<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:00:47
!startmeeting Fedora Council Meeting
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
14:00:48
Meeting started at 2024-04-24 14:00:47 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
14:00:48
The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council Meeting'
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:01:00
!topic Roll Call
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:01:03
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:01:05
Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:01:39
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:01:42
Justin W. Flory (jflory7) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:01:51
Hello from somewhere on the US eastern seaboard :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:02:00
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:02:02
Matthew Miller (mattdm) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:02:23
Lynchburg, Virginia, apparently.
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:03:29
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:03:30
Robert Wright (rwright) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:03:49
!group members council
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:03:51
Members of council: Aoife Moloney, bt0dotninja, David Cantrell, FAS Fernando F. Mancera, Justin W. Flory, Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller, Robert Wright, smeragoel, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:03:55
Jona Azizaj (she/her): bt0dotninja dcantrell ffmancera Sumantro Mukherjee Akashdeep Dhar
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:04:02
!hello
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:04:03
hello everyone!
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:04:04
Akashdeep Dhar (t0xic0der) - he / him / his
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:04:20
I can mark Akash off my list :)
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:04:42
Please don't (Or do - what's the list about anyway?)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:04:44
Hopefully the others are en route
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:04:51
Being here :)
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:04:58
Ahh I see ;P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:20
Hope everyone is having a good week so far :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:23
It is a big week!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:26
F40 w00t! 🎉
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:28
🎆
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:05:55
Release day and release week and release month too because why stop celebrating... 🎉
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:06:12
The party will go on to May :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:06:17
And because there is no rest for the wicked, Elections are on!
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:06:33
I am around now!
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:06:34
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:06:36
FAS Fernando F. Mancera (ffmancera) - he / him / his
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:06:39
also no rest for the good. :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:06:48
Wicked _awesome_ people.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:07:10
nope, there is no rest at all, for anyone - you must schedule your rest .😅
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:07:45
That might be a good reminder that I am on PTO tomorrow :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:07:57
right while the rest of our esteemed council members trickle in, I will start announcing our ... announcements
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:08:19
!info Fedora Week of Diversity runs from June 17th to 22nd, 2024, featuring a series of interviews with community members sharing their Fedora stories. Additionally, we will host a virtual event on June 21st – 22nd, featuring talks, panel discussions and social activities.
CFP is already open Fedora Week of Diversity 2024 :: pretalx and everyone is welcome to apply by May 11.
This year’s theme for Fedora Week of Diversity is “Empowering Diversity, Enriching Communities.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:08:30
!topic Announcements
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:08:32
!info Elections are now open! The Nomination period has begun for FESCo, Mindshare, Council and EPEL Steering Committee seats. Visit the Elections documentation for more information and the elections schedule for key dates.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:09:02
!info Fedora 40 is now available! https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/f40/
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:09:48
Next, we will move to items in progress for a status check
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:09:59
!topic Status Check for items in progress
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:10:07
!info Council Hackfest Write ups
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:10:26
How are these progressing? I believe we are getting through them nicely
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:10:56
!topic Status checks
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:11:07
Oops, my message sent with a huge delay 🫣
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:13
its ok I got this :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:22
!link https://docs.google.com/document/d/18h6nna1vyFLM_TAvi-BoeTNIllEqj0yofZnF4REpfxE/edit?usp=sharing
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:11:36
Ack, will leave it to you :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:36
this is the shared doc we have been using for edits
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:11:41
I am working on the IRC/Matrix one this week. No draft yet but on my list.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:58
ack
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:12:04
Git forge is out, Elections is scheduled for tomorrow
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:12:45
Akashdeep Dhar: hows the bugzilla one coming? You had it for review, is it still in that part of the process?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:12:47
I am working on the IRC/Matrix one this week. No draft yet but on my list. I delayed it from the original timeline with the Matrix hosting mess, but I think we have a workable resolution there now.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:12:51
Done
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:13:01
dcantrell and I have been through the entire doc
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:13:05
Not just the Bugzilla
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:13:13
strategy post next part is 95% ready for next week
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:13:33
We are collaborating on the sheet too (beginning with the topics assigned to me first, of course)
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:13:40
I have started to work on the Mentored Projects Initiative post too
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:13:52
Oh, Matthew and I talked about breaking these up into smaller pieces
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:14:00
Staeting with the guiding star, then post for each Foundatipn
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:14:12
Starting with the guiding star, then an article for each Foundatipn
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:14:20
yeah it was getting huge anyway and this will make it easier
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:14:21
Starting with the guiding star, then an article for each Foundation
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:14:34
will post parts for council edit/review next week too
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:14:52
in the end we'll put it all togheter into one doc in the project/council docs space
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:16:26
!info The git forge evaluation is published, Strategy Update Pt.1 is published, Elections is due to be published tomorrow, Bugzilla is ready to be published, Mentored Projects is in progress, Stratrgy Update Pt.3 is in progress and IRC/Matrix will be started soon. We are over halfway to completing the hackfest write ups
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:16:35
Thanks everyone for that!
