#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:41

!startmeeting Fedora DEI Team - 2024-07-18

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:00:43

Meeting started at 2024-07-18 13:00:41 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:00:43

The Meeting name is 'Fedora DEI Team - 2024-07-18'

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:49

!meetingname diversity

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:00:50

The Meeting Name is now diversity

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:53

!topic Agenda

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (1) Intros, welcomes, hellos

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (3) DEI Advisor updates to the team

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (2) Team announcements & news

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (4) Follow-ups from last meeting

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (5) Ticket-driven discussion

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:00:58

!info (6) Open floor

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:01:03

!topic Intros, welcomes, hellos

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:01:08

If you have questions before we start the meeting, now is also a good time to ask.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:01:08

If this is your first time at a DEI Team meeting, please say hello!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:01:10

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:01:11

Justin W. Flory (jflory7) - he / him / his

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:01:15

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:01:16

Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:01:30

Hey Jona Azizaj (she/her) 👋 Afternoon!

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:01:46

Good morning Justin W. Flory (he/him) 👋

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:02:14

We will give it a few more minutes to see what quorum we have today.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:03:14

Summer time feels quite 😅

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:03:29

*quiet

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:03:47

I feel there is a summertime lull in meetings too!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:04:02

Lots of people are out of office and taking time off

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:05:19

If it is just you and me today, we could spend some time thinking about the Flock hackfest.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:05:41

+100

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:06:19

OK. Let's just do that!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:06:32

I'll post the announcements for the minutes first

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:06:46

!info Present: @jflory7, @jonatoni

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:06:51

!topic Team announcements & news

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!link https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/142117

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!info === Please share your thoughts on AI/ML when it comes to Fedora, the survey is Live until July 31st! ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!info === Fedora Week of Diversity 2024 in numbers ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-week-of-diversity-2024-recap/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!info === Introducing the Fedora Community Operations Initiative ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-operations-initiative/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!info === To honor the memory of Mel Chua for the next generation of Fedora contributors, Justin compiled some stories and reflections on Mel’s impact on Fedora. ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:08:59

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/mel-chua/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:09:07

Thanks Jona for prepping all of these.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:09:28

Wow, that Meetbot is so spammy 😵‍💫

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:09:49

I forgot to add one about Flock 😅

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:10:06

Heheh, oh yeah, that is happening, isn't it? 😆

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:10:16

!info === Flock is coming very soon! ===

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:10:24

!link https://flocktofedora.org/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:11:01

!link https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-2024/talk/LU7U9C/

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:11:10

and If you are going to be onsite and want to help out, please fill out the Flock 2024 volunteer form https://forms.gle/Tqs4QkCNRqUL1X7L6

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:11:23

!link https://forms.gle/Tqs4QkCNRqUL1X7L6

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:11:35

super

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:12:13

Looking forward to Flock 😍

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:12:33

Me too 💝

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:12:48

I think that is all the announcements for now.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:13:12

!info No updates this week.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:13:12

!topic DEI Advisor updates to the team

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:13:13

hey Roseline Bassey 👋

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:13:18

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:13:19

Roseline Bassey (roseline-bassey) - she / her / hers

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:13:22

Hey Roseline Bassey! 👋

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:13:27

Hey, Jona

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:13:29

!info Present: @roseline-bassey

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:13:34

Hey, Justin

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:14:11

We were just about to look at the hackfest plan for the team at Flock.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:15:52

which reminds me that I need to open a ticket on GitLab about this

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:15:57

!topic Special topic: DEI Team hackfest at Flock

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:16:06

I was just looking for that 😅

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:16:09

It's alright though!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:16:14

We can triage a few things now.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:16:20

Here is our backlog:

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:16:28

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:17:05

I think #16, #18, and #34 could be good ones to focus on.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:17:27

But the question I am wondering is if we want to think about anything not being tracked currently

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:17:32

I want to spend time on docs there

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:17:54

But maybe we can also make a 2025 plan for our events, and also think about how to support more regional or DEI communities in Fedora

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:18:09

I was thinking of a brainstorming exercise too

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:18:22

I am thinking of #pride:fedoraproject.org and #region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:18:36

For sure. Maybe mapping out the year on a timeline?

