2025-02-19 18:00:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server 2025-02-19 18:00:15 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-19 18:00:13 UTC 2025-02-19 18:00:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server' 2025-02-19 18:00:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call 2025-02-19 18:00:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment for everybody to show up. 2025-02-19 18:00:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes. 2025-02-19 18:01:06 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hello 2025-02-19 18:01:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> Mowest is unable to attend today. 2025-02-19 18:01:39 <@eseyman:fedora.im> .hello 2025-02-19 18:01:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his 2025-02-19 18:02:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi Emmanuel! 2025-02-19 18:02:10 <@eseyman:fedora.im> lagging a bit, zodbot ? 2025-02-19 18:02:14 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hi, Peter 2025-02-19 18:02:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> And I see, nirik ist lurking as usual :-) 2025-02-19 18:03:16 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> !hi 2025-02-19 18:03:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Himpel (jwhimpel) 2025-02-19 18:03:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi John! 2025-02-19 18:03:35 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hello, John! 2025-02-19 18:03:53 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Unfortunately, I will have to leave at 45 min after the hour for an appointment. 2025-02-19 18:04:09 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: Peter Boy Back at you! 2025-02-19 18:04:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: no problem, we will hurry 2025-02-19 18:04:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, also in the epel meeting and trying to tame emails, but ping me if I'm needed for something specifc. ;) 2025-02-19 18:05:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: We will do. That's a proven procedure 2025-02-19 18:05:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi 2025-02-19 18:05:30 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin W. Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his 2025-02-19 18:05:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> We have our quorum, so let's start. 2025-02-19 18:06:02 <@eseyman:fedora.im> let's go, then! 2025-02-19 18:06:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> JWW (@jflory7): you are welcome 2025-02-19 18:06:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> 2025-02-19 18:06:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda 2025-02-19 18:06:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> info Follow-up actions & announcements 2025-02-19 18:06:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> info Server user poll 2025-02-19 18:06:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service 2025-02-19 18:07:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info Ansible assisted installation and configuration of WEB service 2025-02-19 18:07:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info FLOCK 2025 2025-02-19 18:07:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info Open Floor 2025-02-19 18:07:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add? 2025-02-19 18:07:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> Or to remove? 2025-02-19 18:07:48 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm good 2025-02-19 18:08:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements 2025-02-19 18:08:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Nothing new here, nothing to announce from me. 2025-02-19 18:08:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add? 2025-02-19 18:09:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> OL. Then 2025-02-19 18:09:09 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2. Server user poll 2025-02-19 18:09:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/145 2025-02-19 18:09:45 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Poll is now closed 2025-02-19 18:10:10 <@eseyman:fedora.im> 500+ replies is FAR more than I would have thought possible 2025-02-19 18:10:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I closed the poll as we decided. If we want, we currently can add. 2025-02-19 18:10:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> Latest statistics see may mail ffrom today: 2025-02-19 18:10:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nice to have a lot of data. 2025-02-19 18:11:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/145 2025-02-19 18:11:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JPDNPX7PCTUGJDQJGCNI3LQJ7DTGCIVE/ 2025-02-19 18:12:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, 574 complete answers, that's a lot. 2025-02-19 18:12:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> Would someone suggest to let the poll open for another week? 2025-02-19 18:13:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we would not gain a lot of that. 2025-02-19 18:13:30 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Me neither, I am in favor of closing 2025-02-19 18:14:04 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I think those who are going to respond, have already done so. 2025-02-19 18:14:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> Indeed,. Therefore 2025-02-19 18:14:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed We will let the survey closed as decided before. 2025-02-19 18:15:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> That is awesome! 2025-02-19 18:16:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> So, what about the next steps? I'm preparing an export. But I'll need 2-3 days. It's a lot of data and not easy to get that right and clearly laid out. 2025-02-19 18:18:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so let's proceed to the next step so far. As soon as everybody can step through the answers, I hopefully will get more ideas what we can get from the data. 2025-02-19 18:18:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> In the meantime, don't forget 2025-02-19 18:18:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://hackmd.io/@pboy/SJzz7VcFJl 2025-02-19 18:18:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> for collecting ideas. 2025-02-19 18:18:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3. Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service 2025-02-19 18:19:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/138 2025-02-19 18:19:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> Current Status of Ansible Code? 2025-02-19 18:19:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> Current Status of Documentation? 2025-02-19 18:19:41 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Latest revision in checked into the dev branch of the fedora server repo. 2025-02-19 18:20:10 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> It still needs some effort, especially in the area of documentation. 2025-02-19 18:20:34 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> It only supports NFSv4 (which has been out for many years now). 2025-02-19 18:20:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think it's OK to (just) support NFS 4. 