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:17:12
!topic Status Check in
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:17:26
!info Matrix hosted
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:17:45
Justin W. Flory (he/him): any updates for this one?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:17:54
Yes.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:18:10
!link for ref https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/487
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:07
!info We added 200 seats to our hosted EMS homeserver. This sustains us until August, when the contract is up for renewal. Ongoing conversations are seeing if EMS will renegotiate with us if we look at termination, and if not, then JWF is pursuing simultaneous conversations with Red Hat Open Source Program Office and Fedora Infra/CPE on self-hosting options.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:21
Nothing else right now, and I don't have anything that needs feedback for now.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:39
There was a lot of community discussion and feedback, which was really helpful to determine the right path forward for us.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:40
<eof>
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:19:47
Thank you very much for the update :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:20:11
!topic status check in - git forge evaluation
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:20:22
That ones me .. :/
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:22:30
!info amoloney has a ticket open with Fedora council to review initial set of Stakeholders and Decision Makers for the evaluation process https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/488 and is working with jednorozec from the CPE team to refine a timeline and milestones for the investigation to work against. The effort will be mainly CPE -led, with @amoloney supporting administratively
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:23:23
Thats all the things checked in on afaik. If there are other things that need status check ins, email them to me please on our email thread so I can add them to the agenda
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:23:32
!topic Discussions
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:23:50
!topic Trademark approval request
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:23:58
!link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/491
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:25:10
I think it should be "Fedora Miracle Desktop" or something. But other than that, +1
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:26:18
My hope was Miracle-WM or else "Fedora Miracle" is going to become a social media meme. Not sure if a good or bad meme.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:26:21
I have some comments on the change proposal, but that's for latter
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:26:41
Also, it might be more clear that we are not talking about 🌭
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:27:19
Nitpicks aside, +1 on the general request, I want to make it work :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:27:22
I'm not sure if "Miracle WM" is descriptive enough
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:27:32
For people who use WMs, they will key in on it
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:27:35
ALthough I guess tiling wm people might argue that it's _not_ a "desktop" metaphor
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:28:09
I like calling out a WM as a WM, because it is definitely not the traditional desktop experience
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:28:26
miracle-wm does seem to be the upstream name
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:28:41
If the SIG is okay with that, wfm
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:28:47
Whats a WM?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:00
And I'm a _little_ serious about suggesting that they include beefy somewhere in the visual design :)
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
14:29:07
😂
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:12
Exactly!
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:17
"Window Manager"
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:29:23
oooh
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
14:29:30
it's a thing hyper nerds use to make themselves feel like they're being more productive.
/me looks in the mirror
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:38
It's part of the graphical user interface stack that manages how application windows appear on the screen.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:29:40
thank you, the abbreviations can throw me sometimes
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:47
Where they go, how they are decorated, etc.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:30:00
Yeah, Neil is right, it is very specific jargon
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:30:21
Most often, they don't have a "batteries included" approach and a user has to do a lot more to get things that a DE (desktop environment) will offer
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:30:31
Full desktop environments like GNOME and KDE _also_ have window managers, but they're just part of the whole
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:30:47
(They are "mutter" and "kwin", respectively, ftr)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:03
Some Spins make it easier with some integration, but a lot of integration work is up to the user. Like how will you handle Bluetooth connections, connect to WiFi or a VPN, edit your display settings, etc.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:31:19
Ack. So can we get a vote to approve the trademark? Or do we want to go back to the requestor with some requirements we have before we approve it?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:28
Given this, this is the way I lean :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:31:40
What I particularly like here is that the primary developer is planning to do this in Fedora.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:48
I am +1 for Fedora Miracle-WM Spin
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:32:06
_This is what I've been hoping for for years_ -- instead of everyone with a new idea for a desktop environment _making their whole own distro_, we've got a place for them.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:32:23
I think we will still have to do the legal process before we can officially approve it, but we want to make sure the name we send to legal is the same name that the team wants
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:32:41
I'm +1 for "Fedora Miracle-WM", "Fedora Miracle WM", or any other "Fedora Miracle [reasonable descriptive word]"
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:32:50
exactly 💯
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:33:17
other council members? How do you feel about this request?
