2025-04-23 15:07:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> !startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG
2025-04-23 15:07:49 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-23 15:07:47 UTC
2025-04-23 15:07:49 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
2025-04-23 15:07:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> !topic Roll call
2025-04-23 15:08:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-23 15:08:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-04-23 15:08:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-04-23 15:08:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-04-23 15:08:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> our chairs are running a bit late, so just starting the check in
2025-04-23 15:08:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> g'day Michel, hope all is well
2025-04-23 15:09:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> hi Neil! reasonably well, just have to watch the kid at home for a few more mins
2025-04-23 15:09:14 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-23 15:09:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Raymond Colebaugh (rcolebaugh) - he / him / his
2025-04-23 15:10:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-23 15:10:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-04-23 15:10:19 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-04-23 15:10:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-04-23 15:13:35 <@davide:cavalca.name> morning folks
2025-04-23 15:13:40 <@davide:cavalca.name> let's get started
2025-04-23 15:13:42 <@davide:cavalca.name> !topic Followups
2025-04-23 15:13:52 <@davide:cavalca.name> anybody has followups from the last meeting?
2025-04-23 15:15:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we have our first composes!
2025-04-23 15:15:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> I remembered too late we want to start cleaning up inactive members
2025-04-23 15:15:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> they exist
2025-04-23 15:15:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and things and stuff
2025-04-23 15:15:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> made with kurchu
2025-04-23 15:15:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> so I'll try to get a PR for membership process before the next meeting
2025-04-23 15:15:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> now we need to release kurchu
2025-04-23 15:15:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm working on a blog post to introduce kurchu to the world
2025-04-23 15:16:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-04-23 15:16:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we already have an existing process to drop people, we just haven't been doing it
2025-04-23 15:17:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we need to just go ahead and prune everyone with no activity for a year or something like that
2025-04-23 15:18:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> we say 6 months here, it turns out https://sig.centos.org/hyperscale/policies/governance/
2025-04-23 15:18:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think we just need to flesh out the actual process - e.g. what counts as contributions, how often we run the purge, etc.?
2025-04-23 15:18:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so let's just do it
2025-04-23 15:19:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's going to be kind of painful, but membership bankruptcy is important esp since that controls gitlab access
2025-04-23 15:19:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. so just tiny tweak to the docs, and a tool to automatically grab activity data
2025-04-23 15:19:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> contributions counts as meaningful attendence and feedback or code work
2025-04-23 15:19:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> we can start purging the members that have not been seen for a year, those are definitely inactive, and play it by ear for 6-12 months
2025-04-23 15:20:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, so the script will need to check the meeting logs too
2025-04-23 15:20:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> qa work will count too
2025-04-23 15:20:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-04-23 15:20:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> that and builds will be easy. Pagure PR comments might need to be added. but we can start simple and do manual checks for those that are false positives
2025-04-23 15:20:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> fortunately MXIDs map nicely to FAS for the most part
2025-04-23 15:21:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so we can check based on that
2025-04-23 15:21:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> and now gitlab too, yay. ouch
2025-04-23 15:21:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think the name shows up in the meeting log? for those that use hi properly anyway
2025-04-23 15:21:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> but it's 20 past, let's move on - anyone else has a follow up?
2025-04-23 15:22:04 <@davide:cavalca.name> I meant to update the release packages and mock configs but haven't gotten around it yet
2025-04-23 15:24:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> on the topic of things that need to be done, I guess I'll pivot soon to prepping Hyperscale GNOME - this will also involve properly launching Proposed Updates' website and announcing it anyway
2025-04-23 15:24:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> and try and _not_ do anything else until Summit, since that's coming up really soon
2025-04-23 15:28:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> next up
2025-04-23 15:28:37 <@davide:cavalca.name> !topic Announcements
2025-04-23 15:28:56 <@davide:cavalca.name> as Michel mentioned, a bunch of us will be at Summit in a few weeks, with several talks planned
2025-04-23 15:31:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> it will be a konflux of talks
2025-04-23 15:31:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Davide and I need to get heads-down on CentOS Hyperscale Asahi
2025-04-23 15:31:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 🤦‍♂️
2025-04-23 15:31:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, I suggested just renaming our 7zip review 7zip-standalone and get it unblocked
2025-04-23 15:33:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> on that note, I also came up with this abomination to workaround a missing subpackage for pipewire in el10: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2361814
2025-04-23 15:33:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm starting to really, really hate -epel packages
2025-04-23 15:34:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh related to that, we'll need to bring iptables to Hyperscale, *but* will only be making a hs+fb build
2025-04-23 15:35:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> seems fine to me
2025-04-23 15:35:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that should be easy, just make sure you branch it appropriately so people know
2025-04-23 15:36:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah yes, that's interesting - we have not discussed that for the new gitlab branching structure
2025-04-23 15:36:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> I guess cXs-hs-fb ? or can we use + symbols
2025-04-23 15:38:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> I don't see a rule against + so it might be fine, we'll see
2025-04-23 15:38:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you can use +
2025-04-23 15:39:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you just can't use ~ and @ I think
2025-04-23 15:40:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> there's a bunch more rules but I don't think we violate them anyway
2025-04-23 15:40:58 <@davide:cavalca.name> did we write up the branching policy for gitlab somewhere?
