2025-03-26 17:00:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server 
2025-03-26 17:00:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-26 17:00:08 UTC
2025-03-26 17:00:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server '
2025-03-26 17:00:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2025-03-26 17:00:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> As usual, let's wait a moment  for everybody to show up.
2025-03-26 17:00:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'll post the agenda in 2-3 minutes.
2025-03-26 17:01:10 <@eseyman:fedora.im> hello, folks.
2025-03-26 17:01:48 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-26 17:01:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman (eseyman) - he / him / his
2025-03-26 17:02:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, hi!   Zodbot woke up
2025-03-26 17:06:31 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are in a very small club at the moment. But  nirik is lurking as usual. So, we have our quorum (morfe or öe.  
2025-03-26 17:06:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are in a very small club at the moment. But  nirik is lurking as usual. So, we have our quorum (more or less.
2025-03-26 17:07:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> and we need to discuss the size of the aarch64 image...
2025-03-26 17:08:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> Emmanuel Seyman: Yes, that's urgent. 
2025-03-26 17:10:35 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, I see, Nirik is typing for a while now ??
2025-03-26 17:10:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I am typing into about 3 other rooms. ;) don't mind me
2025-03-26 17:10:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK.
2025-03-26 17:11:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> So let's start for now!
2025-03-26 17:11:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-03-26 17:11:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-26 17:11:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Bug: Fedora 42: Server boot aarch64 image exceeds maximum size
2025-03-26 17:11:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Status / progress Beta Testing
2025-03-26 17:11:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service
2025-03-26 17:12:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> !info  Open Floor
2025-03-26 17:12:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, leg's start.
2025-03-26 17:12:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 1. Follow-up actions & announcements
2025-03-26 17:12:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> Nothing new here, so we can skip to the next. ??
2025-03-26 17:13:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK.
2025-03-26 17:13:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 2. Bug: Fedora 42: Server boot aarch64 image exceeds maximum size
2025-03-26 17:13:52 <@pboy:fedora.im> no tracking issue yet
2025-03-26 17:14:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2352679 
2025-03-26 17:14:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> And we have a discussion on mailing list
2025-03-26 17:14:23 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Well, there issue #158
2025-03-26 17:14:32 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Well, there's issue #158
2025-03-26 17:14:49 <@eseyman:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/158
2025-03-26 17:15:56 <@eseyman:fedora.im> According to Adam's comment in the bug, the increase in firmware and kernel modules is what pushed us over the limit
2025-03-26 17:16:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> Sorry, I missed that, somehow
2025-03-26 17:16:33 <@eseyman:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2352679#c6
2025-03-26 17:18:43 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Given this, I'm tempted to say we should increase the maximum size of the image
2025-03-26 17:18:45 <@mowest:fedora.im> If the kernel is what is pushing us over the limit, I think we need to up the limit.
2025-03-26 17:18:57 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hi, Steve!
2025-03-26 17:19:02 <@mowest:fedora.im> Hello
2025-03-26 17:20:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome Steve!
2025-03-26 17:21:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> I also tend to accept this as an exception in any case, provided that Peter Robinson considers the current extent to be tolerable for the average hardware. And that's how I interpret his post on the mailing list.  
2025-03-26 17:21:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> We must then take our time to determine the necessary size.
2025-03-26 17:22:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> For x86_64 we should leave the size unchanged.
2025-03-26 17:24:45 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Honestly, I would just go for 1200000 bytes
2025-03-26 17:25:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> I'm fine with that, too.
2025-03-26 17:26:19 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Now to find out how one goes about increasing the max size
2025-03-26 17:27:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we can decide something like: 
2025-03-26 17:28:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> proposed !agreed If the ongoing attempts to reduce the size are not successful, Server WG is in favor of an increase to 1.2 GB as an exception. 
2025-03-26 17:28:15 <@mowest:fedora.im> I bow before others on the right size, but I'm okay with whatever the exact amount that is picked for the reasons mentioned on the mailing list.
2025-03-26 17:29:54 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> works for me. will 1.2gb cover the f42 release size?
2025-03-26 17:30:19 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I imagine the final release artifact might get a tiny bit bigger
2025-03-26 17:30:26 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-26 17:30:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Himpel (jwhimpel)
2025-03-26 17:30:44 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Sorry I am late.  Was sleeping due to pain medication
2025-03-26 17:30:49 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Oh yeah, I just saw the size in the bug
2025-03-26 17:31:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> The current size of the image is 1.02 GB
2025-03-26 17:32:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome John. Hope you are well now!
2025-03-26 17:32:24 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Adam gave a detailed step-by-step to diagnose the issue in an email
2025-03-26 17:33:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, abnd it revealed some unnesssary code in the image (only frelefant for x86)
2025-03-26 17:34:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: , you are the most experienced in this matter. Your opinion on the proposal? Or a better decision?
2025-03-26 17:36:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, Nirik seems to be too busy
2025-03-26 17:36:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any objections about the proposal or a better one?  
2025-03-26 17:38:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I see no objections. Therefore: 
2025-03-26 17:39:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> 
2025-03-26 17:39:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed If the ongoing attempts to reduce the size are not successful, Server WG is in favor of an increase to 1.2 GB as an exception for now.  