2025-02-19 18:21:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> We may additionaly document, what someone can do in case of urgently needing an earlier version. 2025-02-19 18:21:53 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I followed the suggestion from Emmanuel to use systemd for the mounts on the client side. 2025-02-19 18:22:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> I am always amazed at what systemd can do 2025-02-19 18:24:48 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> NFSv3 requires a bunch more services and configuration. It also runs slower. People have had nearly a decade to upgrade. 2025-02-19 18:24:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I guess we are now ready to try it out and gather some exp 2025-02-19 18:25:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I guess we are now ready to try it out and gather some experiences? 2025-02-19 18:25:49 <@eseyman:fedora.im> oh, we should absolutely not support NFSv3 2025-02-19 18:25:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: Yes, I agree. But sometimes crazy needs come out. 2025-02-19 18:26:18 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Ping me on the M/L if you have questions. 2025-02-19 18:26:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK. So we will start to check it out. 2025-02-19 18:27:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: not even to document NFS 3 2025-02-19 18:27:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> On the other hand, we probably don't have the resources to do so 2025-02-19 18:27:59 <@eseyman:fedora.im> no, v4 is here to stay 2025-02-19 18:28:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, fine for me, too. 2025-02-19 18:28:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed Server WG will limit NFS support to NFS 4 2025-02-19 18:30:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed Server WG members will start to checkout the current version. 2025-02-19 18:30:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I guess, that's all at the moment? 2025-02-19 18:31:23 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I think so 2025-02-19 18:31:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK 2025-02-19 18:31:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4. Ansible assisted installation and configuration of WEB service 2025-02-19 18:31:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/RMKV2JSIBEAAFKK66TY5FR3W7PV54ALL/ 2025-02-19 18:31:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/ 2025-02-19 18:32:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2258121 2025-02-19 18:33:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> The critical question is whether we want to proceed as described and thus change the default configuration of the maintainer. Unfortunately, no one from the maintainers has come forward yet. 2025-02-19 18:34:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> (since about on year) 2025-02-19 18:35:57 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Let's give Joe some time to respond 2025-02-19 18:36:07 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I'm not disputing your bugzilla entry, but if it was that generic, I would have thought there would be lots more "me too" entries in bugzilla. I don't use Apache (httpd), so I'm certainly not an authority. 2025-02-19 18:37:03 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> The entry is marked "closed" due to inactivity. We need to either proceed or re-open the entry. 2025-02-19 18:37:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: there was some discussion on ask fedora about it. Most are really "users" and don't create buguzilla entries. 2025-02-19 18:37:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: there was some discussion on ask fedora about it. (ands still is now and then) Most are really "users" and don't create buguzilla entries. 2025-02-19 18:38:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> By the way, I have a documentary on nginx in the works. 2025-02-19 18:39:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: OK, one more week? 2025-02-19 18:40:43 <@eseyman:fedora.im> one more week for? 2025-02-19 18:40:58 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> We need to re-open the bugzilla entry if we expect any response from the maintainer. 2025-02-19 18:41:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> when to decide. 2025-02-19 18:41:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> one week to wait for httpd maintainers 2025-02-19 18:41:58 <@eseyman:fedora.im> What's to decide ? We recommend your layout starting now and, at the same time, we engage with the httpd devs to upstream it 2025-02-19 18:42:05 <@eseyman:fedora.im> one doesn't exclude the other 2025-02-19 18:42:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, thats fine. And we can adjust the doku if we come to a agreement mit httpd maintainers. 2025-02-19 18:43:08 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Agreed 2025-02-19 18:43:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposed !agreed We create a supported web service following the current description of a basic setup in the server docs. This is also the basis for developing an Ansible playbook. 2025-02-19 18:43:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> I suppose, no objections. 2025-02-19 18:43:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed We create a supported web service following the current description of a basic setup in the server docs. This is also the basis for developing an Ansible playbook. 2025-02-19 18:43:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 5. FLOCK 2025 2025-02-19 18:44:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> There is nothing new at the moment. Emmanuel, Mowest and me have to coordinate. I have proposals / drafts nearly complete. Se we can make it until Sunday, the deadline. 2025-02-19 18:45:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> A proposal for CfP, not the complete talk! 2025-02-19 18:46:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we are done here at the moment. So lets move on. 2025-02-19 18:46:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 6. Open Floor 2025-02-19 18:46:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to discuss here? 2025-02-19 18:47:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Nothing much, here 2025-02-19 18:47:29 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Lots of things to do that are not Fedora related, sadly 2025-02-19 18:48:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'm glad that I have more time for Fedora at the moment. 2025-02-19 18:48:21 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I have to go now. See everyone next week. 2025-02-19 18:48:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> Bye John! 2025-02-19 18:48:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> And I think, we can close now. Can't we? 2025-02-19 18:49:02 <@eseyman:fedora.im> See you, John 2025-02-19 18:49:25 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Yes, I think we're finished, here 2025-02-19 18:49:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, then 2025-02-19 18:49:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting