2025-04-29 17:00:59 <@fale:fale.io> !startmeeting FESCO (2025-04-29) 2025-04-29 17:01:03 <@fale:fale.io> !meetingname fesco 2025-04-29 17:01:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-29 17:00:59 UTC 2025-04-29 17:01:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-04-29)' 2025-04-29 17:01:08 <@fale:fale.io> !group members fesco 2025-04-29 17:01:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco 2025-04-29 17:01:13 <@fale:fale.io> !topic Init Process 2025-04-29 17:01:17 <@fale:fale.io> !hi 2025-04-29 17:01:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of fesco: David Cantrell, Fabio Valentini, Fabio Alessandro Locati, Tomáš Hrčka, Kevin Fenzi, Matthew Miller, ngompa (@conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @pharaoh_atem:opensuse.org, @ngompa:kde.org, @ngompa:almalinux.im), Michel Lind, Stephen Gallagher, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 2025-04-29 17:01:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi 2025-04-29 17:01:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his 2025-04-29 17:01:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek) 2025-04-29 17:02:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning 2025-04-29 17:02:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi 2025-04-29 17:03:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his 2025-04-29 17:04:01 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi 2025-04-29 17:04:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his 2025-04-29 17:04:18 <@fale:fale.io> we have the quorum, but let's wait another minute to see if someone else arrives as well :) 2025-04-29 17:05:17 <@fale:fale.io> !topic #3390 Allow "interactive gating" for bodhi updates that fail CoreOS tests 2025-04-29 17:07:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi 2025-04-29 17:07:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his 2025-04-29 17:07:32 <@fale:fale.io> !fesco 3390 2025-04-29 17:07:32 <@fale:fale.io> I think the majority of commenter were in favor of CoreOS SIG members joining releng, but I did not saw a clear voting on this 2025-04-29 17:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3390** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3390):**Allow "interactive gating" for bodhi updates that fail CoreOS tests** 2025-04-29 17:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned 2025-04-29 17:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 19 hours ago 2025-04-29 17:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by dustymabe 2025-04-29 17:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2025-04-29 17:08:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> do we need to vote on that? if the flow is just to join releng and nirik is OK with that 2025-04-29 17:08:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah 2025-04-29 17:09:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't know that we need a vote... was anyone opposed? 2025-04-29 17:09:28 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> No, a few votes in support and otherwise silence. 2025-04-29 17:09:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> if we need to vote formally I'm happy to +1 2025-04-29 17:09:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm +1 to having CoreOS folks join releng 2025-04-29 17:09:54 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> me too 2025-04-29 17:10:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm -1 to giving CoreOS a special exception to bypass releng 2025-04-29 17:10:02 <@fale:fale.io> +1 2025-04-29 17:10:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, +1 2025-04-29 17:11:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> in principle, I am not particularly convinced that this should be a thing at all 2025-04-29 17:11:02 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I was +1 in the ticket 2025-04-29 17:11:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> untagging things should be extraordinary, not regular 2025-04-29 17:11:42 <@fale:fale.io> !decision AGREED (+6,0,-0) 2025-04-29 17:11:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right 2025-04-29 17:11:51 <@fale:fale.io> Yes, I agree with Neal 2025-04-29 17:12:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm more concerned that this was considered a sensible request at all. 2025-04-29 17:13:26 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> FWIW, I'm happy that the coreos folks are trying DTRT and engage in QA in the normal Fedora workflows. The details can be figure out. 2025-04-29 17:15:04 <@fale:fale.io> !agreed some CoreOS SIG members will join releng (6,0,-0) 2025-04-29 17:15:16 <@fale:fale.io> !topic #3394 Add Docker Plugin RPMs to Update Policy Exception List 2025-04-29 17:15:21 <@fale:fale.io> !fesco 3394 2025-04-29 17:15:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by buckaroogeek 2025-04-29 17:15:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2025-04-29 17:15:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned 2025-04-29 17:15:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 20 hours ago 2025-04-29 17:15:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3394** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3394):**Add Docker Plugin RPMs to Update Policy Exception List** 2025-04-29 17:16:12 <@fale:fale.io> I see only 3 +1s in this one 2025-04-29 17:16:40 <@fale:fale.io> and many comments, not disagreeing, though progressing the conversation 2025-04-29 17:17:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess I can be +1... 2025-04-29 17:18:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> I was going to +1 but then from gotmax's comments it does not even seem necessary? 