2024-10-28 07:01:37 <@paragan:matrix.org> !startmeeting i18n
2024-10-28 07:01:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-10-28 07:01:37 UTC
2024-10-28 07:01:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'i18n'
2024-10-28 07:01:43 <@paragan:matrix.org> !meetingname i18n
2024-10-28 07:01:43 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> hi
2024-10-28 07:01:44 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now i18n
2024-10-28 07:01:50 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic agenda and roll call
2024-10-28 07:01:54 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Hi
2024-10-28 07:01:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2024-10-28
2024-10-28 07:02:26 <@matiwari:fedora.im> Hi
2024-10-28 07:02:30 <@sshil:fedora.im> hi
2024-10-28 07:02:48 <@twinkle28:fedora.im> Hi
2024-10-28 07:03:00 <@tagoh:matrix.org> Hi
2024-10-28 07:03:35 <@paragan:matrix.org> Hi all
2024-10-28 07:03:51 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's start today's meeting with our Agenda topics
2024-10-28 07:03:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Issues
2024-10-28 07:04:03 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #188: Tracker for Fedora 41 Changes (pnemade)
2024-10-28 07:04:11 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/188
2024-10-28 07:05:15 <@paragan:matrix.org> As you know this time we got only 1 Change for Fedora 41, that Change has been implemented and tested successfully as well as part of our i18n test week
2024-10-28 07:05:38 <@paragan:matrix.org> now this Change need to be documented as part of release-notes as well
2024-10-28 07:05:45 <@paragan:matrix.org> the ticket is open already
2024-10-28 07:05:56 <@kanru:wara.tw> Hi
2024-10-28 07:06:32 <@pwu:fedora.im> Hi
2024-10-28 07:07:07 <@kanru:wara.tw> Anything I need to do as the change owner?
2024-10-28 07:07:55 <@paragan:matrix.org> this ticket has the needed information https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/fedora-linux-documentation/release-notes/-/issues/131
2024-10-28 07:09:02 <@paragan:matrix.org> Kan-Ru Chen: So either you can submit or docs team will take release notes contents from Change page
2024-10-28 07:10:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything else to discuss for this ticket?
2024-10-28 07:11:59 <@paragan:matrix.org> I assume nothing more to discuss here.
2024-10-28 07:12:06 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #189: Fedora 39 Bug triaging  (pnemade)
2024-10-28 07:12:11 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/189
2024-10-28 07:12:49 <@paragan:matrix.org> we still have some bugs open against Fedora 39 release
2024-10-28 07:13:31 <@paragan:matrix.org> Today's count is 37 now
2024-10-28 07:13:44 <@paragan:matrix.org> Last date to resolve them is 26th Nov
2024-10-28 07:14:23 <@juhp:matrix.org> Are there any we should discuss?
2024-10-28 07:14:51 <@paragan:matrix.org> well individual assignee can better access if they find it important to fix
2024-10-28 07:15:54 <@paragan:matrix.org> well individual assignee can better assess if they find it important to fix
2024-10-28 07:18:26 <@paragan:matrix.org> So does any assignee think they need more time to fix any of these bugs?
2024-10-28 07:19:12 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info bug list link https://da.gd/cpMB
2024-10-28 07:20:58 <@paragan:matrix.org> we still have one month time so try to triage them
2024-10-28 07:21:08 <@paragan:matrix.org> Let's move to next ticket
2024-10-28 07:22:14 <@paragan:matrix.org> !info #196: default IME for Hong Kong (F42) (petersen)
2024-10-28 07:22:21 <@paragan:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/196
2024-10-28 07:23:14 <@juhp:matrix.org> Yeah thought we should discuss this 
2024-10-28 07:24:09 <@juhp:matrix.org> mfabian: around too?
2024-10-28 07:25:00 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Yes, I think we could add ibus-cangie. 
2024-10-28 07:25:32 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Probably best to install both ibus-cangie and ibus-table. 
2024-10-28 07:26:05 <@juhp:matrix.org> I suppose an additional question is whether we should install by default - we don't really have hard criteria I think 
2024-10-28 07:26:24 <@juhp:matrix.org> Well not both by default anyway imo
2024-10-28 07:27:07 <@juhp:matrix.org> I would prefer to choose one if possible 
2024-10-28 07:27:11 <@mfabian:matrix.org> I think it would be nice if both were available when using a Live image. 
2024-10-28 07:27:24 <@juhp:matrix.org> Hmm
2024-10-28 07:27:40 <@juhp:matrix.org> Why?
2024-10-28 07:28:52 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Currently there is none of them on the live image, of I remember correctly, because I made a mistake in comps. 
2024-10-28 07:29:23 <@juhp:matrix.org> Right earlier we didn't install by default 
2024-10-28 07:29:49 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we have an open ticket about language criteria 
2024-10-28 07:30:07 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Would it be OK to have only ibus-table on the live image and install ibus-cangie later when zh_HK is used? 
2024-10-28 07:30:24 <@juhp:matrix.org> Yes it would 
2024-10-28 07:30:30 <@juhp:matrix.org> Or vice versa
2024-10-28 07:31:18 <@juhp:matrix.org> At least assuming it doesn't violate hypothetical criteria 
2024-10-28 07:31:21 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Then I would prefer that, install ibus-cangie later and keep ibus-table the default. 
2024-10-28 07:31:54 <@juhp:matrix.org> But ibus-cangjie asking for it
2024-10-28 07:32:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> But ibus-cangjie people asking for it
2024-10-28 07:32:28 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we need to compare perhaps 
2024-10-28 07:33:23 <@mfabian:matrix.org> We removed ibus-cangie from the default because it was crashing, I fixed the crash but upstream appeared dead when I submitted my fix. Maybe upstream has raised from the dead and is active again? 
2024-10-28 07:33:43 <@juhp:matrix.org> Seems so
2024-10-28 07:34:07 <@juhp:matrix.org> That could be part of the conversation 
2024-10-28 07:34:50 <@mfabian:matrix.org> If it is active, and most users prefer it, I would not mind making it the default. 
2024-10-28 07:35:53 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we can respond in Bugzilla - I should probably post the issue there too
2024-10-28 07:36:11 <@juhp:matrix.org> Anyway should really be done as a Fedora Change 
2024-10-28 07:36:29 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we can respond in Bugzilla - should probably post the issue there too
2024-10-28 07:36:34 <@mfabian:matrix.org> Yes. 
2024-10-28 07:37:30 <@juhp:matrix.org> Any other thoughts?
2024-10-28 07:38:03 <@juhp:matrix.org> fujiwara pwu: ?
2024-10-28 07:39:23 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> I know the ibus-cangjie crash issue but anyone didn't report it and I assumed there aren't many users.
2024-10-28 07:39:44 <@juhp:matrix.org> There's a new version in fedora
2024-10-28 07:40:19 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> It would be another issue.
2024-10-28 07:40:28 <@pwu:fedora.im> I think it need a Fedora Change and discussion.
2024-10-28 07:41:02 <@juhp:matrix.org> fujiwara: I mean the crash is old, but I get your point 
2024-10-28 07:41:20 <@pwu:fedora.im> Maybe some polling in Fedora Discussion first.
2024-10-28 07:41:31 <@juhp:matrix.org> Obviously if it is still buggy we won't change 
2024-10-28 07:41:44 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> It would be good to keep the current status until users report any issues. I don't think it's the important issue.
2024-10-28 07:42:05 <@mfabian:matrix.org> I also wondered if there are many users because nobody seemed to complain when it was crashing. 
2024-10-28 07:42:06 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we can take a similar approach to how we handle ibus-chewing
2024-10-28 07:42:15 <@juhp:matrix.org> I think we can take a similar approach to how we handled ibus-chewing
2024-10-28 07:42:25 <@juhp:matrix.org> Hmm
2024-10-28 07:42:53 <@juhp:matrix.org> So maybe it's not such a priority to install by default 
2024-10-28 07:43:38 <@juhp:matrix.org> Well a discussion would be good - I agree with pwu
2024-10-28 07:43:39 <@tagoh:matrix.org> There are no objective comparison even in bugzilla. they should mention what/why ibus-cangjie is better than ibus-table.
2024-10-28 07:44:26 <@juhp:matrix.org> Right we need to ask
2024-10-28 07:44:54 <@mfabian:matrix.org> If ibus-table has some shortcomings, I would like to know what exactly and improve it. 
2024-10-28 07:45:40 <@juhp:matrix.org> Okay let's start the conversation 
2024-10-28 07:47:17 <@paragan:matrix.org> thanks for having this discussion
2024-10-28 07:47:22 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next topic
2024-10-28 07:47:34 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Upcoming schedule
2024-10-28 07:48:17 <@paragan:matrix.org> Fedora 41 is getting released tomorrow
2024-10-28 07:48:41 <@paragan:matrix.org> so tomorrow our Fedora 41 development will be complete
2024-10-28 07:49:44 <@fujiwarat:matrix.org> Fortunately ibus 1.5.31 RC1 is now in the  stable repo.
2024-10-28 07:50:55 <@paragan:matrix.org> let's move to next topic
2024-10-28 07:50:57 <@paragan:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-10-28 07:51:03 <@paragan:matrix.org> anything else to discuss here?
2024-10-28 07:53:53 <@paragan:matrix.org> if nothing more to discuss, let's stop here. 
2024-10-28 07:53:59 <@paragan:matrix.org> Thank you for joining this meeting
2024-10-28 07:54:03 <@paragan:matrix.org> !endmeeting