2025-04-17 19:07:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 17 Apr '25
2025-04-17 19:07:59 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-17 19:07:55 UTC
2025-04-17 19:08:00 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 17 Apr '25'
2025-04-17 19:08:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-04-17 19:08:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-04-17 19:08:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-04-17 19:09:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-17 19:09:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-04-17 19:11:25 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-04-17 19:11:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-04-17 19:11:37 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-04-17 19:11:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-04-17 19:11:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon and Davide Cavalca 
2025-04-17 19:12:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry about the late start.
2025-04-17 19:12:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic New business
2025-04-17 19:13:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-17 19:14:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't have as much as Yaakov usually does.  Does anyone have anything new while I search for my one.
2025-04-17 19:15:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yaakov asked me to look into https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/pull-request/1476
2025-04-17 19:16:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-17 19:16:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> ok matrix is definitely messing up somewhere
2025-04-17 19:17:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-04-17 19:17:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-04-17 19:17:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't think it requires much meeting time, rather regular matrix channel time, but I'm not totally sure what the change is going to do.
2025-04-17 19:17:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> Sigh does this work at all
2025-04-17 19:17:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind UTC-6  ... yep, we see you.
2025-04-17 19:17:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> Good, message sync between my accounts seem wonky
2025-04-17 19:18:02 <@davide:cavalca.name> I'm also getting delayed messages looks like
2025-04-17 19:18:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there any other new ELN business before I move on to old business?
2025-04-17 19:18:52 <@elguero:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-17 19:18:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (elguero)
2025-04-17 19:19:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michael L. Young 
2025-04-17 19:19:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, I almost missed the Missing License
2025-04-17 19:20:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/245
2025-04-17 19:20:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have some code in the ELN repo, that was put there while we were still setting things up and figuring things out.
2025-04-17 19:21:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The code is still there, and nobody put a license on their code.
2025-04-17 19:22:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thus far, I believe the consensus is to just remove the code rather than put some license on it.
2025-04-17 19:22:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have objections to that?
2025-04-17 19:23:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> if we can't find who wrote it and get their consent, and are pretty sure they no longer work anyway... yeah
2025-04-17 19:23:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, we know who wrote most of it.  It's just that at the time, we weren't thinking of licenses and just threw it up.  And ... nowdays none of it works.
2025-04-17 19:24:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> At least my stuff doesn't.
2025-04-17 19:24:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> that sounds good enough to me :)
2025-04-17 19:25:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess we can finish it up in the ticket. ... but if anyone has an opinion, put it in the ticket.
2025-04-17 19:25:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on to old business
2025-04-17 19:25:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-04-17 19:26:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have any old ticket / things they want to talk about, before I pick three old issues?
2025-04-17 19:27:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... picking some old issues is harder than Yaakov makes it look.
2025-04-17 19:28:12 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> hehe
2025-04-17 19:29:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, here's one.
2025-04-17 19:29:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/223
2025-04-17 19:31:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone know the status of getting systemd-standalone-sysusers into RHEL CRB, or some place accessable to image builds?
2025-04-17 19:32:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know the shift in how users are added in spec files affects EPEL packages, if not done right.
2025-04-17 19:32:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not totally sure how it's affecting the ELN packages and image builds.
2025-04-17 19:34:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll take the silence to mean that others don't know as much as I do.
2025-04-17 19:34:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227
2025-04-17 19:35:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I didn't know about this issue.
2025-04-17 19:36:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know that for me, and possibly others, it would be easier to move everything over into the Fedora-ELN workgroup.
2025-04-17 19:36:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> (is workgroup the right name, I'm not sure what github calls them)
2025-04-17 19:37:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is everyone ok with moving things over?  Or do you think it's going to affect your workflows?
2025-04-17 19:37:38 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> moving it over makes sense i suppose
2025-04-17 19:37:51 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> especially if it makes managing things easier
2025-04-17 19:38:01 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> fwiw, Github calls them Organizations
2025-04-17 19:38:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think the biggest thing it would affect would be https://github.com/minimization/content-resolver-input
2025-04-17 19:38:41 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Yep, i think we'd need to do a bit of an effort to update links, even if a redirect does work for an indefinite time
2025-04-17 19:39:16 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah we'd have a few things to update but this should be fine
2025-04-17 19:39:58 <@davide:cavalca.name> As we were discussing in epel, another option is waiting till forejo exists and consider moving everything there instead. Or using gitlab.
2025-04-17 19:40:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think in the long run, it will make things less confusing.  Whenever I do content-resolver work, I always go to the wrong place first.
2025-04-17 19:40:08 <@davide:cavalca.name> I don't personally have a strong preference here 
2025-04-17 19:40:42 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> having it in minimization also ... minimizes, what it does, i think
2025-04-17 19:40:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... that's a good point.  If fedora is going to forgio ... just wait and move it all over there would be a good idea.
2025-04-17 19:41:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> hm that's a good point too re: forgejo/gitlab
2025-04-17 19:41:20 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i defer to y'all who are doing most of the work 😃
2025-04-17 19:42:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although moving it all to gitlab would make it easier to do the ELN -> CentOS Stream sync easier ... having it close to the Fedora -> ELN sync (in forgio) also has it's appeals.
2025-04-17 19:43:32 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah I think this is one of those projects that could go either way. For gitlab one issue to consider is you'd need to move under either redhat or centos or you won't have an enterprise account 
2025-04-17 19:44:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Good point.
2025-04-17 19:44:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm curious what way Yaakov is leaning.
2025-04-17 19:44:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> Need to bounce
2025-04-17 19:44:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> After the meeting, I'll put these various things in the issue.
2025-04-17 19:45:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Michel Lind UTC-6: Any conflicts with next weeks meeting?
2025-04-17 19:45:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was going to move on, and it looks like that is next on the agenda.
2025-04-17 19:45:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2025-04-17 19:46:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't have any conflicts next week, and Yaakov should be back as well.
2025-04-17 19:48:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, let's move on to Open Floor then
2025-04-17 19:48:59 <@davide:cavalca.name> Michel and I have a work event I think
2025-04-17 19:49:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ahh ... ok, so that drops the numbers .
2025-04-17 19:49:46 <@davide:cavalca.name> [@salimma:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@salimma:fedora.im) is it next week or the one after? I don't actually remember offhand
2025-04-17 19:49:58 <@davide:cavalca.name> (the kernel thing)
2025-04-17 19:52:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think Michel has already left.  We'll have to figure it out during the week on the regular Matrix channel.
2025-04-17 19:52:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-04-17 19:52:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> anything else before we close?
2025-04-17 19:53:14 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah I can check later, don't have the work calendar handy rn
2025-04-17 19:54:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> Week after next
2025-04-17 19:54:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, so it sounds like next week should be good for everyone.
2025-04-17 19:55:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's looking like our time is almost up.
2025-04-17 19:56:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming and discussing.  And sorry for my late start.
2025-04-17 19:56:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting