56

arm is a good idea

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:31:14

We can do something decent for F41 with Identity Management but F40 is coming up too fast

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:31:59

Yes, I've something back in my head, that we could write and present. I'll write it in the mailing list.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:33:46

I see no comment, at the moment.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:34:23

!agreed Regarding our "story" for F40 we stick sich ARM SBC.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:34:36

!topic 7. Fedora Server goal(s) and "story" for F41 / F42

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:34:45

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/134

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:34:55

!link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CYBDCSRVIIBDEL3ZQ2GY7XWWB2KIN63P/

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:35:13

That's the most important today.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:35:26

We have to start something about it soon.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:35:36

Time is running fast.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:36:56

Neil also opted for item d, identity server

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:37:28

Public File server (NFS/Samba) sounds like a nice option

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:38:11

Yes, do we have someone who is actually working with it? I'm currently all Web Service.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:38:15

I would have thought F was a done deal

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:39:34

Yes, we talked about it. And about a (Server VM as VPS), with is something I'm working on a bit

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:40:54

I use nfs but it's all internal

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:40:55

My workstation doubles as an NFS server that exports my music, video and audio books. If someone find this interesting, I can write about that

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:41:10

Hi John !

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:41:32

but I've never touched Samba in my life and this seems to be the only thing people use.

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:41:52

yea, there'd a couple that would be ok, d or e

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:43:04

I've done samba and nfs before. samba has been a while.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:44:16

Well, I think we need a short plan for each altgernative, about 5 - 19 sentences, specifically what the "product" or "outcome" should be.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:45:26

I can do it for a, Emmanuel, could you do it for d (identity), and cooltshirtguy and jwhimpel for e (file server). ?

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:45:35

On mailing list, I think.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:45:52

So we can discuss and imnprove it step by step

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:45:54

I will be glad to

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:47:06

do you want just client side or server side or both for nfs? Also, do you want how-to or high-level?

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

17:47:57

good question. high-level i would think.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:48:08

I think specifically server side, but a bit about client, too. And it is about how to configure server, more howto, i think

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:48:22

Stories seem to be high leevel

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:48:32

Stories seem to be high-level

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:49:01

As a first step, John, could you have a look on my NFS doku in staging? The problem is, I don't get it working. Something must be wrong

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:49:28

I'll look at it if you provide the URL.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:50:08

Emmanuell: yes, the story is high-level, but the "product" more or less howto

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:50:26

jwhimpel: https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/filesharing-nfs-installation/

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:50:59

Thanks. I"ll get to it either late Saturday or Sunday.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:51:25

If you have any input, I'ld love to hear it as well

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

17:52:46

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:52:48

Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:52:52

We have now narrowed this down to 3 alternatives. That is already a step forward.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:53:23

hi Fábio Ribeiro Welcome

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:53:41

Let's talk at the next topic (Open Floor)

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

17:54:05

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:54:18

Anything to this topic now? Otherwise we would proceed on the mailing list.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

17:54:43

jwhimpel, can you come to Flock?

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:55:20

Maybe. I should know in a week or two.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:56:06

@jwhimpel That would be great !!!!!!!

<@pboy:fedora.im>

17:58:42

I see no further comment? But jwhimpel is typing?

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

17:59:57

I'm becoming rather frustrated trying to match ARM SBC's and Fedora Server. The hardware that Server runs on is either not powerful enough or is a full-sized rack-mount board. It has taken several years to get Raspberry Pi 4 up and running and it is not powerful enough. Raspberry Pi 5 is out now, but the software (OS) isn't really ready yet. I know all of this is open source and work is done by volunteers, but something to run Postgresql and/or a mail server on as well as a system that can Wildfly/Nginx is not really there. I'm thinking of moving to N100 (X66/64) arch. </end rant>

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:01:20

@jwhimpel I just bought a N100 (Zotac ci 343). It's great!

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

18:01:25

Note that the above services would be okay on individual machines, but either the memory is too limited or the i/o is too slow.

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

18:01:43

I think very similar

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:01:53

I have to admit my ARM boards are for tinkering. All my production stuff is on Intel CPUs

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:02:21

And a Raspi it not powerful enough, but e.g. a Radxa Rock 3399 is. And it is cheaper as a Raspi

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:02:30

TBH, you're not supposed to run PostgreSQL on ARM SBCs.

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

18:02:51

I'm the same. PI4 for fun

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

18:03:37

There are all kinds of people

<@jwhimpel:matrix.org>

18:04:08

I will try to further flesh out my thinking for our next meeting.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:04:29

@jwhimpel I would like to compare a n100 and a Radxa Pi 4 (3399) and a Radxa model 5b. I think, you have some experience with performance tests?

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:05:08

OK, I think we should switch to Open Floor now :-)

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:05:23

!topic 8. Open Floor

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:05:53

it very much depends what you do. ARM and x86 are optimized for different things

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:06:17

Emmanuel, could you specify?

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:07:26

@farribeiro:matrix.org Welcome again. Do you specific questions or issues?

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:08:10

I've seen RPi5 beat N100 CPUs in some tests and get wasted in others

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:08:32

it really depends on what you're planning to run on it

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

18:08:38

I'm going to load Home Assistant on 1 of my Pi4s. Good for testing.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:09:22

Home Assistant - would be great! I want install it, too. But couldn't manage yet.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:10:00

Could be a great part of "Fedora Server as environment aware personal Server and NAS replacement"

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:10:38

Check out https://gladysassistant.com/

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:11:02

@eseyman ++1

<@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im>

18:11:18

Good find. I hadn't see that one

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:12:06

Anything else to discuss?

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:13:50

Nope. Let's wrap it up

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:13:55

OK. I see no further comment. We have already overdrawn and should close.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:14:28

So I close now. See you in 14 days, May 1st if I'm right.

<@eseyman:fedora.im>

18:14:40

See you then.

<@pboy:fedora.im>

18:14:45

!endmeeting