2025-03-26 17:39:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anything else to discuss here? 
2025-03-26 17:39:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> (it took much more time as I planned  :-)  )
2025-03-26 17:40:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, let's move on
2025-03-26 17:40:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic 3.  Status /progress Beta Testing
2025-03-26 17:41:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> I tested network and DVD for lokal interactive installation. There are some minor setbacks.
2025-03-26 17:41:58 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I tested the Workstation Live iso on my laptop. I must say I'm not a huge fan of the changes in Anaconda...
2025-03-26 17:42:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> E.G. after switching to the first summary screen after language selection it takes more than 1 minute with greyed items "Sojurce selection", install target" etc. 
2025-03-26 17:42:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> I didn't check Workstation yet.
2025-03-26 17:43:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> But that doesn't sound good. 
2025-03-26 17:43:32 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Maybe it's just me
2025-03-26 17:44:19 <@eseyman:fedora.im> So installation of Workstation took longer than expected which means I've haven't tested Server yet
2025-03-26 17:44:23 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Will do this weekend
2025-03-26 17:45:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> We should take a look at the anaconda changes in the next few weeks and possibly ask the developers. 
2025-03-26 17:45:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> And I still have to test the remote installation. There are some major changes. I'm curious. 
2025-03-26 17:46:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any other experiences with the release? 
2025-03-26 17:46:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, let's move on
2025-03-26 17:47:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> topic 4    Ansible assisted installation and configuration of NFS service 
2025-03-26 17:48:00 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I reviewed the roles this weekend and honestly could not find any suggestions to make
2025-03-26 17:49:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> That sounds good!. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to summarize my experiments properly. Somehow it didn't work the way I thought it would.  This is probably due to my inexperience with Ansible. 
2025-03-26 17:49:24 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I have held off generating/updating the docs till I had more feedback on roles.  In about a week I will begin working on the docs.
2025-03-26 17:50:11 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Peter Boy: What was different than you expected?
2025-03-26 17:50:12 <@mowest:fedora.im> Where are the current docs on using the Ansible roles?
2025-03-26 17:50:57 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> The docs for ansible are most usually stored in the README.md files for each role.
2025-03-26 17:51:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: I didn't get it to work. This is possibly because I haven't got my Ansible control node right yet. 
2025-03-26 17:51:59 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> I think I need to do a rough draft of a "best practices" doc for our ansible roles.  I can draw from the many currently published "best practices" docs.
2025-03-26 17:52:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> "best practices" sounds good  ;:-) 
2025-03-26 17:53:55 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Ansible is not hard.  It's just that everything and it's brother are configurable.  So no two setups are often alike.
2025-03-26 17:54:04 <@mowest:fedora.im> Perhaps I'm confusing some terminology. But can't you use "Ansible Pull" to bring in the playbooks without having a control node? Wouldn't this be a great way to use it on the home servers.
2025-03-26 17:56:05 <@eseyman:fedora.im> You can specify a local connection and the playbook will run locally. You will still need "/usr/bin/ansible-playbook" on your system
2025-03-26 17:56:35 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> There are multiple ways to use Ansible.  One is rather simple and rudimentary (just playbooks).  A step up is Roles.  A step beyond that is Ansible modules.  Then RedHat has developed a "controller" to help manage sites that have large ansible setups (I haven't used that feature yet).  I find it best to start with playbooks and roles.
2025-03-26 17:57:23 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> you could just box up the roles and specific playbooks in an rpm and distribute them. it doesn't have to be complex with a controller. ansible will ansible itself if you ask it to.
2025-03-26 17:58:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> I tried a local server on my home network as control node and to install NFS on one of my public servers. The classic use case, so to speak. 
2025-03-26 18:02:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have tried to set up the control node as briefly described in https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/ansible-support-intro/.  
2025-03-26 18:02:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> nirik: Tnanks!
2025-03-26 18:03:10 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> Peter Boy: Let me review that document and get back to you. 
2025-03-26 18:03:53 <@jwhimpel:fedora.im> It would be helpful if you could send me any error messages you are seeing.
2025-03-26 18:04:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> John Himpel: I'll continue on Friday with my Ansible "experiments". And send you a mail.
2025-03-26 18:07:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, Emmanuel is typing for a while ??
2025-03-26 18:07:42 <@eseyman:fedora.im> No. Not at all
2025-03-26 18:07:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, bug in Element here.
2025-03-26 18:08:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Our time is up and my family is waiting for the dinner. We should continue next week and start with this topic.
2025-03-26 18:08:54 <@eseyman:fedora.im> This just in. Our proposal talk for Flock has been accepted
2025-03-26 18:09:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, wonderfull! 
2025-03-26 18:09:31 <@mowest:fedora.im> Ok, let's end, and enjoy your family dinner.
2025-03-26 18:10:10 <@pboy:fedora.im> We  should start next week with this topic, So that this is not just too short again.  
2025-03-26 18:10:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> By bye, see you next week!
2025-03-26 18:10:50 <@eseyman:fedora.im> bye, folks!
2025-03-26 18:10:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting