2024-05-27 07:00:52 <@paragan:matrix.org> !startmeeting i18n
2024-05-27 07:00:55 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-05-27 07:00:52 UTC
2024-05-27 07:00:55 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'i18n'
2024-05-27 07:00:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !meetingname i18n
2024-05-27 07:00:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now i18n
2024-05-27 07:01:03 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic agenda and roll call
2024-05-27 07:01:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-05-27
2024-05-27 07:01:30 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> hi
2024-05-27 07:01:38 <@kanru:wara.tw> Hi
2024-05-27 07:01:42 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Hi
2024-05-27 07:02:40 <@paragan:matrix.org> Hi all
2024-05-27 07:02:47 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Hi
2024-05-27 07:02:56 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's start this meeting
2024-05-27 07:03:05 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Issues
2024-05-27 07:03:17 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #162: track Fonts component bugs (petersen)
2024-05-27 07:03:22 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/162
2024-05-27 07:03:35 <@juhp:matrix.org> hi
2024-05-27 07:03:46 <@twinkle28:fedora.im> Hi
2024-05-27 07:04:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> any update tagoh for ax86-terminus-ttf-fonts package review?
2024-05-27 07:05:14 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Yes, I've done the review and commented one feedback and updated. I'll give an approval for that.
2024-05-27 07:05:32 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thanks for the update
2024-05-27 07:07:01 <@paragan:matrix.org> This is the only bug we have today on Fonts component tracker
2024-05-27 07:07:10 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next ticket
2024-05-27 07:07:22 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #185: Evaluate if we can have ibus-chewing as default IME for Taiwan (pwu)
2024-05-27 07:07:29 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/185
2024-05-27 07:08:04 <@sshil:fedora.im> Hi
2024-05-27 07:08:16 <@matiwari:fedora.im> Hi All
2024-05-27 07:08:16 <@kanru:wara.tw> Proposal has been announced and it's in feedback period.
2024-05-27 07:09:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thanks Kan-Ru Chen for submitting this Change proposal
2024-05-27 07:09:19 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's check if we get some feedback on it
2024-05-27 07:09:29 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything else to discuss for this ticket?
2024-05-27 07:10:56 <@pwu:fedora.im> Hi
2024-05-27 07:11:09 <@paragan:matrix.org> if nothing then let's move to next ticket
2024-05-27 07:11:29 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #186: CJK relative font priorities (petersen)
2024-05-27 07:11:36 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/186
2024-05-27 07:12:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> do we have any further action items for this ticket?
2024-05-27 07:13:55 <@juhp:matrix.org> We had a little more discussion about this internally last week: from the Gnome perspective using envvar is not great, so maybe there should be some gsettings config to help control this
2024-05-27 07:14:38 <@juhp:matrix.org> That would require bringing the discussion upstream I suppose
2024-05-27 07:15:13 <@juhp:matrix.org> We had a little more discussion about this internally last week: from the Gnome perspective relying on envvars is not great, so maybe there should be some gsettings config to help control this
2024-05-27 07:15:47 <@juhp:matrix.org> Thoughts?
2024-05-27 07:16:47 <@pwu:fedora.im> fonts-tweak-tool?
2024-05-27 07:17:29 <@pwu:fedora.im> It uses FC_LANG environment variable...
2024-05-27 07:17:33 <@juhp:matrix.org> Right so fonts-tweak-tool can address this at the fontconfig level but I am not sure that is the correct place necessarily?
2024-05-27 07:17:54 <@tagoh:matrix.org> IMHO Using non standard applications doesn't help anything for most users.
2024-05-27 07:18:12 <@juhp:matrix.org> Right it's true
2024-05-27 07:18:31 <@tagoh:matrix.org> This isn't an enhancement but real issue we should address. we shouldn't use it for such.
2024-05-27 07:18:39 <@juhp:matrix.org> And users should certainly not have to set an envvar either
2024-05-27 07:19:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> Asking users to set an envvar basically means we have failed ;o)
2024-05-27 07:19:37 <@juhp:matrix.org> Just saying in general
2024-05-27 07:19:50 <@pwu:fedora.im> Oh
2024-05-27 07:21:21 <@juhp:matrix.org> Do we think a gsetting could help make progress?
2024-05-27 07:21:57 <@juhp:matrix.org> That in itself is trivial of course but question is how it would interact with the desktop/apps
2024-05-27 07:22:59 <@tagoh:matrix.org> it may be GNOME specific but somewhat. would be better than nothing.
2024-05-27 07:23:30 <@juhp:matrix.org> I more or less imagined it would "roughly" set the PANGO_LANGUAGE at desktop start but that might be too naive - also we don't need to elaborate a solution now or whether this is a meaningful direction or course for further discussion
2024-05-27 07:23:36 <@juhp:matrix.org> Okay 👍️
2024-05-27 07:24:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> I more or less imagined it would "roughly" set the PANGO\_LANGUAGE at desktop start but that might be too naive - also we don't need to elaborate a solution now but rather checking whether this is a meaningful direction or course for further discussion
2024-05-27 07:24:20 <@juhp:matrix.org> Yeah feel keeping the scope to gnome initially is simpler
2024-05-27 07:24:42 <@juhp:matrix.org> Eventually perhaps firefox could follow the gsettings or something for example
2024-05-27 07:25:10 <@juhp:matrix.org> We could also use the info for langpacks say
2024-05-27 07:25:56 <@juhp:matrix.org> (so it starts to slightly tie back to my original idea of wider i18n tool but this sounds more real and promising hopefully)
2024-05-27 07:26:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> I consider that we are still working on this issue and it needs some more discussion within team and with upstream community
2024-05-27 07:26:25 <@juhp:matrix.org> Yes
2024-05-27 07:26:34 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thanks
2024-05-27 07:26:50 <@juhp:matrix.org> We could probably approach gnome-settings-daemon say soonish?
2024-05-27 07:29:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> We could probably approach gnome-settings-daemon say soonish for discussion?
2024-05-27 07:29:58 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Pango first to have an API to apply a language, then gtk+ to access it through gsettings, finally gnome-settings-daemon to make it global in GNOME?
2024-05-27 07:30:30 <@tagoh:matrix.org> I could be wrong
2024-05-27 07:30:37 <@juhp:matrix.org> Okay so we should figure out the plumbing first then I guess
2024-05-27 07:31:21 <@juhp:matrix.org> I also worry about whether it really can be dynamic... ie runtime thing
2024-05-27 07:31:56 <@juhp:matrix.org> Usually when we try to change fonts dynamically "bad things happen" but
2024-05-27 07:32:45 <@juhp:matrix.org> Though if it could be made to work that way it would be exciting...
2024-05-27 07:33:40 <@pwu:fedora.im> Right, sometimes dynamically change may cause issues.
2024-05-27 07:33:55 <@juhp:matrix.org> But perhaps to could be limited to app initialization somehow 🤷‍♂️
2024-05-27 07:34:21 <@juhp:matrix.org> Maybe in gtk?
2024-05-27 07:34:47 <@pwu:fedora.im> I think it is a good idea to support only when app initialization...
2024-05-27 07:34:58 <@juhp:matrix.org> Someone will also need to implement it of course...
2024-05-27 07:37:37 <@paragan:matrix.org> Okay we can keep discussion later on also
2024-05-27 07:37:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next ticket
2024-05-27 07:38:07 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #188: Tracker for Fedora 41 Changes (pnemade)
2024-05-27 07:38:13 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/188
2024-05-27 07:38:46 <@paragan:matrix.org> Kan-Ru Chen: You can add your Change information to this ticket 
2024-05-27 07:39:00 <@paragan:matrix.org> anyone else planning any Change submission for Fedora 41
2024-05-27 07:39:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> anyone else planning any Change submission for Fedora 41?
2024-05-27 07:41:11 <@paragan:matrix.org> we still have 1 more month to submit System Wide Change 
2024-05-27 07:42:59 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's move to next ticket
2024-05-27 07:43:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #189: Fedora 39 Bug triaging  (pnemade)
2024-05-27 07:43:24 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/189
2024-05-27 07:43:40 <@paragan:matrix.org> We need to start looking into Fedora 39 bugs now
2024-05-27 07:44:04 <@paragan:matrix.org> Look into your assigned bugs and see if you can fix or move them to later Fedora release
2024-05-27 07:46:18 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss for this ticket?
2024-05-27 07:47:25 <@paragan:matrix.org> if nothing then let's move to next topic
2024-05-27 07:47:32 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Upcoming schedule
2024-05-27 07:47:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> As you know we are into Fedora Linux 41 development cycle
2024-05-27 07:48:06 <@paragan:matrix.org> so the upcoming development milestones are
2024-05-27 07:48:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Wed 2024-06-19 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes)
2024-05-27 07:48:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-06-25 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
2024-05-27 07:48:19 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info Tue 2024-06-25 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
2024-05-27 07:48:33 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything to discuss for this topic?
2024-05-27 07:51:01 <@paragan:matrix.org> I guess nothing to discuss here
2024-05-27 07:51:04 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move
2024-05-27 07:51:15 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-05-27 07:51:27 <@paragan:matrix.org> any topics to discuss here?
2024-05-27 07:53:44 <@paragan:matrix.org> I assume nothing to discuss here
2024-05-27 07:53:50 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's stop here then
2024-05-27 07:53:56 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thank you for joining this meeting
2024-05-27 07:54:01 <@paragan:matrix.org> !endmeeting