#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:01:02

!startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2024-10-07

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:01:03

Meeting started at 2024-10-07 13:01:02 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:01:04

The Meeting name is 'NeuroFedora - 2024-10-07'

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:01:05

!meetingname neurofedora

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:01:06

The Meeting Name is now neurofedora

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:01:13

!link https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2024/09/23/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-07-october-1300-utc.html

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:01:22

!topic Introductions

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:01:25

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:01:26

Ankur Sinha (ankursinha) - he / him / his

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:03:50

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:03:51

Abdujabbar Bozdar (abdujabbar)

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:05:28

!info

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:08:47

Cool, let's proceed with the agenda

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:04

!topic Tasks from last meeting

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:10

!link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-09-23/neurofedora.2024-09-23-13.00.html

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:30

!info Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions -> WIP

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:33

!action Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:49

!info Ankur merge dcmtk PR and build deps -> WIP (impact check in progress)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:51

!action Ankur merge dcmtk PR and build deps

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:07

!info Ankur fix remaining vxl issues and get new version to build: still WIP (more patching required) -> ready to go: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/vxl/pull-request/2#

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:18

Penguinpee ask Maxwell about orphan package e-mails (for pmix)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:22

Penguinpee: you around?

<@music:fedora.im>

13:10:37

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:10:38

Benjamin Beasley (music) - he / him / his

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:12:19

I do see that pmix is not orphaned any more, so the issue is solved anyway: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/pmix

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:12:43

Ankur close python-sciris review if we do not get a response till next meeting (07 October)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:13:46

no response from either submitter or reviewer for the review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2254733

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:13:49

so I've closed it now

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:13:52

(again)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:14:16

!info Ankur close python-sciris review if we do not get a response till next meeting (07 October) -> DONE (closed, no response from submitter or reviewer)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:14:51

Abdujabbar (and everyone), please do stop me if I go too quickly or if anything is unclear :)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:15:15

we have the same agenda each time so I've sort of optimised how to run through it :D

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:15:29

!topic Open Pagure tickets

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:15:33

!link https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:15:42

!info No new pagure tickets

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:15:55

the one on vxl will be closed soon, once I merge the PR and build stuff

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:16:18

!topic Package health check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:16:22

!link https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:20:42

!info ITK was FTBFS, but mtaska fixed that by backporting an upstream patch: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/InsightToolkit/c/01d48a7aa75b7d52a725082e2292e9e57882f61b?branch=rawhide

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:20:57

mtasaka++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:20:59

ankursinha gave a cookie to mtasaka. They now have 3 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:22:03

!info once the vxl update goes through, we should be able to update ITK to the latest version too

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:22:20

Ya, I understand that. My position is of an observer today. 😃

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:22:21

!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1340300

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:27:57

You are making good use of Meet Bot, and I don't know what else is automated here. Nearly everthing should be as we are in the neuro meeting, after all.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:27:57

Other than that, I see a few updates, and a few longer term issues

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:28:16

!info Packages are in good shape---a few updates (packit!) and a few longer term issues that we need to work on when possible

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:28:34

!topic Open package reviews check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:28:41

!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:28:56

please click the "show advanced" button to see the tickets that block this tracker bug

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:29:55

!info 4 tickets are waiting for revie

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:30:10

I can review one of the snakemake plugins now

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:31:57

!info the vascpy reviews arent ready because it doesn't build with py3.13 any more: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2283110#c3

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:17

!topic CompNeuro lab compose status check for Fedora 41/rawhide

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:25

!link https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:42

!info ✅ : comp neuro ISO is building fine

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:55

!topic Neuroscience query of the week

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:03

I put in a few things in the channel recently

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:06

let me go get them

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:37

!link https://womeninneuroscience.wixsite.com/winuk/post/psychedelics-from-ancient-rituals-to-modern-medicine

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:34:07

!link https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03190-y

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:34:35

!info "Largest brain map ever reveals fruit fly’s neurons in exquisite detail" (this is a big deal!)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:35:02

!link https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07976-y

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:35:15

!info "Bendable non-silicon RISC-V microprocessor" ^

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:36:15

that's all I have for this time in the form of news

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:36:39

!topic Next meeting day, and chair

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:36:57

!info Ankur may be in a work meeting on 21st so may not be able to chair---we'll confirm closer to the date

