2025-03-05 18:00:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server  
2025-03-05 18:00:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-05 18:00:15 UTC
2025-03-05 18:00:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server '
2025-03-05 18:00:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Sorry regarding the missing agenda: I just discovered that I must have hit the wrong button and the email was saved in draft instead of sent. So we have to improvise a bit today.
2025-03-05 18:00:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2025-03-05 18:00:35 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:00:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Paul Maconi (aggraxis) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:00:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment  for everybody to show up.
2025-03-05 18:00:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.
2025-03-05 18:00:43 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hello
2025-03-05 18:00:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:00:55 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hello, fellow kids!
2025-03-05 18:01:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome Paul, Welcome Emmanuel
2025-03-05 18:04:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I think we start now and hope, John and Steve  will participate  soon.
2025-03-05 18:04:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-03-05 18:04:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-05 18:04:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Scheduled server podcast for March 11
2025-03-05 18:04:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2025-03-05 18:05:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  F43 Change proposal: Disabling support of building OpenSSL engines
2025-03-05 18:05:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Open Floor
2025-03-05 18:05:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add?
2025-03-05 18:05:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> Obviously not  :-) 
2025-03-05 18:05:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-05 18:06:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> Regarding the action, nothing new. See
2025-03-05 18:06:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2024/
2025-03-05 18:06:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> And no announcement from me.
2025-03-05 18:07:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> I suppose no announcement at the moment. 
2025-03-05 18:07:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2.  Scheduled Server podcast for March 11
2025-03-05 18:07:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> No tracking issue yet
2025-03-05 18:08:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> a) Who will participate
2025-03-05 18:08:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> b) What message do we want to get across?
2025-03-05 18:08:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> The questions are
2025-03-05 18:09:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> The recording and sending tine is not determined yet. Usually it is in the US east evening.
2025-03-05 18:10:29 <@eseyman:fedora.im> While I don't see myself participating, I'm always in favour of the Server SIG being on the Fedora Podcast
2025-03-05 18:10:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> ++1
2025-03-05 18:10:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> That was my intention, too.
2025-03-05 18:12:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> My idea is to talk about some results of our server poll, talk a bit about a homelab spin-off and maybe about our issues with getting some Ansible playbooks working. 
2025-03-05 18:13:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any comment / additional ideas?
2025-03-05 18:13:48 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I suspect the poll should be the main subject
2025-03-05 18:14:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, indeed. But not to much. We should have something new left for Fedora Magazine.
2025-03-05 18:14:44 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Perhaps add a mention that we are always looking for new people to help us
2025-03-05 18:15:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes. I will talk about that regarding homelab spin-off and Ansible.
2025-03-05 18:16:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> We should make is specific. So anybody can see what exactly should be done.
2025-03-05 18:16:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> At least for the next months or so.
2025-03-05 18:17:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> I assume everything has been said at the moment? 
2025-03-05 18:18:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3.  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2025-03-05 18:18:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/138
2025-03-05 18:19:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are missing John today. Emmanuel Seyman Could you manage to spent some time on this topic? 
2025-03-05 18:20:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I will try to spend some time on it this week
2025-03-05 18:20:40 <@eseyman:fedora.im> FTR, I have my NPO's annual meeting this saturday and I am quite busy these days
2025-03-05 18:21:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so I suppose we should re-schedule this topic in 14 days! or better in 3 weeks? 
2025-03-05 18:23:00 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Let's try 14
2025-03-05 18:23:27 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Note that I will probably not be at the meeting next week so 14 is actually the bare minimum
2025-03-05 18:23:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK., let's re-schedule in 14 days.
2025-03-05 18:24:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4.  F43 Change proposal: Disabling support of building OpenSSL engines
2025-03-05 18:24:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3EJD52YIZU3VNWHKAQVOI27L47OWXRPA/#3EJD52YIZU3VNWHKAQVOI27L47OWXRPA 
2025-03-05 18:24:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> It's not urgent. We just have to be careful that the renewal junkies don't cripple our IPA server with the update. Some are in too much of a hurry and disregard the existing use of Fedora.  
2025-03-05 18:25:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have already objected to the plan as it currently stands.  
2025-03-05 18:26:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any comment to the mailing list thread?
2025-03-05 18:27:23 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I have read the whole thing with interest
2025-03-05 18:28:11 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm still hoping that bind-dydnb-ldap will work without OpenSSL engines in time for F43
2025-03-05 18:28:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, but that is unclear according to Alexander. 
2025-03-05 18:29:58 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Perhaps I can give him a hand
2025-03-05 18:30:19 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Not that I know anything about Bind's API...
2025-03-05 18:30:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, w/o secure DNS IPA doesn't work without adjustments. Upstream is working on that.
2025-03-05 18:31:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: As our expert for change proposals: Can you put this on your monitor list? 
2025-03-05 18:31:31 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I will
2025-03-05 18:31:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> Thanks.
2025-03-05 18:31:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's switch then
2025-03-05 18:32:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 5. Open Floor 
2025-03-05 18:33:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> A while ago, I found an interesting graphic about the development of the use of, among other things, servers. I hope I can find it quickly.
2025-03-05 18:34:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> Found it.
2025-03-05 18:34:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-numbers-02-2025-edition/144475 
2025-03-05 18:34:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> It is from CoreOS discussions. 
2025-03-05 18:35:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> We should have a closer look at the countme statistics.
2025-03-05 18:37:04 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Well, I'm not surprised to see the Cloud image take off like wildfire as people discover it, especially if you're making VMs on a hypervisor that supports cloud-init.
2025-03-05 18:38:05 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Even for RHEL systems, I cook a VM one time from a pre-fab kickstart, layer in cloud-init and some basic security changes via %post, then seal the image with some nice stuff in the cloud-init blocks in our production Proxmox clusters.
2025-03-05 18:38:29 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> That first VM takes 12 minutes to cook itself once a quarter, but subsequent clones are up within minutes with almost no human intervention.
2025-03-05 18:39:13 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Fedora Cloud image on Proxmox is even easier than the guide I put together for using the regular server image. Make a VM, ingest disk, set up the hardware and cloud-init bits, convert to template.
2025-03-05 18:39:42 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Each clone gets its hostname set as the name of the VM. You pre-seed an account and pw and/or ssh key, and you're off to the races in seconds.
2025-03-05 18:40:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, it is much easier than buying or renting a server. 
2025-03-05 18:40:44 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Well, even consider places like Digital Ocean or other VPS providers. You don't have to do much to the Fedora images out of the box to get going quickly.
2025-03-05 18:40:49 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> It just... works.
2025-03-05 18:41:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> But is cloud computing really cheaper or at least more cost-effective? Based on some cursory research, I doubt it. 
2025-03-05 18:41:56 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> The cloud image has less to do with cloud computing and more with a way of provisioning.
2025-03-05 18:42:40 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> It wakes the system up, configures the network ,hostname, credentials, generates new SSH keys, I think some plugin variant of cloud-init can resize a volume if need be, and can even trigger a package update on boot if desired.
2025-03-05 18:42:59 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> It's almost like 'sysprepping' a Windows system.
2025-03-05 18:43:29 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Oh, I'm certain you can, on first boot, grow your image to whatever size the volume is
2025-03-05 18:43:49 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> It is *VERY* nice to work with once you get a handle on what's going on.
2025-03-05 18:44:10 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Like I said, I demonstrated the capability to my customer, and he let me rebuild our template systems based on it.
2025-03-05 18:44:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> By cloud computing, I mean running the server in longterm production in a cloud system. 
2025-03-05 18:46:08 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> We stopped making a distinction between local virtualization or what people started calling 'the cloud'. We either have the local private cloud, a public cloud, or a hybrid implementation between the two. Once we got away from VMware in particular and started using something that played nice with cloud-init, it's all just fluffy cloud. :)
2025-03-05 18:47:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, cloud init is a relief if you set up and take down servers multiple times a month. But if you only use it once every few months,.... 
2025-03-05 18:48:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> first boot is very elaborate, indeed.
2025-03-05 18:49:16 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> For us, not so much. Aside from some key "named systems", we start from a common baseline concept and then build through automation. Even stuff we've had going for years.
2025-03-05 18:49:43 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Either way, I'm thrilled to see that kind of data out there and what folks are doing with Fedora.
2025-03-05 18:50:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Indeed, yes, that's interesting. We should have a closer look into the Server related data. I hope, Emmanuel and me can do that for our Flock talk (if our CfP gets accepted).
2025-03-05 18:51:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, that's it for today. Or is anything else to discuss? 
2025-03-05 18:51:58 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Just thanks for doing what you guys do :)
2025-03-05 18:52:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, yes, thanks!
2025-03-05 18:53:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, i'll close now
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2025-03-05 18:53:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting