#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:00:10

!startmeeting Quality

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:11

Meeting started at 2024-09-30 15:00:10 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:11

The Meeting name is 'Quality'

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:00:16

!topic Roll Call

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:00:19

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:00:20

Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:00:41

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:00:43

Samyak Jain (jnsamyak) - he / him / his

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:01:03

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:04

Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:01:26

hiii jnsamyak

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:01:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:54

František Zatloukal (frantisekz)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:03:08

how's everyone doing

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:04:11

👌☺️

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:04:40

allllrighty, if frantisek's okay that's enough for me :P

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:04:43

let's get started

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:04:49

!topic Previous meeting follow-up

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:05:24

!info "kparal and adamw to work on common issues ahead of Beta release tomorrow" - we did that, I think we covered all the proposed ones, see https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/ask/common-issues/82

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:05:45

Aloha

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:05:56

"sumantro to draft a beta criteria requiring updates-testing to be enabled" - Sumantro Mukherjee i don't think you got to that yet?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:06:16

sojourns? what are we, a mid-1990s RPG?

<@derekenz:fedora.im>

15:06:48

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:06:50

Derek Enz (derekenz)

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:07:19

I rember them, yes :D

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:07:34

I remember them, yes :D

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:07:44

Can we get an #41 tag on the Raspberry Pi fails to update issue?

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:07:50

Er, #f41

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:09:00

i think Kamil Páral didn't want to carry tags forward forever, but not sure if that's the case for that issue or not

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:09:25

Brandon Nielsen: please provide a link

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:10:01

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f38-to-f39-40-dnf-system-upgrade-can-fail-on-raspberry-pi/92403

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:10:41

Brandon Nielsen: does it affect F39/F40 -> F41 upgrades?

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:10:55

yes

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:11:08

As far as I'm aware, unless the "fix" has been previously performed, likely during a previous update

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:11:26

ok, I'll add F41 tag and adjust the description

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:11:35

Thanks!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:11:40

yeah, i think that issue is likely valid forever, until we stop caring about pi 4s

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:11:51

(and i think someone said pi 5s don't have an rtc either? am i right about that?)

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:11:55

and then on pi 5s

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:12:06

you can connect an rtc there

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:12:15

Maybe it should just be documented "officially" somewhere?

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:12:15

but it doesn't have it by default afaij

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:12:26

sigh. raspberries.

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:12:42

but it doesn't have it by default afaik

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:12:51

If you care enough, you can convert RPi into a valid computer eventually, great...

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:12:54

I am on it. will be out by tomorrow. :)

<@nielsenb:fedora.im>

15:12:59

I guess I mean permanently, more than "officially"

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:13:00

awesome, thanks

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:13:25

!info "sumantro to draft a beta criteria requiring updates-testing to be enabled" - sumantro is working on this, it'll be done soon

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:13:38

"adamw and/or kparal to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets" - i don't think we got to this, did we, Kamil Páral ?

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:14:11

no, I wasn't even sure how it's supposed to sound like 🙂

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:14:42

i put you in the action because you had ideas during the meeting, iirc

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:14:54

let's just slap ourselves on the wrist and put it back for next time, i'll try and get to it

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:14:55

I only remember questions 😄

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:15:21

!info "adamw and/or kparal to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets" - we didn't get to this yet, we'll try and do it for next time

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:15:29

!action adamw to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:15:34

dropped you out, then

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:15:46

any further followup?

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:16:19

nothing from me

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:17:07

alrighty

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:17:09

!topic Fedora 41 status

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:18:38

well, everything seems smooth enough atm

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

15:19:19

the only spin unconfirmed for final is astronomy

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:19:26

I am still not sure if we should ask more people to try dnf4 plugins with dnf5

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:19:38

!info 41 seems to be rolling along fairly smoothly, GNOME 47.0 is in, KDE 6.1.90 (6.2 beta) is in

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:19:45

Aoife Moloney: thanks

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:20:16

Sumantro Mukherjee: how do you mean "try dnf4 plugins with dnf5" exactly? upgrade and see if the plugins they use are still available with dnf 5?

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:21:10

there were some issues for people with mesa-freeworld (from rpmfusion) due to llvm 18 x 19 clashing, but that should be sorted now

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:21:39

yeah, i saw that bug

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:22:22

(ref for the chat: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2314931#c10 )

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:22:24

upgrade and then https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/libdnf5_plugins/actions.8.html

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:23:20

by upgrade you mean system upgrade? from release to release?

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:23:36

or dnf upgrade?

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:24:02

release to release + trying out plugins which go with a command set ex https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dnf5_plugins/index.html

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:24:30

dnf5 repoclosure --repo rawhide --arch noarch --arch x86_64

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:24:32

František Zatloukal: i think we're talking 'upgrade to f41' here, since f41 is where you switch to dnf5.

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:25:23

but the upgrade process is handled by dnf4 from 40 to 41,so we would care more as 42 approaches, right?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:25:59

František Zatloukal: well, no, there's a known thing with the plugins moving around so after upgrade you don't necessarily have the same ones installed

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:26:06

it was a proposed beta blocker

<@frantisekz:fedora.im>

15:26:22

ah, that thing, okay

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:26:26

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2309697

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:26:31

^^ this bug

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:27:18

probably worth keeping an eye on for sure

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:27:46

adamw , should we do a test day alongside upgrade test day

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:27:58

or merge test cases with upgrade test day ?

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:28:12

as this will affect all upgraded systems

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:29:20

i think testing it as part of upgrade test day is a good idea

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:31:24

copied!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:33:13

alrighty, anything else on f41?

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:34:32

nothing from my end

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:36:39

!topic Test Day / community event status

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:36:43

Sumantro Mukherjee: you have the floor :D

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:37:20

which usually wont be caught in regression

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:37:20

Kernel 6.11 test week is underway;https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-09-29_Kernel_6.11_Test_Week. We have added Exploratory testing to record findings

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:38:05

The FCOS 41 testweek starts on 2024.10.07 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_41_CoreOS

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:38:26

and So does IoT http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-10-07_Fedora_41_IoT_Edition

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:38:42

I will add an upgrade and virt test week

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:39:18

Side note: KDE 6.2 gets tar'd up on Oct 3rd. We will get it in Fedora quickly.

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:39:34

KDE Plasma 6.2, that is

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:40:01

Atomic test week got added by travier https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/791 🎆

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:40:40

we will try to run this one as a recurring event with all support from community

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:41:50

KDE regardless of how things go on council end, I might line them up for a test week as well :)

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:41:53

EOM

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:42:41

Conan Kudo: I will get in touch with you for a test day(s) soon :D

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:42:58

sweet

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:43:16

!info kernel 6.11 test week is underway at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-09-29_Kernel_6.11_Test_Week

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:43:38

!info FCOS and IoT test weeks starts 2024-10-07 at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_41_CoreOS and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-10-07_Fedora_41_IoT_Edition

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:43:47

I'm hoping that once I can convince upstream KDE to align closer to our schedule, we can actually make test weeks predictably scheduled for KDE Plasma

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:43:54

!info an Atomic test week has been proposed and is being worked on at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/791

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:44:00

slow going, but I'm optimistic about that

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:44:01

also...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:44:02

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:44:24

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:44:52

Ahh, optimism, it really does make the modern world go round! XD

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:45:05

it's pretty much the only way things happen :)

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:46:06

Ugh KDE will also have frameworks 6.7 released on Oct 11th

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:46:59

....and gear....

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:13

!info KDE Plasma 6.2 release is timed tightly against our release schedule, Conan Kudo will try to co-ordinate that, we may need to grant FEs

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:20

urgh

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:23

!undo

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:47:33

still not implemented

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:37

fun

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:44

!topic Open floor

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:47:51

but yes, we're going to likely be piling the FEs if needed

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:47:51

!info previous info about KDE was meant for this section

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

15:48:00

hello

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

15:48:10

I voted on the tickets at blocker review

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:48:16

FEs are not a big deal though, it should be fine

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:48:32

If Conan Kudo agrees, I'm thinking of getting Plasma built before freeze, and Gear/FW will prolly need a FE.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:49:01

yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:49:08

though October 11 is before October 15

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:49:13

we might be able to swing all of it

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:49:58

It is possible. I'm leaving the door open for that ofc

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:50:34

Conan Kudo: any update on KDE aarch64 testing efforts? (/me hasn't checked recently)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:50:49

I believe Steve Cossette [Farchord] actually started setting up for this last week

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:50:57

he bought hardware that just arrived for him

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:51:16

is it some of the release blocking hardware, ideally?

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:51:31

Yeah it's up. I'm trying to get guidance from #quality:fedoraproject.org to see if using a custom kernel blocks me from doing tests...

<@derekenz:fedora.im>

15:51:48

Is it just Snapdragon?

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:52:00

Nope OrangePi 5 plus

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:52:13

in my case, I'm trying to dig into my hardware collection to see if anything works still

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:52:23

I burned out a lot of equipment when I did btrfs development in 2020

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:52:29

using a custom kernel isn't *ideal*...why do you need one?

<@kparal:matrix.org>

15:52:34

I doesn't block you from testing, but it doesn't say anything about release blocking hardware status

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:52:47

No video otherwise. HDMI out is slated to be functional in 6.12

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:53:07

mm. yeah, testing on raspi is kinda ideal since we figure that's the most used real-world platform

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:53:10

KDE kinda stinks without video out XD

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:53:31

And even right now I don't have full hardware acceleration

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:54:06

I found a couple of RPi4 platform devices at home, I need to buy new SD cards for them (and an SD card reader, as apparently mine no longer works)

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:54:18

People in #arm:fedoraproject.org have been helping me with it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:54:36

I don't know if the devices work either, but we'll see

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:55:00

there's also a couple of folks in Fedora Asahi who I've asked to do Fedora KDE AArch64 testing on RPis

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:55:25

they've helped out in previous cycles and even helped during the beta to fix that kwin/wxwayland/initial-setup bug

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:55:33

they've helped out in previous cycles and even helped during the beta to fix that kwin/xwayland/initial-setup bug

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:55:39

Conan Kudo: if I send you some $ with an amazon gift card would that expedite things?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:55:46

lol

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:56:04

only if I have to buy another RPi

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:56:16

I can walk to my best buy and get sd cards and such

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:56:47

lmk I'm willing to help if it's needed

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:56:54

I want us to get this testing on the road

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:57:13

Conan Kudo: can you send steve one of the spare pis, if they turn out to work?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:57:33

it'd be faster for me to just give him money to buy one

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:57:56

oh, they're readily buyable now? i guess people moved onto the 5s

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:58:00

yeah shipping it to canada would prolly be pricy

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:58:01

yeah

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:58:06

the 4 series is back in stock

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:58:14

anyhoo, blocker review in 2 minutes

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:58:17

even in canadia? :D

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:58:20

the 5 series is too, but it's basically DOA on Fedora unless you use Ultramarine

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:58:45

which is something I'm going to have a conversation about with people

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:58:56

because the 5 series is way more interesting

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:59:04

https://www.pishop.ca/product/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-8gb/?src=raspberrypi huh still $100CAD

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:59:04

as you can run things like GPU cards on it

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:59:10

But it's in stock

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:59:16

which will let us actually test GPU drivers on AArch64

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:59:45

last i heard peter's working on it but doesn't expect it to be usable before 42

<@farchord:fedora.im>

15:59:45

That's why I got me an orangepi tbh, it's pretty decent hardware

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:59:50

anyhow, we're out of time

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:59:56

let's continue this elsewhere

<@jrelvas:fedora.im>

15:59:56

GPU drivers? what a luxury

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:59:59

blocker review :D

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:00:00

thanks for coming, folks!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:00:18

!endmeeting