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:33:31
+1, no preference here.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:33:52
Or the request of the council to ask the SIG to rename to Fedora Miracle-VM?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:34:55
if no objections, I will try summarize and move to our next item :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:35:03
+1
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:36:11
+1 too, hello
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:37:05
!agreed The council would like to see this trademark request be renamed from Fedora Miracle Spin to Fedora Miracle-VM Spin (or other descriptive term) before submitting the request to legal, but are in favour of the request as a whole. If the name can be altered, this request will be accepted by the council and continue on through the process.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:37:32
!topic - Stakeholder and Decision Maker list
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:37:46
lets make this quick please, I want to give more time to the AI discussion
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:14
I have created a list of stakeholders and decision makers for the git forge evaluation https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/488
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:30
Im certain Ive missed groups, so I need your help reviewing them
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:38:49
Substitute WM for VM, but yeah, sounds good to me :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:54
Note: Decision Makers *are* stakeholders too and I will make sure to call that out more explicitly
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:39:23
Jona had asked to include DEI as a stakeholder I believe.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:39:50
Thank you Robert! will add that one in
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:53
This is the ask for the ticket?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:40:10
it is
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:40:29
and if there are any questions about the ticket, please ask them now
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:31
Cool. I can take a look after the meeting. I'll want to take some time to read the proposal and also think of other possible stakeholders.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:40:43
thank you!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:44
I likely need a bit more time to review and the AI discussion is more interesting to me
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:02
I have the tab open, will look at the ticket today
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:29
(I wish the Discourse bot still commented on the Pagure ticket with the Discussion URL, it is hard to keep tabs of the discussions)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:41:43
I need this done preferrably by next week please :()
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:58
(I wish the Discourse bot still commented on the Pagure ticket with the Discussion URL, it is hard to keep tabs of the discussions—mattdm, maybe you know the behind the scenes)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:42:05
!agreed The council will review the ticket for stakeholders & decision makers and add comments for any groups that may have been accidentally omitted. The deadline for the review is April 30th.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:42:18
Um, I'll look at what's broken
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:42:39
!Topic Discuss & Decide on a Fedora Council Policy on the use of AI-based tooling for contributions
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:42:47
!link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/486
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:43:04
👀
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:43:18
Akashdeep Dhar: want to start the ball rolling? :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:44:15
This is also likely the same conversation that dcantrell kicked off
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:44:34
Sure
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:44:35
From the ticket, this seems like the ask:
> As a member of the Fedora Council, I ask that we discuss and decide on a policy for the use of AI-based tooling for making contributions. These could include but are not restricted to things like the nature of AI-based toolings used, the ways that one could maintain contribution quality, the things contributors need to be wary of while making a choice and the implications of copyright and trademark laws when a certain such tool is employed.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:44:46
I know dcantrell has suggested a policy to specifically ban them for contributions.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:44:48
I will let Justin W. Flory (he/him) go first
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:13
I don't know if I have a firm proposal either, I am curious to get more eyes on this topic.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:17
I guess my wish would be this:
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:45
1. A statement that affirms that we believe AI tools for contributions are risky and should be avoided.
2. Do not make a policy.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:06
I am not sure I am totally comfortable with #1, but I am looking in a mindshare lens at it, not an engineering lens
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:17
Lots of people use generative AI as an assist for English, for example
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:46:30
The ticket is really two asks as well: "Our stance on Contributions being used in an AI model" and the "usage of AI models to create and contribute"?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:33
There are good and bad ways of doing that. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, as the old expression goes
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:46:34
My hot take: content _primarily generated by LLMs should be avoided. Content where LLMs are used for assistance can be okay (assuming it would _otherwise_ be okay).
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:46:46
Negative with 1 as well
Unless at least we state that we are investigating how we can make it easier or less riskier for folks to use assistive AI technologies for making their contributions
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:46:49
I _strongly_ think we should use more precise terminology than AI
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:54
Basically, this
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:47:20
Always human-reviewed
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:47:55
Despite what a weird cranky person arguing with me about this on mastodon says, there's a significant difference between LLM text-generation and, say, text-to-speech or speech-to-text.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:47:57
This is what I actually would want to underline most of all
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:48:05
Using it as a tool, not as a contributor substitute
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:48:21
I'm also really wary about the "license-washing" aspect of code-generation and image-generation AI.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:48:25
During the review period of Outreachy, ffmancera's project and our project was able to figure out the contributions that we made using generative AI so I do think that we are more than equipped to figure out what is and what is not an AI-assisted contribution
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:49:03
I think we should ask that image generation only use "ethically sourced" data -- public domain or otherwise explicitly licensed for use without specific attribution.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:49:05
I would almost _rather_ put out a statement about how we deal with generative AI over discouraging it. Like, how the approach and community model we have in Fedora is naturally resistant to poor-quality genAI contributions, because it would be the same as low-quality contributions _without_ genAI
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:49:18
It also gives us a more positive bend to encourage people toward
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:50:00
Here's another question, though: what do we do about _upstreams_ using generative AI? I don't think we can police that .