2025-04-23 15:41:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> ^, :, ?,  [, .., etc.
2025-04-23 15:41:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> and gitlab has additional rules too
2025-04-23 15:41:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think we're still waiting for the gitlab contribution guide
2025-04-23 15:41:34 <@davide:cavalca.name> on the Meta side, we have a few folks that want to start using it for other packages, so it'd be good to have everything formalized
2025-04-23 15:41:39 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://docs.gitlab.com/user/project/repository/branches/#name-your-branch
2025-04-23 15:41:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've got a branch to push as a PR for this
2025-04-23 15:41:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've just been in firefighting mode up until F42 released last week
2025-04-23 15:44:58 <@davide:cavalca.name> anything else for announcements?
2025-04-23 15:47:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> crickets
2025-04-23 15:47:21 <@davide:cavalca.name> !topic Tickets
2025-04-23 15:48:47 <@davide:cavalca.name> !topic Membership
2025-04-23 15:50:26 <@davide:cavalca.name> Tommy was trying to join but he's having matrix trouble
2025-04-23 15:50:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> we can wait a bit
2025-04-23 15:51:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> "having matrix trouble" sums up my last month quite well
2025-04-23 15:52:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least they seem to be calming down for me
2025-04-23 15:52:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think most of the trouble came from the transition to MAS
2025-04-23 15:52:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah but Matrix's paid offering being shittier than matrix.org takes the cake
2025-04-23 15:52:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's like they're trying so hard to fail
2025-04-23 15:53:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> Tommy is here! yay
2025-04-23 15:53:12 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> Wow, I never thought I’d make it here 😂
2025-04-23 15:53:20 <@davide:cavalca.name> https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/189
2025-04-23 15:53:28 <@davide:cavalca.name> tommy-u: wanna introduce yourself to the group?
2025-04-23 15:55:35 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> 
2025-04-23 15:55:35 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> Hello friends, I’m Tommy, I recently joined meta after spending way too much time building custom OSs in academia.
2025-04-23 15:55:35 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> I used to intern with Red Hat a bunch and worked on a wacky project to turn Linux into a unikernel 
2025-04-23 15:55:35 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> 
2025-04-23 15:55:35 <@tommy-u:matrix.org>  It’s a pleasure to meet everyone :)
2025-04-23 15:56:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> welcome Tommy
2025-04-23 15:56:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> want to say a bit about what you plan to work on in Hyperscale?
2025-04-23 15:56:20 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> Hi Tommy, welcome! :)
2025-04-23 15:59:21 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> Sorry I’m very much a hyper scale noob. I’ve been doing some work on integration testing systemd. Does that project fall under the hyper scale unbrella 🤦‍♂️
2025-04-23 15:59:41 <@davide:cavalca.name> yep
2025-04-23 16:01:41 <@davide:cavalca.name> we're out of time; any objections to Tommy joining the Hyperscale SIG ?
2025-04-23 16:01:54 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> None from me!
2025-04-23 16:02:24 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> Ok cool, I’m involved with the project of using systemd to launch containers within our data centers. Hopefully some of this integration testing will help make sure we don’t break upstream as we move forward adding this functionality :)
2025-04-23 16:03:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> is that using nspawn?
2025-04-23 16:03:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> would be neat to see it used at scale
2025-04-23 16:03:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> but yeah we can continue this in #centos-hyperscale:fedoraproject.org and free up the room
2025-04-23 16:04:03 <@davide:cavalca.name> !agreed welcome tommy-u to the Hyperscale SIG
2025-04-23 16:04:12 <@davide:cavalca.name> I will take care of the paperwork after this
2025-04-23 16:04:12 <@tommy-u:matrix.org> Currently we’re using systemd-run, but nspawn keeps coming up and I’d like to look into it as an alternative 
2025-04-23 16:04:23 <@davide:cavalca.name> thanks everyone!
2025-04-23 16:04:25 <@davide:cavalca.name> !endmeeting