2025-04-29 17:18:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah gotmax said it's fine for at least some of the plugins 2025-04-29 17:18:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> so +1 2025-04-29 17:19:22 <@fale:fale.io> Fabio Valentini: you said in the ticket that you are "generally +1", does this include this specific case? 2025-04-29 17:21:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yes, I meant "in general this seems sensible request but it doesn't seem strictly necessary in this case" 2025-04-29 17:21:18 <@fale:fale.io> oh, sorry :) 2025-04-29 17:21:20 <@fale:fale.io> !agreed update policy exception granted (6,0,-0) 2025-04-29 17:21:59 <@fale:fale.io> !topic #3385 Change: Java25 And No More System JDK 2025-04-29 17:22:05 <@fale:fale.io> !fesco 3385 2025-04-29 17:22:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2025-04-29 17:22:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** jvanek 2025-04-29 17:22:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 8 hours ago 2025-04-29 17:22:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3385** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3385):**Change: Java25 And No More System JDK** 2025-04-29 17:22:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 weeks ago by amoloney 2025-04-29 17:22:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> did someone rewrite this change document to be understandable yet? 2025-04-29 17:22:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not up for another round of confusion :) 2025-04-29 17:22:45 <@fale:fale.io> this one was not in the list for today, but there has been updates so if we want to comment it we can :) 2025-04-29 17:23:05 <@fale:fale.io> I personally do not like the external link that is "required" to make more sense of the proposal 2025-04-29 17:23:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> can we ask someone to refresh the change document then? 2025-04-29 17:24:32 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> the only thing I remain confused about is that the two change owners seem to disagree whether packages should get proactively updated to use OpenJDK 25 or not, and whether the default should change or not ... 2025-04-29 17:25:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There was some mention of 'can't change the proposal', but... why not? shouldn't have to keep adding. 2025-04-29 17:26:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> maybe 2025-04-29 17:26:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> > Being unable to remove anything from proposal 2025-04-29 17:26:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> this was meant to say "everything there is important, I don't *want* to drop anything"? 2025-04-29 17:26:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 2025-04-29 17:26:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 2025-04-29 17:26:12 <@fale:fale.io> Jvanek changed the proposal multiple times today: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Changes/Java25AndNoMoreSystemJdk&action=history so it does not seem a technical issue 2025-04-29 17:26:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ah, could be I misread that yeah 2025-04-29 17:27:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, everyone please ask more questions/read the changes and we will invite change owner next week? 2025-04-29 17:28:38 <@fale:fale.io> works for me. I would prefer if the proposal is clear enough by next that we can vote it without the need of the change proposal re-explaining it to us another time, but better safe than sorry :) 2025-04-29 17:31:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> same 2025-04-29 17:31:23 <@fale:fale.io> !topic Next week's chair 2025-04-29 17:31:25 <@fale:fale.io> any takers? 2025-04-29 17:31:48 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I can do it. 2025-04-29 17:31:58 <@fale:fale.io> !action zbyszek will chair next meeting 2025-04-29 17:32:01 <@fale:fale.io> thanks zbyszek :) 2025-04-29 17:32:07 <@fale:fale.io> !topic Open Floor 2025-04-29 17:32:39 <@fale:fale.io> I have one OF topic: Do we have any info on https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3305 ? 2025-04-29 17:33:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Aoife Moloney answered that query in devel? 2025-04-29 17:33:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> "I have an action to write a draft of the council statement on the issue, it's in the works and I should have something to share with FESCo members and peter by tomorrow for review before we publish it" 2025-04-29 17:34:39 <@fale:fale.io> uh, missed that! Sorry 2025-04-29 17:35:03 <@fale:fale.io> no other points from my side then :) 2025-04-29 17:35:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> One quick plea from me... 2025-04-29 17:36:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we have a number of packager-sponsor requests open. https://pagure.io/packager-sponsors/issues it would be great if folks could pick through them and find people who still need sponsoring, etc. 2025-04-29 17:36:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we should close old ones, but I have not had any time to investigate if they are just old or now unwanted 2025-04-29 17:36:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I am working on https://pagure.io/packager-sponsors/issue/714 2025-04-29 17:38:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thats all from me 2025-04-29 17:40:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Oh, and https://pagure.io/packager-sponsors/issue/702 has asked to be reconsidered. ;) please add comments... 2025-04-29 17:40:59 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I need to go. See you next week. 2025-04-29 17:41:09 <@fale:fale.io> !endmeeting