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:05

yes, +1, this is connected of the brainstorming exercise

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:21

Q3/Q4 and next

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:42

same as we were discussing last time, what should we do next as a team apart events

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:20:38

Right. I'd like for us to think about one new program or effort in 2025, that directly ties into the DEI community part of our vision/mission

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:21:08

I think #pride:fedoraproject.org and #region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org could be two places where we have some momentum and can lean into more

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:21:18

I'd like to offer my support to the Fedora West Africa community when the time comes.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:22:00

+100

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:22:51

That would be awesome. I think one of our first tasks will be to think about how we can support more connections inside regions.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:23:23

I had a really interesting chat with a program manager working on All-In Africa, a mentorship program stewarded by GitHub

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:23:48

While it is a mentoring program, they have a really nice system for keeping people connected to others in their region

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:24:12

I am wondering how we can enable more of these kinds of regional connections, so there is less pressure on attending one global event a year to meet Fedora people.

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:24:24

I have seen that name pop up on my TL on twitter

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:24:46

And I see folks from my region being accepted into the program

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:25:03

will we have someone from [@fedora](https://matrix.to/#/#region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org) joining Flock btw

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:25:25

No, I don't think so 🙈

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:25:34

Are we looking at trying something similar to that?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:25:43

But we could use some of this time to brainstorm and prep for how a regional support structure could look like

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:25:52

I think this is what we want to explore.

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:26:14

hey, sorry to be late

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:26:38

yep, otherwise Flock won't be a a good idea to talk about it 😅

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:26:45

A little more about that here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/dei/#mission

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:26:55

It will be great to see this come to life.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:27:00

Hey Amita Sharma! 👋🏻

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:27:08

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:27:09

!info Present: @amsharma

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:27:45

Jona Azizaj (she/her): Even if we won't have someone present from that region, I think we can focus on how to advance this part of our mission further

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:28:09

I am just not sure if it is a mentoring program that we want to run, or something else like encouraging local meetups and events

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:28:32

I know we were thinking to do less events, lol. But maybe supporting local events from afar, like we used to do with Fedora Women's Day, could be an option

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:28:44

And the connection to events, even at the regional level, also ties into the vision/mission

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:29:09

yeah we need to figure out what works best for them - because each region is different too

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:29:18

yeah +1

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:29:25

I agree, and we won't be able to do it without some leaders on the ground to help coordinate.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:30:20

Yes, which is also why I think choosing a small subset of regions/communities to start will make it easier for us to start small and test the concept

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:31:01

One thing I like about regional events is that at least then, I can offer some kind of financial assistance for a meetup whereas with a mentoring program, it would be almost fully volunteer-driven

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:31:50

I agree. I think Outreachy has done some part in exposing more Nigerians to the Fedora community.

<@tosin_doreen:matrix.org>

13:33:10

Hi. Sorry to be late too. Missed all the notifications

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:33:58

Hey tosin_doreen! 👋🏻

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:34:10

!info Present: @tosindoreen

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:34:36

Shall we create a GitLab ticket about this topic, so we can have some async conversations there too?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:34:37

So then… thinking about a list of topics for this hackfest, here is what I am hearing so far.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:36:10

1. Docs (https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/18)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:36:10

2. 2024 Q3/Q4 and 2025 planning. Mostly looking at the virtual events we want to plan and execute.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:36:10

3. Brainstorm on the DEI communities part of our mission and how to advance this part of our work, perhaps with #pride:fedoraproject.org and #region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org as pilots

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:36:10

4. Maybe the events checklist?? https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/16

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:36:25

How does this sound as an approximate agenda?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:37:31

No. 4 largely depends on how much time the first three take. It may or may not be overly ambitious

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:37:48

sounds good +1 but not sure we will have time for the last topic

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:38:10

yeah I was thinking the same 😅

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:38:43

OK. So let's drop #4, and in the off-chance that we fly through all of the other topics, we can revisit that one.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:38:56

and we will have a short intro about our mission/vision and how our team works (GitLab/metrics)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:39:04

in case we have new people joining

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:39:31

not metrics, I meant meeting 🤦

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

3. Supporting DEI & regional communities

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

Agenda v2, this time in sequence:

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

1. Intro to team, our charter, and our workflow

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

2. 2024/2025 roadmap for events

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:40:11

4. Docs hacking

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:40:27

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:40:47

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:41:35

OK. Let's roll with this :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:42:07

!agreed Tentative agenda: (1) Team intro. (2) 2024/2025 roadmap for events. (3) Supporting DEI & regional communities. (4) Docs hacking.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:42:11

So…

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:42:52

Since Roseline Bassey and tosin_doreen are here and won't be at Flock, this feels like a good opportunity to ask about what kinds of ideas or resources you think would be needed to create more of a regional community for #region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org.

