2024-12-11 18:00:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server 
2024-12-11 18:00:05 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-12-11 18:00:04 UTC
2024-12-11 18:00:06 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server '
2024-12-11 18:00:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2024-12-11 18:00:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.
2024-12-11 18:00:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment  for everybody to show up.
2024-12-11 18:02:54 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> !hi
2024-12-11 18:02:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Himpel (jwhimpel)
2024-12-11 18:03:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi John!
2024-12-11 18:03:31 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Peter Boy: I got connected to sisyphos this AM.  Thanks for the help.
2024-12-11 18:04:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, it was a busy weekend and the last 2 days to get everything running again
2024-12-11 18:10:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are still a bit 'understuffed'. I hope mowest is still commuting and will join us soon. 
2024-12-11 18:12:40 <@mowest:fedora.im> !hello
2024-12-11 18:12:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Steve Daley (mowest)
2024-12-11 18:12:52 <@mowest:fedora.im> I will be in and out 
2024-12-11 18:13:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, thanks, so let's start.
2024-12-11 18:13:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2024-12-11 18:13:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2024-12-11 18:14:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Server user poll
2024-12-11 18:14:19 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Cockpit boot message
2024-12-11 18:14:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2024-12-11 18:14:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Work program and goals
2024-12-11 18:14:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Open Floor
2024-12-11 18:15:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's start with this if  there is no addition
2024-12-11 18:15:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> ?
2024-12-11 18:15:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2024-12-11 18:15:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> no new open actions.
2024-12-11 18:16:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2024/
2024-12-11 18:16:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add / announce here?
2024-12-11 18:17:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> Obviously none.
2024-12-11 18:17:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2. Server user poll 
2024-12-11 18:17:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/145
2024-12-11 18:17:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> Review of the current state
2024-12-11 18:17:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Unfortunately, due to several hardware failures last Friday, I was so busy the last few days that I couldn't deal with it. So, where we are?
2024-12-11 18:17:53 <@pboy:fedora.im>  
2024-12-11 18:20:06 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Last week, I called it up for  viewing.  It looked okay to me.  Since i was doing this before "Opening Date", I did not submit any data.  Is JWF or anyone else able to give us usage data on a regular basis?
2024-12-11 18:21:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> I don't know about the current status, unfortunately. mowest did you receive some infos from Justin?
2024-12-11 18:22:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> And yes, as far as I know you can get info about the data while the poll is running. But I don't know the details how to get it.
2024-12-11 18:23:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> But I think Justin will help us.
2024-12-11 18:26:18 <@mowest:fedora.im> I submitted last Wednesday the newsletter article for comment, haven't received anything back. Was it okay? I think we just need to notify Fedora Magazine to publish the article and have marketing get the news out over social media after article goes live.
2024-12-11 18:28:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> I read the article, but couldn't manage to review and reply. On a first sight it might be a bit short for FedMag. And before we publish we have to be sure the poll is uop and running.
2024-12-11 18:30:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I can read the proposal again tomorrow. And maybe I have some ideas about what to add.
2024-12-11 18:30:50 <@mowest:fedora.im> I believe the poll at the address in the article is up and running. 
2024-12-11 18:31:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> To me it looks the same as last week? Did you see any indication about the status?
2024-12-11 18:32:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> Do you have the link at hand? It's burried here
2024-12-11 18:32:52 <@mowest:fedora.im> My impression was that is the final status 
2024-12-11 18:33:33 <@mowest:fedora.im> No I don't have link handy on phone not at computer.
2024-12-11 18:37:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> The link is  https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/fedora-server-f41 
2024-12-11 18:39:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, I think we should try to ask Justin, to be sure. And I'll respond on mailing list about the article. At the moment, we are stuck, I guess.
2024-12-11 18:39:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> So, let's continue with next topic for now. Any objections? 
2024-12-11 18:40:34 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Let's move on.
2024-12-11 18:40:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic  3. Cockpit boot message
2024-12-11 18:40:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/OBGW2T3BR75L3DE3XNHVYERJR3CYRCYI/
2024-12-11 18:40:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> =================================================================================
2024-12-11 18:41:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> We had a longer discussion on mailing list. Anything to add here?
2024-12-11 18:41:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> All WG members who participated voted to keep the message. Any other ideas here?
2024-12-11 18:42:13 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I bellieve Martin Pitt has decided not to make the change (see his email from today)
2024-12-11 18:43:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, nevertheless, we should make a decision here, formaly. It is our matter.
2024-12-11 18:43:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> 
2024-12-11 18:43:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> I would prefer it even more if the graphical user interface were explicitly emphasized.
2024-12-11 18:43:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> Instead fo simple "Web console:"  something like "Graphical Web console:"
2024-12-11 18:43:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> Not that anyone will get the idea that it is simply a web based text terminal (which is also present, of course).
2024-12-11 18:43:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Nevertheless, I think there is no objection here. Therefore
2024-12-11 18:43:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposed !agreed Regarding bug 1635200, WG agrees to keep the current Cockpit informational message. 
2024-12-11 18:44:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any objection?
2024-12-11 18:44:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> 3
2024-12-11 18:44:15 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I agree
2024-12-11 18:44:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> 2
2024-12-11 18:44:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> 1
2024-12-11 18:44:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed Regarding bug 1635200, WG agrees to keep the current Cockpit informational message.
2024-12-11 18:45:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> next topic
2024-12-11 18:45:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic  4. Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2024-12-11 18:45:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/138
2024-12-11 18:48:17 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> It appears that f41's move from dnf to dnf5 has caused my ansible modules some heartburn.  It appears it was not a 100% backward compatible upgrade.  First indications also suggest that handling "changed when" and "failed when" might be somewhat different in f41.  I am still researching those issues.  Since sisyphos came back online very recently, I have been able to resume testing.  May be able to commit changes to the repository later today.  Certainly by tomorrow.
2024-12-11 18:49:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, I was bitten by some incompatibilities of dnf5, too. 
2024-12-11 18:51:02 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I will send a message to the ML when the commit is completed.
2024-12-11 18:51:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> But OK, let's have a look in the comming days. I'm in the process to prepare the information to make an Ansible playbook to set up an advanced mail service. I would like to use your work as a model or template.
2024-12-11 18:51:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, let's move on.
2024-12-11 18:51:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic  5. Work program and goals
2024-12-11 18:52:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> Maybe, we should skip this now. We miss a lot of our members today.
2024-12-11 18:54:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> I wold like to have an open discussion about this and probably to check and collect, what each of us would like to work on. As an example, I would like to continue with Fedora Server in a virtualized environment and I would like to make a  'Home Server' spin specifically for SBC / Raspberry.  And I hope others may have additional ideas.
2024-12-11 18:55:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, let's move on for now.
2024-12-11 18:56:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 6. Open Floor 
2024-12-11 18:56:32 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Nothing from me for Open Floor
2024-12-11 18:56:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so let's close for today. 
2024-12-11 18:57:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Many thanks for coming and bye bye!
2024-12-11 18:57:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting