2025-03-26 15:01:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> !startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG
2025-03-26 15:01:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-26 15:01:38 UTC
2025-03-26 15:01:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
2025-03-26 15:01:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-03-26 15:02:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Aw no, we really need to fix fedocal 
2025-03-26 15:02:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Council meeting can happen in the council chat room
2025-03-26 15:03:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> For those wanting to join the council meeting, please head to #meeting-1:fedoraproject.org 
2025-03-26 15:03:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> sorry for the disruption Michel Lind UTC-6 !
2025-03-26 15:04:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> np Aoife Moloney 
2025-03-26 15:07:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's give it 3 more minutes then if nobody shows up I'm going to cancel the meeting
2025-03-26 15:09:27 <@ngompa:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-26 15:09:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-03-26 15:09:31 <@ngompa:fedora.im> ffs netsplit
2025-03-26 15:09:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> about time, I was going to cancel
2025-03-26 15:09:42 <@ngompa:fedora.im> none of my messages on my main account were going through
2025-03-26 15:09:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> Matrix broke again? jeesus
2025-03-26 15:09:48 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I noticed because zodbot wasn't responding
2025-03-26 15:10:13 <@ngompa:fedora.im> both Daan De Meyer and rcolebaugh are here too
2025-03-26 15:10:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> and your other matrix account ... is matrix.org right? yikes if they can't keep federation between that and EMS up
2025-03-26 15:10:22 <@ngompa:fedora.im> yes
2025-03-26 15:10:53 <@ngompa:fedora.im> something is wrong with the fedoraproject EMS instance
2025-03-26 15:11:13 <@ngompa:fedora.im> because I have not encountered this problem elsewhere
2025-03-26 15:12:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> sigh that's even worse
2025-03-26 15:12:10 <@ngompa:fedora.im> so the status sync is working, just not my messages
2025-03-26 15:12:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> let me test with my other EMS account
2025-03-26 15:14:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> of course I quit most rooms on the other account because otherwise things are so slow on mobile
2025-03-26 15:15:45 <@michel:one.ems.host> Test
2025-03-26 15:16:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> ok, so Element One -> Fedora's EMS instance works at least
2025-03-26 15:16:22 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I'm reloading Element after upgrading the flatpak
2025-03-26 15:16:25 <@ngompa:fedora.im> maybe that fixes it
2025-03-26 15:18:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's wait a few minutes then in case more people will show up
2025-03-26 15:18:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> rcolebaugh: is Vishal joining us today?
2025-03-26 15:18:38 <@ngompa:fedora.im> he was trying
2025-03-26 15:18:42 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I saw him typing
2025-03-26 15:20:22 <@ngompa:fedora.im> he's here as `@vishalmishra434:matrix.org`
2025-03-26 15:20:34 <@ngompa:fedora.im> @vishalmishra434:matrix.org has been typing and just not making it through
2025-03-26 15:21:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh god is it the matrix outage again
2025-03-26 15:21:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> so yeah matrix.org <-> EMS is split brained then. that's... really not cool
2025-03-26 15:21:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the problem is that Michel Lind UTC-6 is on fedora.im and can't see it
2025-03-26 15:22:13 <@daandemeyer/:matrix.org> Time to move to whatsapp
2025-03-26 15:22:17 <@vishalmishra434:matrix.org> Any suggestions on what I should do?
