2025-02-12 15:01:34 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !startmeeting Council Meeting 2025-02-12
2025-02-12 15:01:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-12 15:01:34 UTC
2025-02-12 15:01:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Council Meeting 2025-02-12'
2025-02-12 15:01:38 <@smilner:fedora.im> jednorozec++
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2025-02-12 15:02:11 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:02:12 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !group council
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2025-02-12 15:02:28 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi
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2025-02-12 15:02:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Cant remember that command
2025-02-12 15:02:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> oh well :)
2025-02-12 15:02:45 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-02-12 15:02:47 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:02:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2025-02-12 15:02:55 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:02:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sumantro Mukherjee (sumantrom) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:03:51 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> !hi jasonbrooks
2025-02-12 15:03:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jason Brooks (jasonbrooks) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:04:02 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi 
2025-02-12 15:04:03 <@asamalik:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:04:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin W. Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:04:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Samalik (asamalik) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:04:46 <@mattdm:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:04:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Matthew Miller (mattdm) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:05:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im unsure if bookwar  is still on PTO, possibly, so we will continue with who is here now 
2025-02-12 15:05:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Agenda Stuff
2025-02-12 15:06:55 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-12 15:06:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> FAS Fernando F. Mancera (ffmancera) - he / him / his
2025-02-12 15:07:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info We have a number of items to discuss today - reviewing the draft of Flock cfp helpful tips and tricks, we need owners for summaries of all the f2f topics, and make sure everyone is ok with their ticket assignments.
2025-02-12 15:07:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Flock to Fedora CfP Helpful Tips Post
2025-02-12 15:08:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ages ago we decided to post something to help folks connect their talk proposals with the cfp themes. I sent you all a link to the google doc I drafted. Can we get this published  this week, asap please?
2025-02-12 15:09:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PFhUwvAR7KbYv3tb8Q5Rw_Rl9JSZryptoDSisCRkQfg/edit?usp=sharing
2025-02-12 15:09:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Apologies everyone for the closed link - council members have access, but as its a working doc its not publicly shared yet :/
2025-02-12 15:10:22 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I really want this out this week, by Friday - anyone have any objections?
2025-02-12 15:10:38 <@mattdm:fedora.im> is this for posting to Discourse, or Fedora Magazine?
2025-02-12 15:10:43 <@mattdm:fedora.im> (or Community Blog)?
2025-02-12 15:10:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> both, all. A billboard if we could :D
2025-02-12 15:11:42 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Needs an editing pass, but I'm +1 to the content
2025-02-12 15:11:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im creating a proposal statement, if we agree I will turn it into an !agreed statement
2025-02-12 15:11:53 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I hear you can get those for cheap in some states...
2025-02-12 15:13:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposal Council members will review, edit and sign off on the Flock to Fedora CfP Tips and Tricks post by end of their working day on Thursday 13th February (tomorrow). It will be posted to the Community blog, Discourse and Fedora Magazine on Friday 14th February. @amoloney will own executing the posting part.
2025-02-12 15:13:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> please +1, or counter propose
2025-02-12 15:13:48 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2025-02-12 15:13:54 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> +1
2025-02-12 15:13:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1
2025-02-12 15:14:00 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> where do you want us to sign off on the doc?
2025-02-12 15:14:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Good question!
2025-02-12 15:14:25 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> +1
2025-02-12 15:14:32 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ill add in a comment at the end and you can comment +1 to it
2025-02-12 15:14:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Friday is a holiday in some European countries, or at least parts of Germany. I wonder if it is better to hold until the golden Tuesday slot
2025-02-12 15:14:39 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ill take that as a formal ack then
2025-02-12 15:14:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> No
2025-02-12 15:14:50 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Post post post
2025-02-12 15:14:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (but keep the Thursday review) 
2025-02-12 15:14:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> we can repost if needed on  tuesday :)
2025-02-12 15:15:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Fair. I won't block 
2025-02-12 15:15:23 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah, post post post. we can do a social media reminder on Tuesday.
2025-02-12 15:15:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> As a note, I will be OOO tomorrow so I will try to get a review in today 
2025-02-12 15:16:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> theres 4 +1's
2025-02-12 15:16:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> mattdm: asamalik bookwar ?
2025-02-12 15:16:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> oh sorry and mine, so 5 +1's
2025-02-12 15:18:02 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I am still on PTO till the end of the week, but +1 from me
2025-02-12 15:18:13 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Oh, yes. +1
2025-02-12 15:18:38 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Things only need three +1s and no -1s to pass :) 
2025-02-12 15:18:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im meeting Adam tomorrow so i am going to liberally assume +1 too :p
2025-02-12 15:18:51 <@asamalik:fedora.im> +1 
2025-02-12 15:18:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !agreed Council members will review, edit and sign off on the Flock to Fedora CfP Tips and Tricks post by end of their working day on Thursday 13th February (tomorrow). It will be posted to the Community blog, Discourse and Fedora Magazine on Friday 14th February. @amoloney will own executing the posting part.
2025-02-12 15:19:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Council Hackfest Summary Write Ups
2025-02-12 15:20:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Last year we wrote summaries on each topic we discussed, which was a bit heavy but is the right thing to do for transparency and to give more context to our live meetbot notes so, who wants to own a topic?
2025-02-12 15:20:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I guess I am obligated for budget 😛
2025-02-12 15:20:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ive already done one for How the council works, which covers the initiative changes and working with FESCo and Mindshare on shared reporting
2025-02-12 15:21:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> bookwar: is drafting the AI stuff too so thats covered
2025-02-12 15:21:27 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I think I am on the hook for the strategy sessions.
2025-02-12 15:21:34 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> I have a11y on me and the initiate the a11y roadmap on me
2025-02-12 15:21:41 <@bookwar:fedora.im> Do we have a shared folder with all whiteboard pictures already?
2025-02-12 15:21:43 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> also mindshare
2025-02-12 15:22:11 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yes hold on
2025-02-12 15:23:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> we need ownership on summaries for the Strategy conversation, Process Updates (I think we can cover FE Legal and Conflict of Interest under this one), Mindshare, DEI Event Policy (this should be short) and thats really the most important ones 
2025-02-12 15:23:11 <@bookwar:fedora.im> No rush, and I have some for my items, just wanted to have it in all in one place.
2025-02-12 15:23:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> So I will tag mattdm for Strategy, JWW (@jflory7) for Budget, Sumantro Mukherjee for Mindshare
2025-02-12 15:23:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am not going to raise my hand for anything else other than budget because that is going to take most of my brain cells 😛 
2025-02-12 15:23:56 <@mattdm:fedora.im> oh wait no, the one I have as too-restrictive permissions. Aoife Moloney is there somewhere I should put them?
2025-02-12 15:24:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> we need ownership on summaries for the Strategy conversation, Policies (I think we can cover FE Legal and Conflict of Interest under this one), Mindshare, DEI Event Policy (this should be short) and thats really the most important ones 
2025-02-12 15:24:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I also want to talk about the regional approach with events and hackfests, but I am not going to tie that closely to the hackfest because I have been having this conversation in a few different places, not just Council
2025-02-12 15:24:30 <@mattdm:fedora.im> there is the FESCo/provenpackager thing too, but that probably should be just mentioned and handled separately?
2025-02-12 15:25:06 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Yeah that kind of was a topic on its own that came out of the Policies day
2025-02-12 15:25:16 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> we can chat/meet about this later!
2025-02-12 15:25:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> So I can summarize the Policies topic and include DEI, Conflict of interest and FE Legal. I plan to group them together 
2025-02-12 15:26:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Wrt where to put pictures, if we dont have a shared folder on google drive I can create one
2025-02-12 15:26:39 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah, that sounds good
2025-02-12 15:27:03 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Can we try get these summaries done by end of next week?
2025-02-12 15:27:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'll make a Google Photos shared album
2025-02-12 15:28:07 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have a draft on discourse written in the News and Announcements category and I thought we could use the 'linked topics' feature to post the summaries from that initial post. Is this the right category, and is that the right approach do you think?
2025-02-12 15:28:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Just made it and shared it with you all over email
2025-02-12 15:29:49 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ^^ ?
2025-02-12 15:30:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> No opinion, I am not the right person to ask about Discussion 😅
2025-02-12 15:30:54 <@mattdm:fedora.im> one sec
2025-02-12 15:31:17 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: post it to https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/workflows/future/77, and we can schedule it from there
2025-02-12 15:31:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ack, will do
2025-02-12 15:32:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action mattdm will provide a summary on the Strategy topic from the Council f2f 2025
2025-02-12 15:32:52 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action JWW (@jflory7) will provide a summary on the Budget topic from the Council f2f
2025-02-12 15:33:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action Sumantro Mukherjee will provide a summary on the Mindshare committee proposal from the Council f2f
2025-02-12 15:33:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action bookwar will provide a summary on the AI topic from the Council f2f
2025-02-12 15:34:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney will provide a summary on how the council works topic, and summarize the policies we discussed from the Council f2f
2025-02-12 15:35:39 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !agreed These summaries will be posted to discourse as linked topics from an original post, and topics will be reviewed by all council members before going live for accuracy. This activity will finish by the end of February 2025
2025-02-12 15:36:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Ticket follow ups
2025-02-12 15:37:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have an action to create tickets containing all the action items each council member signed up for, I havent forgotten and I will get to this probably early next week :)
2025-02-12 15:38:05 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Each council member has also been assigned tickets from the council repo. Please dont forget about them and flag it to others if you are finding it hard to work on it so we can rehome the request
2025-02-12 15:39:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have one more discussion topic to bring as well here if theres nothing more to be said on the tickets?
2025-02-12 15:39:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Nothing here from me
2025-02-12 15:40:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ok, moving on then!
2025-02-12 15:41:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Proven Packager Incident Follow Up
2025-02-12 15:42:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The council have been conducting our own investigation, as requested, into this incident, and we have reached the end of our investigation into the issue. We have reached a conclusion and have identified a number of next steps for this. 
2025-02-12 15:42:37 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> so I (and bookwar) am taking the lead on updating the docs for FESCo
2025-02-12 15:42:47 <@mattdm:fedora.im> "!info" that?
2025-02-12 15:42:58 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Yeah I will do
2025-02-12 15:43:01 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> we will be doing a draft and posting on discourse for public comment before we make a PR for the fesco docs
2025-02-12 15:43:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The council have been conducting our own investigation, as requested, into this incident, and we have reached the end of our investigation into the issue. We have reached a conclusion and have identified a number of next steps for this. 
2025-02-12 15:44:14 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The first step we wish to take is to formally reach out to Peter Robinson to discuss with him the Councils conclusions
2025-02-12 15:45:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The council would then like to make our report public, with the actions we are taking to improve this situation for the future
2025-02-12 15:46:07 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Not only would we like to, we will :)
2025-02-12 15:46:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info One of these steps is to work with FESCo to review and make changes the Proven Packager guidelines that bring more clarity, which FESCo had already noted needed improvements
2025-02-12 15:49:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Another step is to create a 'meta-policy' that can be used by any group in the Fedora Project to aid them when finding they need to make a decision that impacts someones ability to contribute to Fedora in a significant way. We expect this to be used as a framework that will keep the groups authority and integrity, but also ensure 'big decisions' are being done in the right way for Fedora
2025-02-12 15:51:04 <@mattdm:fedora.im> we should probably call it something other than "the meta-policy". It's not quite _that_ meta. :)
2025-02-12 15:51:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I mean, eventually. this is fine for the meeting notes 
2025-02-12 15:51:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> In time 😉 
2025-02-12 15:52:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah that was a term we were using in the f2f for just ease of reference :D
2025-02-12 15:53:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ok so, thats where council is at with things. Were at the end of our investigation, we have a number of what we hope will be positive steps coming from this, but first thing we need to do is meet with Peter formally so he has been included in the conversation too
2025-02-12 15:53:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I believe mattdm and dcantrell have been actioned for this
2025-02-12 15:53:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks folks for your effort on this. I regret that I have not been as engaged on it as I would have liked. But I think the approach we are taking is right, and we will use this as a learning experience 💪
2025-02-12 15:54:22 <@mattdm:fedora.im> amoloney++
2025-02-12 15:54:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> mattdm has already given cookies to amoloney during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:54:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have also been talking to Peter and next week is a good week for him to meet. Would you like me to arrange the call? I am also happy to be there to facilitate if needed
2025-02-12 15:54:41 <@mattdm:fedora.im> that would be very helpful -- thanks!
2025-02-12 15:55:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action mattdm & dcantrell to formally meet with Peter Robinson during the week of Feb 17th - 21st 2025 to discuss the Councils conclusion into the Proven Packager Incident
2025-02-12 15:56:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney will schedule the meeting and attend as facilitator
2025-02-12 15:57:45 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ok thats all from me, I just wanted to highlight this today following some good advice from someone about mentioning this more publicly as we have been working on it, we have a path forward and it was time to bring it to some kind of resolution for everyone
2025-02-12 15:57:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> With 2 mins left, open floor
2025-02-12 15:58:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2025-02-12 15:58:05 <@mattdm:fedora.im> !info thank you Aoife Moloney for helping the hackfest run so smoothly!
2025-02-12 15:58:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I would like to talk about AI policy in this open floor
2025-02-12 15:58:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ./s 😛 
2025-02-12 15:58:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> hahahahhaha
2025-02-12 15:58:45 <@mattdm:fedora.im> !info and ffmancera for on-the-ground support. If anyone needs restaurant recommendations in Sevilla, we have an expert!
2025-02-12 15:58:49 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yes, actually. Huge up to Aoife for the hackfest… I really missed y'all this year.
2025-02-12 15:59:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ffmancera: ++
2025-02-12 15:59:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> amoloney has already given cookies to ffmancera during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:59:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2025-02-12 15:59:08 <@mattdm:fedora.im> ffmancera++
2025-02-12 15:59:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:59:10 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ffmancera++
2025-02-12 15:59:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> mattdm gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 19 cookies, 4 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-02-12 15:59:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to ffmancera during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:59:32 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Amazing restaurant picker!!!
2025-02-12 15:59:32 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2025-02-12 15:59:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jonatoni has already given cookies to amoloney during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:59:39 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> ffmancera++
2025-02-12 15:59:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jonatoni has already given cookies to ffmancera during the F41 timeframe
2025-02-12 15:59:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Cookie party! 🍪😎
2025-02-12 15:59:58 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++ and ffmancera++
2025-02-12 15:59:59 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> \o/ I am glad you liked them all~!
2025-02-12 16:00:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The best way to end a meeting
2025-02-12 16:00:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dcantrell gave a cookie to amoloney. They now have 74 cookies, 20 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-02-12 16:00:03 <@mattdm:fedora.im> and also thanks to everyone -- it was a really packed and intense meeting with basically no slack time
2025-02-12 16:01:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> thanks all, Ill end todays meeting now!
2025-02-12 16:01:39 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !endmeeting