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:42:59

Can we also add - how one can help?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:43:11

This could also go for jnsamyak and Amita Sharma with regards to #region-saarc:fedoraproject.org.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:43:24

Amita Sharma: Not sure I follow what you mean?

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:43:49

for the agenda - if any other than team members attend

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:44:03

It will be good to share how they can help in this space

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:44:23

I am not sure though if non-members well participate

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:44:52

I am not sure though if non-members will participate

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:44:53

I would say organizing regular local meetups for a start

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:45:04

it goes to point 1 in the agenda

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:45:50

It is hard to say what attendance will look like, but it is a good idea to keep it open so that anyone can contribute meaningfully during the workshop. I think running the #2 and #3 exercises in a way where anyone can contribute is going to be important. Anyone can contribute ideas and feedback into how we are looking ahead to the future.

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:45:52

We can also partner with the OSCA fest community to introduce more people in my region to Fedora

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:45:58

Most of the hackfest will be us thinking about the future.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:46:29

Yes, this is one thing I have been thinking. I am wondering if it makes sense for it to be a _Fedora_ meetup, or if it should be under some other larger umbrella like open source, a programming language, or Linux generally.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:46:57

Using OSCA Fest as an activation point is also key. I wonder what it would take to make that idea of a booth/stand at OSCA Fest into a reality.

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:47:06

Hmmm. Thinking about this too

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:48:45

For something like this, something I think our team is well-positioned to do is to provide advice for events (which might inadvertently tie into that previous GitLab issue about event organizing checklist). We could also look at advice for staffing a Fedora booth, but perhaps that is more of a fit for Mindshare Committee

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:48:57

We could reach out to the program organizers. I think Ruth Ikagar and Sampson Goddy are great point of contacts

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:50:05

Ruth and Samson are great resources for OSCA Fest.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:50:11

Let me try and record some of these ideas!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:50:29

!info How could we better support our DEI and regional communities in 2025? What might we focus on at the Flock hackfest?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:51:08

!idea Local meetups as a starting point. Should they be Fedora-specific, or something more general? For example, open source meetup, a programming language meetup, a Linux meetup, etc.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:51:44

!idea Using major regional events as gathering point of local community members. For #region-africa-west:fedoraproject.org, this could be OSCA Festival. For #region-saarc:fedoraproject.org, this could be GNOME Asia.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:52:45

!idea We can leverage existing connections with local leaders and event organizers to help us coordinate a presence on the ground at these events.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:52:58

OSCA Festival and GNOME Asia would be great pilot events because we have some connections there

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:53:42

Any other ideas to throw down before we get to open floor?

<@roseline:matrix.org>

13:53:48

I am also thinking the ambassadorial program could be extended to include people from the West African region.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:53:54

It can be about the regional/DEI communities, or the hackfest generally.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:54:44

I don't think the existing Ambassador program excludes people from the region, but we also don't have any mentors from that region that someone could reach out for help getting involved with local events. The topic of regional mentors is an old one but an important one for something like this.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:55:30

!idea Extending the Fedora Ambassador program to West Africa. What does a regional mentor look like in 2024? What does a mentor do? What are their responsibilities? How can the DEI Team support regional mentors?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:56:03

I'd love to grow our roster of mentors more officially

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:57:03

great addition for the mentoring topic we are discussing as Council too

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:58:31

Exactly

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:58:39

OK folks, we are two minutes short of the end of our meeting.

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:58:44

!topic Open floor

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:58:56

Anything else before we wrap up for today?

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:59:38

since we don't have a GitLab ticket for the regional communities support I can create one, and add the ideas there

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:59:39

Do we need to do any pre-perp for hackfest?

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:59:51

Jona Azizaj (she/her): That would be super helpful!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

13:59:58

Amita Sharma: We just drafted the agenda here :)

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:06

I need to wrap to attend another meeting

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:10

Thanks folks for being here!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:23

Hope to see some of you soon. Otherwise, see you in the Fedora-verse!

<@jflory7:fedora.im>

14:00:24

!endmeeting