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:50:20
This could be code generation, but say for example some project has a logo they made with midjourney.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:27
Exactly, so in a statement, I would like us to talk about the maintainer model and how our contributors are always encouraged to make sure what we ship in Fedora aligns with our Freedom Foundation
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:51:17
Kinda makes me want to go back to the "what is contributor" problem - If we can define what a contribution looks like then we can also help define to what extent can someone use assistive AI to make those happen
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:51:23
As far as integration in Fedora goes, I am fine leaving enough alone.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:51:58
I think the definition I came up with actually works really well here
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:51:59
Is it a useful activity for us to figure out to what extent a contribution is supported by generative AI?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:52:24
No. That seems like a time-suck.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:53:02
I personally think that a statement on keeping an eye out for contributions of poor quality made with AI should be more than enough. Flagging of those contributions can help us decide what we should be wary against but doing this dedicated-ly seems to be a waste of time.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:53:38
Lets proceed with using that as a base to define to what extent of the usage of assistive AI is "okay" by us
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:53:48
For this statement
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:53:59
Seems actionable and we do seem to have a starting point
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:54:15
Yep
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:54:29
We seem to be aligning here, can we get an agreement? And maybe an owner and action item?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:54:47
I can give a go at writing a `!proposed`
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:54:54
yes please :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:55:02
this goes a bit outside my verbage :)
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:04
I can take this.
Please link me to the definition of "contribution/contributor" definition article.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:10
Or Justin W. Flory (he/him)
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:19
Fine with anything
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:55:31
Justin W. Flory (he/him): can you summarise? And Akashdeep Dhar can you take the action & ownership?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:55:40
Contributor Definition
A Fedora Project contributor is anyone who:
Undertakes activities
which sustain or advance the project towards our mission and vision
intentionally as part of the Project,
and as part of our community in line with our shared values.
(And “a contribution”, then, is any product of such activities.)
Explanation:
It has to be, you know, actually doing something. And, I like this to be plural — one drive-through might be a contribution, but to be (present tense) a contributor, it should be an ongoing thing.
And not doing just anything, but something that goes in the direction our project is all about.
An activity which is incidentally or accidentally a benefit to Fedora doesn’t count.
We’re not just a free-and-open-source-software-licensed project, but an intentional community with shared foundations.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:43
Works for me
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:52
mattdm++ :)
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:55:54
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<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:55:58
this part of next week's article
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:56:09
!proposed We do not want to write a policy about generative AI contributions. We do not want to create a policy about generative AI contributions in upstream projects. We want to write a statement about generative AI use in contributions in Fedora. The statement describes why the maintainer model in Fedora is important and why we care about getting the Freedom Foundation right.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:56:17
^^ Does this summarize?
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:56:32
Good enough for me
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:56:39
I think some key words here: "sustains or advances", " "intentionally", and "shared values".
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:57:26
I don't understand the first line
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:57:30
Sentence.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:57:33
Akashdeep Dhar: If you took the statement writing here, I think those two pillars are the topics of focus: maintainer model, Freedom Foundation (i.e. images and creative works)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:57:39
"We do not want to write a policy about generative AI contributions."
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:57:56
A policy like David suggested where the Council bans contributions with genAI
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:58:05
IS THIS GENERATED BY AI?
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:58:17
:p
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:58:18
No
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:58:27
We don't have enough information on you to feed to an LLM
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:58:31
2 mins folks ⏰
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:43
+1/+0/-1 folks?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:49
!group members council
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:58:50
+1
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:58:52
Members of council: Aoife Moloney, bt0dotninja, David Cantrell, FAS Fernando F. Mancera, Justin W. Flory, Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller, Robert Wright, smeragoel, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:53
+1
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:58:55
Explicit +1
<@bt0dotninja:fedora.im>
14:59:02
+1
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:59:04
+1
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:59:14
-1
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:59:30
hold on a second I'm writing a revision
<@farribeiro:matrix.org>
14:59:33
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:59:35
Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:59:39
I have to go to another meeting 😕
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:59:46
We likely need a full meeting for this topic
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:59:47
It is huge
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:59:52
Justin W. Flory (he/him): just catch up with the logs
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:59:57
Dontcha worry!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
15:00:00
Let's document the `!proposed` and revisit async on Discussion
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
15:00:12
+1
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
15:00:35
that works for me
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
15:00:43
Thanks all!
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
15:00:59
Aoife Moloney++ and Justin W. Flory (he/him)++ for chairing
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:01:06
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<@jflory7:fedora.im>
15:01:07
No, it was all Aoife :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
15:01:11
Aoife Moloney++
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
15:01:21
Justin W. Flory (he/him)++ because fresh F40 cookies
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:01:22
jflory7 gave a cookie to amoloney. They now have 35 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
15:01:27
!agreed The proposed statement for the AI ticket does not have consensus. A revision will be posted on discourse and/or the fedora council chat channel for further discussion & collaboration
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
15:01:29
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<@amoloney:fedora.im>
15:01:32
!endmeeting