<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:04:14
!startmeeting Fedora Community Blog editor roundtable
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:04:15
Meeting started at 2024-11-20 16:04:14 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:04:15
The Meeting name is 'Fedora Community Blog editor roundtable'
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:04:22
!topic Welcome and `!hi`'s
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:04:23
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:04:25
Justin W. Flory (jflory7) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:04:59
We are starting a bit late today… so going to see if we have quorum or not.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:05:03
!group members community-blog
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:05:05
Members of community-blog: Aoife Moloney, bt0dotninja, jflory7 (@jflory7:fedora.im, @fca:fedoraproject.org), Oluwakanyinsola Obadeyi, lenkaseg, Matthew Miller, Consolation Obazee, Roseline Bassey, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar, Oluwatosin Olatunji, Michal Konecny
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:08:11
Might just be me today 🥲
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:08:44
I will call it at :10 minutes after.
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:08:55
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:08:58
Michal Konecny (zlopez)
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:09:10
I'm here, you are not alone
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:09:15
Hey Zlopez! 👋
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:09:47
Well, it might just be two of us. We can probably run a shorter meeting. There is something I want to ask you though, and see what your thoughts are :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:10:01
!topic Present: @jflory7 @zlopez
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:10:10
!topic Future of the Community Blog
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:10:38
Zlopez: Maybe you read the back-scroll in this room a bit, but maybe you saw that I am intending to step back as editor-in-chief of the CommBlog and end my role as an editor.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:10:42
I had an idea though.
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:11:06
I assume you have plenty of other responsibilities as well
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:11:18
We still need a channel for contributor news. I wonder if an old-school blog is not the best tool anymore. I was thinking Fedora Discussion could be a better home for the future of community-focused news?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:11:33
The Fedora Magazine is running steady, but it focuses a lot more on users and the general public
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:11:42
The CommBlog was always focused at talking to the contributor community
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:11:58
And I am thinking, using Fedora Discussion is probably the most logical choice to continue doing this
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:12:26
I was meaning to ask mattdm what he thought about this and whether we could have a curated news tag or category on the site. I lean towards a category to make the curated content stand out more from any other tag.
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:12:39
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:12:41
Adrian Edwards (moralcode)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:12:53
Yeah, and unfortunately, I am making some big misses on other important things I need to keep up with 😕
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:13:00
Hey Adrian!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:13:10
!info +Present: @moralcode
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:13:17
I don't think that is a bad idea, the commblog articles are forwarded to discussions anyway
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:13:29
Anyways, this is my pitch. Is it spicy? Controversial? Boring? :P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:13:41
Exactly
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:14:02
And when I accidentally mass-edited all the posts, it created a copy of every single Community Blog post in the history of the blog on Fedora Discussion
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:14:06
They are all horribly out of order
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:14:11
But the content is there
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:14:25
I'm just not sure what could be missing that people are used to in community blog and how the editor work will work there
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:14:52
I feel like Fedora Discussion is a more accessible tool, and in a way, more democratic. Anyone can author content, and we can move things to an elevated category/tag very easily
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:15:19
For example I'm consuming RSS feed of community blog, I didn't checked if that is possible for discussions
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:15:26
makes sense to me, Shorter form stuff -> discussions, longer form stuff or stuff that needs lots of editing -> link to personal blog from discussions or put on fedora magazine
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:15:39
discourse has RSS feeds, although i havent used them
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:15:45
I am also aware that the upstream WordPress situation is… also spicy. And unfortunately, we are an impacted customer of this.
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:15:50
I need to look into that
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:15:55
Oh, good point. Yes, we want RSS feeds.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:16:11
Do you know a `!link` to any docs for this? Off chance.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:16:16
Me too
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:16:31
this is the first thing i saw in a search: https://meta.discourse.org/t/finding-discourse-rss-feeds/264134
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:16:40
And to expand on the idea, I think the existing pool of editors today can evolve to become moderators of the category/tag.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:16:51
And they can help wave content through that means our common standard.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:17:09
So this helps us in curating a useful feed of info, but it is not so totally open that anyone can spam our whole community at once
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:17:20
!link https://meta.discourse.org/t/finding-discourse-rss-feeds/264134
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:17:46
That would probably work and it will be probably easier, we don't really need the featured images for discussions posts and SEO optimization
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:17:47
review/editing process isnt something im familiar with on discourse but its sounding like its possible?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:18:16
Adrian: Think of a review being more like adding a +1/-1 review on a PR.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:18:21
Except, it is a Fedora Discussion topic :P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:18:32
Yes, exactly, no more featured images
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:18:39
Of course, images are great and wonderful
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:18:45
But it is easier to not require them
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:18:53
I would maybe announce that on community blog and ask people for feedback first
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:19:10
Maybe we will find that people will miss something when we do the change
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:19:41
You are right that it is good to communicate early and often.
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:19:42
i wonder too if this could fold nearly into some kind of "how to get started with fedora" flow for new contributors, like build on them joining discussions.fp.o and have the blog thread be how they get news
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:19:56
So, I really do have a lot going on right now… I could probably write this post before the end of the year.
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:20:14
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:20:14
so maybe something similar can work for the RSS on discourse
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:20:14
also ive seen a bsky acct for fedora that just seems to autobridge blog posts from fp.o (there are none though)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:20:22
Yep. I would love as a common onboarding step for people to opt into notifications in this category/tag
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:20:24
like anything that gets through gets promoted on socials near-automatically
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:20:36
But I also want it to be easier to discover in the category/tag hierarchy than just another tag
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:20:41
It needs to stand out visually
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:20:57
Might be a good future intern project :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:21:03
rss2socials
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:21:04
:P
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:21:45
honestly its prob closer to a weekend project, theres a fair bit of infra and community stuff around bsky and their open protocol
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:22:08
honestly its prob closer to a weekend project, theres a fair bit of infra and community stuff around bsky and their open protocol, including mastodon bridges
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:23:29
Well, maybe we can put a mercenary wishlist out for some community communications projects 😁
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:23:37
u werent that far off: https://codeberg.org/nesges/rss2bsky
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:23:38
In either case, I am not hearing anyone retching at this idea
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:23:51
Which is good for now, but does not mean there is unanimous consent 😆
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:24:09
So, I can take an action item to draft this post… but that is going to take the largest chunk of my time for all CommBlog things.
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:24:09
I can probably write the article and send it for review
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:24:21
yeah fair. would also need marketing team buy in and someone to control the account
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:24:42
Zlopez: I am more than happy to collab on a draft, if you take the lead. Editing is way easier for me than starting it fresh actually.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:24:57
Adrian: Yep. Needs more conversation. Good idea, but we need to get more buy-in on it :)
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:25:01
OK
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:25:16
Mind if I write this into an `!action`?
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:25:42
Go for it
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:25:46
Zlopez: What sounds like an ideal timeline / deadline for you?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:25:52
Next roundtable? Or in two weeks?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:01
Actually, I wouldn't mind cancelling next week's roundtable
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:06
It is the day before US Thanksgiving
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:22
And I am packed full of meetings that day. I could use a little time to do work that is not meetings 😅
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:26:24
Next roundtable sound good
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:29
So, two weeks for the final draft is good for me
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:33
Perfect
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:26:37
Here comes the `!action`
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:27:24
i could maybe do a light editing pass too if that helps. im not doing any major travel for the holiday
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:28:06
!action @zlopez Draft an article requesting feedback on a proposal to sunset the Community Blog and deprecate it in favor of using a curated Fedora Discussion category for community news and announcements. The existing WordPress site would be set to read-only, or would use redirects to send readers to Fedora Discussion. Existing editors would become category moderators for vetting content for inclusion on the curated news category.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:28:29
!action @jflory7 @moralcode Provide editing support to @zlopez on the Community Blog deprecation plan
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:28:37
Let me add this to my Todo list
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:28:53
!info Deadline: Next editor's roundtable on 4 December 2024.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:29:28
!info Suggested to skip the 2024-11-27 meeting because of proximity to US Thanksgiving, and who doesn't need one fewer meeting anyways? :-)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:29:47
Zlopez++ I really appreciate you stepping up and helping with this. Seriously, you are awesome.
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:29:48
jflory7 gave a cookie to zlopez. They now have 110 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:30:08
Adrian++ You too, although I am already out of cookies for you this cycle :)
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:30:09
jflory7 has already given cookies to moralcode during the F41 timeframe
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:30:16
Doing my best -)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:30:30
Oh, nice. And now I can say… FIRST! 😎
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:30:51
First after 41 release, yay 😃
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:31:00
🎆
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:31:03
🍪
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:31:26
OK. We are at 30 minutes past, but I feel like we have a lot to do from here already.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:31:38
We also need to get other editors aware of this change too, but I can help with that as we work on a draft.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:31:55
A draft is always easier to start a conversation than something more open-ended, especially in the Fedora community :D
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:32:07
That is true
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:32:20
So, I am okay to wrap early!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:32:26
Does anyone else have other topics to cover?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:32:39
I know we didn't take a look at the queue.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:33:13
A quick review does not show me anything pending: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/workflows/community-blog-review/79
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:33:14
honestly might be good to go into the migration with a small queue to kickstart the new place
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:33:19
I'm OK with that as well
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:33:23
honestly might be good to go into the migration with a small queue to kickstart the new system
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:33:34
Adrian: The Council will have a slew of git forge updates coming soon :P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:33:38
A great beta tester topic 🤣
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:33:45
sounded like council was planning to post stuff too
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:33:52
Heheh yep.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:33:55
ALL the git forges.
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:34:01
saw those briefly since you pinged me
<@irradiated_lemming:matrix.org>
16:34:07
saw those briefly since you pinged me in the council meeting haha
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:34:20
And fedora infra is creating weekly reports
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:13
I think the weekly reports are a _great_ thing to move into Discourse
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:26
That will provide some useful content for us to try out the new workflow too
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:29
So I am all for it!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:38
OK folks, I am going to give you 10 minutes back!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:43
Thanks for being here and joining for the discussion.
<@Zlopez:matrix.org>
16:35:45
It was originally just a mail to mailing list
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:35:56
Have a great rest of your `$TIME_OF_DAY`!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:36:08
I like the column :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
16:36:11
!endmeeting