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:37:12

!topic Open floor

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:37:20

Anything that wasn't on the agenda can be discussed here

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:38:42

Otherwise I'll close the meeting in ~5 minutes :)

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:39:41

Is it always like this? One man meeting?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:39:55

usually Penguinpee and music are around, but it depends

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:40:13

I tend to run through the agenda even if I'm alone so that we do our 2 week check on packages and stuff

<@music:fedora.im>

13:40:21

I am mostly around but have had little to say.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:40:34

OK.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:40:44

it's more a status check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:40:55

sometimes we have bugs etc. that require discussion, not today :)

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:41:07

I wanted to see how things go in a Fedora meeting. I am glad to be here.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:41:21

ankursinha gave a cookie to abdujabbar. They now have 1 cookie, 1 of which was obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:41:23

Ya, I noticed that.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:41:42

I read some chat history.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:41:48

before joining here.

<@music:fedora.im>

13:42:50

I’m still tracking the need to get snakemake up to date since they started bundling assets for HTML reports. With the passage of https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3269, we can ship pre-compiled CSS, and https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3177 and https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Node.js/ already allow us to ship pre-compiled JavaScript, but not without conditions. Auditing those bundles for license texts of bundled code has been a big job.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:42:53

Thanks for the cookie, and how I'll make use of that? 😆

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:43:39

yeh, I can imagine---i hope all the licenses you've found so far are "not troublesome"?

<@music:fedora.im>

13:43:56

They are fine so far, it’s just a sprawling mess.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:43:57

It increased my confidence level, though. 😆

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:44:00

you get badges from them at https://badges.fedoraproject.org/ :)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:44:23

have you come up with a method to do it all, or is it just manually going through them one by one?

<@music:fedora.im>

13:44:33

The good news is that upstream merged my initial PR to reference specific releases in license URLs, https://github.com/snakemake/snakemake/pull/3098, and they reacted positively to my draft PR to add zillions of license texts, but there is more to audit. https://github.com/snakemake/snakemake/pull/3099

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:44:40

I throw licensecheck at things first, and Penguinpee pointed me to scancode-tools (I think?)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:45:08

an active upstream always makes life somewhat easier :)

<@music:fedora.im>

13:46:11

Totally manual, because each library is different. In some cases I can look at the upstream `package.json` and find NodeJS dependencies (and their dependencies and so on to get the whole dependency tree). Those are all potentially bundled – but then I look at the bundle to see if there is actually any code from the dependency, or if it was omitted due to tree-shaking.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:46:40

ugh, that sounds like a lot of work..

<@music:fedora.im>

13:47:08

In other cases, code is just copied in, or there are comments in the source code saying things are “copied/taken/derived from” or “based on” something, and where possible I am tracking those down too.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:47:10

I'm not a fan of the node ecosystem..

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:47:20

Oh, the badges are usually missing. My focus is on programming for Fedora, so I would keep a spreadsheet.ods of my contributions. And pagure.io is also good to keep a record. Fedora devs were also testing some gitlab instances a couple of weeks back.😃

<@music:fedora.im>

13:47:38

In those cases there is manual work to dig through history and try to infer what version is bundled.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:47:59

badges needs a bit of an overhaul---the frontend/backend are old and need someone to update them. I think commops/mindshare do have it on their list

<@music:fedora.im>

13:48:05

It is an absolute nightmare, to be honest, but it’s technically feasible, and we’ve put a lot of work into snakemake so far, so…

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:48:20

yeh

<@music:fedora.im>

13:48:27

If they were updating their bundled assets frequently I think I would still have to write it off.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:48:59

an easy way is to keep a blog where you write about what you do (and add it to the Fedora planet: https://fedoraplanet.org)

<@music:fedora.im>

13:49:16

Anyway, it’s not my top priority, but finishing it up is on my list.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:49:47

I have written about my tuned test week experience already.

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:50:27

But it is not on fedoraplanet.org

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:50:38

yet

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:51:34

music: i just approved snakemake-executor-plugin-flux

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:51:46

I'll review the other one now too while I'm at it

<@music:fedora.im>

13:51:59

Thanks!

<@abdujabbar:fedora.im>

13:52:20

👏

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:53:05

Cool, let's close the meeting and head back to our channel. Someone may have a meeting here after us

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:53:07

!endmeeting