2025-03-26 15:22:24 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Aww that is so annoying
2025-03-26 15:22:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's ask Vishal to get a Fedora account and get on fedora.im instead, that's the only one that is guaranteed to work
2025-03-26 15:22:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> same with Raymond who's also using a matrix.org account
2025-03-26 15:22:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> meanwhile let me kvetch at the Element people
2025-03-26 15:23:01 <@ngompa:fedora.im> he can't
2025-03-26 15:23:13 <@ngompa:fedora.im> there are no more slots left on the fedora.im server for new users
2025-03-26 15:23:22 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it was maxed out earlier this month
2025-03-26 15:24:52 <@ngompa:fedora.im> See https://mastodon.social/@andyprice/114202658571224733
2025-03-26 15:26:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> That was fixed several days ago
2025-03-26 15:26:59 <@ngompa:fedora.im> oh hey I see Vishal Mishra's message
2025-03-26 15:27:01 <@ngompa:fedora.im> and rcolebaugh 
2025-03-26 15:27:19 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it seems like it's slowly syncing
2025-03-26 15:27:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> FFS
2025-03-26 15:27:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> OK I can see this now
2025-03-26 15:28:08 <@vishalmishra434:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-26 15:28:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Vishal Mishra (vishalmishra434)
2025-03-26 15:28:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> the problem is the *bot* is in this room so if I can't see it it can't either
2025-03-26 15:28:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> ok, so everyone is here now I guess
2025-03-26 15:28:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's continue because we're almost halfway in
2025-03-26 15:28:59 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it only took... *checks notes* 28 minutes
2025-03-26 15:29:14 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we'll just speed run this meeting
2025-03-26 15:29:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. urgh. I did just complain to the Element one and EMS room so I wonder if that helped. but too soon
2025-03-26 15:29:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Followups
2025-03-26 15:29:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> anyone? if not I have one
2025-03-26 15:29:46 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I am beating my head into the ground trying to get hyperscale 10 composes work
2025-03-26 15:29:48 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I am beating my head into the ground trying to get hyperscale 10 composes working
2025-03-26 15:30:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> That's no fun
2025-03-26 15:30:15 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (also hi)
2025-03-26 15:30:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> hi Neil
2025-03-26 15:30:34 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> just lost as usual, so poking in 🙂
2025-03-26 15:30:57 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I'll probably do a kernel rebase and talk to Daan De Meyer about an selinux-policy rebase and see if that helps
2025-03-26 15:31:10 <@ngompa:fedora.im> because I'm at my wits end for why this is broken
2025-03-26 15:31:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> what is broken exactly? kernel related I guess
2025-03-26 15:31:33 <@ngompa:fedora.im> the kernel doesn't boot at all
2025-03-26 15:31:36 <@ngompa:fedora.im> which I have no idea why
2025-03-26 15:31:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info ngompa is still working on getting Hyperscale 10 composes but is stuck
2025-03-26 15:31:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> can we... triage by cheating and using the Fedora kernel for now and see if that works?
2025-03-26 15:31:59 <@ngompa:fedora.im> and the selinux-policy seems to be somehow broken in such a way that image builds fail with undefined label errors
2025-03-26 15:32:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> oof... uh, that's not good
2025-03-26 15:32:39 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I've never seen these failures before
2025-03-26 15:32:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> **sends positive vibes to Neal**
2025-03-26 15:32:47 <@ngompa:fedora.im> not on Fedora, and not on CS9 either
2025-03-26 15:34:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> can we turn off selinux in the compose for now? not ideal, but at least separate the kernel issue from the selinux issue (and who knows if we're really (un)lucky they're one and the same
2025-03-26 15:35:19 <@ngompa:fedora.im> if a rebase of the kernel fixes its bootable-ness, sure
2025-03-26 15:35:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, just unblock ourselves as much as possible - as long as we document what's not working that should be fine
2025-03-26 15:36:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> plus you can always turn it back on later and relabel
2025-03-26 15:36:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's move on
2025-03-26 15:36:16 <@ngompa:fedora.im> what's stupid is that it works fine if you go from vanilla to hs10
2025-03-26 15:36:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh, so converting to hs10 works - you just don't get to keep a btrfs filesystem
2025-03-26 15:36:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> wait, even the hs kernel work? how
2025-03-26 15:36:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> anyway... given time is short today we probably should mvoe on
2025-03-26 15:37:12 <@ngompa:fedora.im> yes, let's
2025-03-26 15:37:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info Proposed Updates SIG is up, any update we're trying to get into CentOS Stream proper should be built there and not in Hyperscale anymore
2025-03-26 15:37:25 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we can discuss my pain in #centos-hyperscale:fedoraproject.org later
2025-03-26 15:37:54 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I'm happy to see that we have proposed updates sig going now
2025-03-26 15:38:14 <@ngompa:fedora.im> though I'm not sure if this means I'll look less active in hyperscale now? that is a lot of the stuff I do 😓
2025-03-26 15:38:17 <@ngompa:fedora.im> though I'm not sure if this means I'll look less active in hyperscale now? that is a lot of the stuff I do 😅
2025-03-26 15:38:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> we don't have c10s yet - I'm going to put up Neal's mutter MR there to start it - and we still need docs and then we can properly announce it. It's also a talk in the CentOS Showcase on Apr 7 and we will be at the community pavillion at RH summit
2025-03-26 15:38:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> eh, our total activity will be up. Hyperscale activity going down is actually a plus I guess
2025-03-26 15:38:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> officially we only have Jonathan, me and Davide now in the CPU SIG, but once docs are up we should start onboarding members
2025-03-26 15:39:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> and... unless anyone has questions let's move on
2025-03-26 15:39:41 <@ngompa:fedora.im> none from me, let's keep moving
2025-03-26 15:39:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Announcements
2025-03-26 15:40:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info CentOS Showcase on April 7. CFP is really, really closed this time I guess but if you want to register (free online event) - is there an outage between matrix.org and EMS? messages from matrix.org can't be seen from EMS, I only see "... is typing"
2025-03-26 15:40:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> oops
2025-03-26 15:40:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> !link https://www.centos.org/events/showcase-2025-04
2025-03-26 15:40:46 <@ngompa:fedora.im> lol
2025-03-26 15:41:05 <@ngompa:fedora.im> schedule for the showcase isn't up yet?
2025-03-26 15:41:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> if you really want a talk in we can talk to Shaun and there might still be spots
2025-03-26 15:41:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> I just got my talk in on Monday, and Shaun said if there's not enough submissions it might get canceled, so ... I'm guessing either will happen soon
2025-03-26 15:41:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> (the CFP closed unexpectedly early last Friday, which I think did not help getting talks in :P)
2025-03-26 15:42:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> any other announcement?
2025-03-26 15:42:23 <@ngompa:fedora.im> the Summit stuff?
2025-03-26 15:42:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> we can speedrun tickets so we can get to membership and not keep Vishal Mishra waiting
2025-03-26 15:42:27 <@ngompa:fedora.im> the schedule is now out
2025-03-26 15:42:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah if you have the link go for it and announce it here
2025-03-26 15:43:51 <@ngompa:fedora.im> !info Davide and Neal will be giving a talk about CentOS Hyperscale Asahi Remix at Red Hat Summit on May 19 in Boston
2025-03-26 15:43:53 <@ngompa:fedora.im> !link https://events.experiences.redhat.com/widget/redhat/sum25/SessionCatalog2025/session/1731519631980001Xort
2025-03-26 15:44:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> nice
2025-03-26 15:44:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> (my talk is not Hyperscale related so I won't plug it today)
2025-03-26 15:44:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> well ... it might be since we're using Hyperscale to incubate GNOME
2025-03-26 15:45:02 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it definitely is :)
2025-03-26 15:45:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info Michel has a talk about using Enterprise Linux as a workstation - we're using Hyperscale as an incubator for GNOME backports until it takes off enough to get re-homed like the CPU SIG
2025-03-26 15:45:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info Davide and Michel has a community pavillion talk about how Meta uses CentOS Stream, Hyperscale will feature there too
2025-03-26 15:46:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> I don't have time to fish out links, since we only have 12 mins left
2025-03-26 15:46:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Tickets
2025-03-26 15:46:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> anything happened recently? let's take a quick look
2025-03-26 15:46:55 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we have a couple of kernel RFE tickets
2025-03-26 15:47:06 <@ngompa:fedora.im> they're waiting on RHEL Jiras being filed first before processing
2025-03-26 15:47:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> ps matrix.org has a status update now https://status.matrix.org/incidents/fhr7ky4ttlms
2025-03-26 15:47:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> they're still investigating
2025-03-26 15:47:46 <@ngompa:fedora.im> good to know
2025-03-26 15:49:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> there's the issue about documenting the GitLab workflows too
2025-03-26 15:49:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> but so far it seems that it works reasonably well even winging it
2025-03-26 15:50:07 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I'm hoping to get that up soon actually
2025-03-26 15:50:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> already better than the split situation of using Pagure but rebasing on top of an external repo (either Fedora's dist-git or GitLab) and not having working PRs
2025-03-26 15:50:19 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I need to figure out how much depth to document repo setup
2025-03-26 15:50:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh looks like... there's still the old feature request of enabling 9pfs, I can't remember why I filed it. let's see
2025-03-26 15:51:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> blocked on me filing JIRA. which I will try doing this week (still need to file a follow up asking why they didn't patch a second Emacs CVE)
2025-03-26 15:51:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's move on since the other two tickets I see are... membership
2025-03-26 15:51:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Membership
2025-03-26 15:51:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/185
2025-03-26 15:51:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> Vishal Mishra: want to introduce yourself?
2025-03-26 15:52:52 <@vishalmishra434:fedora.im> Hey Everyone,
2025-03-26 15:52:52 <@vishalmishra434:fedora.im> I am Vishal, I work at Meta and recently started focusing on openssh builds here. Excited to be here and looking forward to working with you all.
2025-03-26 15:54:05 <@ngompa:fedora.im> awesome!
2025-03-26 15:54:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> thanks Vishal
2025-03-26 15:54:10 <@ngompa:fedora.im> great to meet you
2025-03-26 15:54:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> I forgot, do we normally vote or we just ask for objections
2025-03-26 15:54:50 <@ngompa:fedora.im> the latter
2025-03-26 15:55:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> any objection?
2025-03-26 15:55:08 <@ngompa:fedora.im> none from me
2025-03-26 15:55:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's give it a minute, then we'll approve it and move on. There's another membership request but we don't have Tommy today so that will wait
2025-03-26 15:56:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> !info approved: welcoming Vishal to the Hyperscale SIG
2025-03-26 15:56:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (Fedora): want to process the ticket since I think you have access to the appropriate ACLs?
2025-03-26 15:57:06 <@ngompa:fedora.im> sure
2025-03-26 15:57:12 <@ngompa:fedora.im> and if I don't, I'll just bug Davide Cavalca 
2025-03-26 15:57:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, I think he's not available today though
2025-03-26 15:57:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Miscellaneous
2025-03-26 15:57:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder if we should call this open floor like the other meetings
2025-03-26 15:57:46 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we probably should
2025-03-26 15:57:53 <@ngompa:fedora.im> also typing that word is hard 😅
2025-03-26 15:58:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah that's why I was thinking of that :)
2025-03-26 15:58:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> I have one but it's more a CPU SIG thing really
2025-03-26 15:58:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> (which does not have its meeting yet - oh actually, the other part is probably relevant)
2025-03-26 15:59:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> 1. I floated it at the last Hyperscale hangout, but we are considering making that a combined Hyperscale / CPU SIG hangout since the membership overlaps anyway and scheduling an extra event is difficult
2025-03-26 16:00:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> 2. one thing CPU SIG might need to do differently than Hyperscale is... uh... if the package being updated is also released for i686 (ouch) on c9s / c10s - should it also release i686? how do we easily filter which package gets built for i686 and which one does not
2025-03-26 16:00:21 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we don't bother filtering
2025-03-26 16:00:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> # 2 is not theoretical, I just noticed freetype is actually available as i686 on c9s
2025-03-26 16:00:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> argh sorry, markdown
2025-03-26 16:00:55 <@ngompa:fedora.im> we will need CBS support for c9s i686
2025-03-26 16:00:59 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it currently does not exist
2025-03-26 16:01:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> in cases where it is installed, basically now you have two choices - either you can't use CPU SIG or you ... uninstall the i686
2025-03-26 16:01:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah ok, so we can just document this as a known limitation
2025-03-26 16:01:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> and... anyone else? I notice we're out of time
2025-03-26 16:01:52 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I've got nothing
2025-03-26 16:01:58 <@ngompa:fedora.im> thanks for running the meeting
2025-03-26 16:02:03 <@ngompa:fedora.im> (despite all the hiccups)
2025-03-26 16:02:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> np, not anyone's fault :)
2025-03-26 16:03:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> thanks all for coming!
2025-03-26 16:03:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> !endmeeting