2025-03-19 17:00:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server
2025-03-19 17:00:14 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-19 17:00:12 UTC
2025-03-19 17:00:14 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'
2025-03-19 17:00:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2025-03-19 17:00:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment  for everybody to show up.
2025-03-19 17:00:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.
2025-03-19 17:00:56 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hello
2025-03-19 17:00:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
2025-03-19 17:01:07 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hey, everybody
2025-03-19 17:01:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, greetings!
2025-03-19 17:05:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, the period of time change is always difficult.
2025-03-19 17:06:20 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I left I got home 10 minutes ago
2025-03-19 17:06:46 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I left $WORK early and I just got home 10 minutes ago...
2025-03-19 17:07:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, and we had to reorganize our family dinner and all the cooking for it  :-)
2025-03-19 17:07:36 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-19 17:07:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Himpel (jwhimpel)
2025-03-19 17:07:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome John.
2025-03-19 17:08:21 <@eseyman:fedora.im> hello, John!
2025-03-19 17:09:03 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> It's almost  spring here.
2025-03-19 17:09:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> You're lucky. There was frost here this morning.
2025-03-19 17:10:37 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I was sweating in my biking gloves when I arrived at $WORK this morning
2025-03-19 17:11:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, we meet our quorum, Nirik is lurking as always, I think, so we should start.
2025-03-19 17:11:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-03-19 17:11:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-19 17:11:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2025-03-19 17:11:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Cockpit self-signed certificates change
2025-03-19 17:12:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> !undo
2025-03-19 17:12:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3.  Organisation of Beta Testing
2025-03-19 17:12:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4. Bug: Fedora 42: Server boot aarch64 image exceeds maximum size
2025-03-19 17:12:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 5. Open Floor
2025-03-19 17:13:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well. copy&paste is always dangerous
2025-03-19 17:13:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> And !undo seems not to work for !info.
2025-03-19 17:14:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add!
2025-03-19 17:14:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to add?
2025-03-19 17:14:42 <@eseyman:fedora.im> No, that seems fine
2025-03-19 17:14:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK.
2025-03-19 17:15:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-19 17:15:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> I guess we all noticed that Beta is go.
2025-03-19 17:16:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> We can start with our beloved testing.
2025-03-19 17:16:31 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Yes. I will update my laptop and install Server on an SBC this weekend
2025-03-19 17:16:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> Thats good!
2025-03-19 17:17:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Another info is that the planned podcast about server is still unclear. No date yet.
2025-03-19 17:18:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> But I hope the bottleneck will soon be resolved and that something will happen soon.
2025-03-19 17:18:21 <@eseyman:fedora.im> That less good...
2025-03-19 17:18:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah.
2025-03-19 17:18:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's proceed.
2025-03-19 17:18:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2    Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2025-03-19 17:18:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/138
2025-03-19 17:19:37 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I'm still awaiting feedback
2025-03-19 17:20:40 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Yes, sorry. Last week was too busy for me to do anything
2025-03-19 17:20:51 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I will review tonight or tomorrow
2025-03-19 17:21:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I started today to make use of it. I'm struggeling a bit to set it up properly.
2025-03-19 17:22:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> I haven't got around to systematizing my notes in a comprehensible form yet. I'll do that tomorrow.
2025-03-19 17:22:31 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Peter Boy:Offline,  send me an update on what you're having to struggle.
2025-03-19 17:22:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I will! 
2025-03-19 17:24:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> And I wrote a draft of an introduction for our documentation (in stg). But for some reason the documentation update seems not to work, 
2025-03-19 17:26:02 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Yes, there are a lot of changes in stg that are not in prod
2025-03-19 17:26:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> Not in prod, but also not in stg, unfortunately.
2025-03-19 17:27:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll check later the update process. Or maybe it is blocked because of the beta phase?
2025-03-19 17:28:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> it's been stuck for a while, it seems
2025-03-19 17:29:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, the last content update is Last content update: 2024-03-27 Something is missing  
2025-03-19 17:30:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> And Last build: 2025-03-19 15:50:14 UTC, should be 16:50 UTC
2025-03-19 17:30:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> We'll check.
2025-03-19 17:30:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> So we have no further updates on the NFS topic, but hopefully some news very soon.
2025-03-19 17:31:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> Nevertheless, we should also discuss and decide soon how we want to distribute the Ansible roles.
2025-03-19 17:31:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> My idea is to offer the playbooks as rpm packages, which then together form a control node area on the workstation. A first draft of this can be found in the stg area
2025-03-19 17:31:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> at least as soon as it get's updated
2025-03-19 17:32:01 <@eseyman:fedora.im> rpm packages is the way to go
2025-03-19 17:32:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://packages.fedoraproject.org/search?query=ansible-collection
2025-03-19 17:32:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> role models would be:
2025-03-19 17:33:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: ?? do we agree about rpm?
2025-03-19 17:34:49 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> RPMs would  be fine.  Probably distributed inside the RPM as a module, but I'm inexperienced on how to create those.  Currently I just make raw roles.  We can talk about this a bit later.
2025-03-19 17:36:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, it is not urgent. But we should decide about a proper directory structure. My draft contains a proposal, basically it is the structure you propose in the documentation you uploaded for the NFS part.
2025-03-19 17:38:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have a first ansible script for the webservice - together with a friend's son of mine, who has some experience with Ansible. And we have a rough draft of a Mail service Ansilble script, which it rather extensive and complex.
2025-03-19 17:38:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> So we have no further updates on the NFS topic, but hopefully some news very soon. 
2025-03-19 17:38:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's go on.
2025-03-19 17:39:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3.  Organisation of Beta Testing 
2025-03-19 17:39:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> no tracking issue yet
2025-03-19 17:39:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/server/download/?beta 
2025-03-19 17:40:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> Unfortunately, we don't yet have a written plan for this. But basically, we have agreed to carry out the installation routines live and to check the documentation in the process. 
2025-03-19 17:41:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> And as far as I remember, I'm the only one who has machines available for testing. This means that the installation on hardware would be my responsibility.
2025-03-19 17:42:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> At least apart from SBCs 
2025-03-19 17:43:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: You wanted to check the accepted changes. And which SBC do you have for testing?  
2025-03-19 17:44:18 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I can test VM (upgrade and install), but it will probably be next week.  I am still rather limited in going up/down stairs to get to computer.
2025-03-19 17:45:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I have several here. I'll probably go with the Banana-Pi
2025-03-19 17:45:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: that's good. You'll need to check in particular that the LVM problem is solved correctly.  
2025-03-19 17:46:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: I have an Pine64 rockPro and a Radax Rock Pi. not to duplicate our efforts. 
2025-03-19 17:46:37 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Peter Boy: Do you have a BZ for that, so I can be sure I've tested correctly.
2025-03-19 17:47:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> John not out of my head. There is a BZ, I'll send it by mail.
2025-03-19 17:47:32 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> My testing will be install via anaconda as there are/were extensive changes to anaconda.
2025-03-19 17:48:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, but it would be helpful to test the VM image as well.  I think, we need both, the image and Anaconda. 
2025-03-19 17:48:45 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I think you're thinking of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2265422
2025-03-19 17:49:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes,The number looks familiar.
2025-03-19 17:49:51 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Someone else will need to test VM Image install as I'm not sure how to do that (and probably would not spot any errors vs. my error).  :-(
2025-03-19 17:50:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> But the arm-image-installer is resolved. The other VM images are critical.
2025-03-19 17:50:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: OK, I'll do that. 
2025-03-19 17:50:34 <@eseyman:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872, maybe ?
2025-03-19 17:50:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes! you found it  :-)  
2025-03-19 17:51:10 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: Peter Boy Thanks!
2025-03-19 17:53:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> Unfortunately, my IBM s390x zSystem is currently not ready for use. Does anyone else still have one of these in the basement??    :-) 
2025-03-19 17:53:29 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Not me...
2025-03-19 17:53:43 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> /me looks around in various directions
2025-03-19 17:54:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I can test it in KVM on a z system? but it's virt in virt (in virt)
2025-03-19 17:54:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> Nice, yeah virt in virt in virt  that's IBM with its  "partitions"
2025-03-19 17:57:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> if that would be helpful, I do have access to some machines in LinuxONE Community Cloud that I can test with
2025-03-19 17:57:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> I always feel a bit uncomfortable. We distribute ppc64 and zsystem variants, but nobody seems to test and report back,
2025-03-19 17:58:21 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I feel the same way (not about fedora necessarily). It's difficult to accept sending things off into the void and "hoping" they work
2025-03-19 17:58:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, indeed,
2025-03-19 17:58:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> But let'smove on
2025-03-19 17:58:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 4. Bug: Fedora 42: Server boot aarch64 image exceeds maximum size 
2025-03-19 17:59:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> no tracking issue yet
2025-03-19 17:59:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2352679 
2025-03-19 18:01:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> We didn't change the distribution, so this must be a build error, or at least an issue
2025-03-19 18:01:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> I didn't had a closer look yet.
2025-03-19 18:02:16 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Probably a package (or several packages) grew in size.
2025-03-19 18:02:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> But that much ??
2025-03-19 18:03:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> We had the same issue several times back. It was always an image generation issue.
2025-03-19 18:05:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any ideas? I'd hate to just change the permissible size. We deliberately limited it to take into account the conditions in critical areas of our world.
2025-03-19 18:05:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> I see that we have already exceeded our time. 
2025-03-19 18:06:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's discuss this problem on the mailing list.
2025-03-19 18:06:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything to discuss? Otherwise I would close.
2025-03-19 18:07:10 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'm good
2025-03-19 18:07:41 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Signing off
2025-03-19 18:07:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, then bye bye next week!! And I hope a can mail the agenda earlier.
2025-03-19 18:08:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting