#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:00:50

!startmeeting ELN SIG 15 May '25

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:52

Meeting started at 2025-05-15 19:00:50 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:52

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 15 May '25'

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:00

!meetingname eln

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:01

The Meeting Name is now eln

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:06

!topic Init process

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:07

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:09

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:26

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:27

Troy Dawson (tdawson)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:35

Flight is super delayed and is about to take off so I guess I'm out

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:45

safe flight!

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:58

I think Davide is in the air and has terrible wifi

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:02:05

Thank you!

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:02:36

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:02:37

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:02:44

yeah I can try following but it keeps dropping

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:03:03

no worries

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:04:51

maybe this will just be a quick one

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:04:58

!topic New business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:05:04

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/248

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:05

!info rc6 kernel failed testing, was caught by gating in rawhide but went through to ELN, caused failures in openqa. offending kernels have been untagged from ELN.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:06:11

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:06:12

Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:06:17

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:06:19

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:43

which leads to:

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:45

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/249

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:10

we're finding out all sorts of things about our openqa testing, unfortunately none of them good

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:47

first there seems to be no GUI testing, as the new backgrounds didn't break anything (ironic, I know)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:43

secondly, when things do fail, we don't get notified. the only reason I noticed the openqa failure was because I happened to be speaking with a teammate about it and therefore looked and noticed it.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:10:43

so, we'll need to get some messaging-based notifications in place at a minimum

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:11:24

ultimately gated composes could be the goal, but that's a long-term goal

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:11:49

anyway, that's just a headsup, in case anyone was wondering why the kernel went backwards the last couple days

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:53

That does sound like a very good goal ... but yes, it will take a while to get there.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:12:26

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/247

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:12:34

Troy Dawson: ?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:10

So I've taken a look at this, and it's going to take a bit of work. Just because of the various formats and sizes.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:45

I've done it before, so it's not that big of a deal. I was just hoping for a bit more automation since I did it last time, but it doesn't look like it.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:13:54

in what format/size(s) do we have the ELN icon?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:08

svg

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:14:27

then do we need png at all nowadays?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:34

svg is infinitaly resize and reformatable, so it's the version we want/need.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:08

You'd think we wouldn't need all those formats and sizes, but it certainly looks like we do.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:15:24

formats perhaps, WSL needs .ico for instance

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:44

Anyway, it's nothing that some conversion tools won't handle ...

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:16:12

I really wonder if the .png are still needed (e.g. referred to by full file path) or if .svg in `%_datadir/icons/hicolor/scalable/...` is enough

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:25

I think the "keep logos seperate from backgrounds" discussion, I agree with you. And at least at first, let's keep them seperate.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:25

Well, I don't think it's my job to rework the fedora-logos, and all it's dependencies, to remove the .png files. I might agree with you, but I'm pretty sure we will break things in so many places.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:57

For the moment though, it's not the highest priority, but something I'm going to gradually work on.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:20:46

agreed, but it would be interesting to compare fedora-logos with centos-logos and see what we actually need to provide

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:53

Yep, and I was going to do that. There are several desktop/workgroup specific sections that won't be in RHEL that I plan on chopping off.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:22:34

don't chop off KDE though

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:22:47

not that I suspect you would

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:22

Na ... and there isn't one ... but there is anaconda/{atomic,cloud,server,silverblue,workstation) ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:41

well, I wouldn't chop off workstation, or server, or possibly cloud.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:52

Anyway, at the moment, not too much to report on it other than I've started.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:26:18

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/246

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:27:09

I now have a script for listing ELN packages which are orphaned, and one package is still left

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:27:24

namely, po4a

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:28:48

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:28:49

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:28:55

sorry am late

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:29:07

no worries

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:29:52

eventually we should have some automated notifications of this too, which is what the ticket is for

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:14

it's been a busy week

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:20

!topic Old business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:37

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/233

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:31:56

just during this meeting, Fabio Valentini pushed and built eln branches of 3 more rust packages

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:32:14

Oh, cool

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:33:32

so we'll need to have EBS skip those packages too, just posted an MR for that

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:35:48

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/222

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:35:55

Troy Dawson again?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:34

So, we are very close on this.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:37:36

The current problem(s) are that when we use wsl-setup, the images have a name, but the name is Fedora-43, and the logo is the Fedora logo.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:24

There is also the problem that the images are tar.gz (or possibly .xz) instead of .wsl.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:15

The .wsl problem is getting fixed in kiwi. They already have the fix in kiwi, just waiting for it to be released and make it to the koji builders, and then I can change our kiwi-descption to use that.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:57

I've made a pull request to wsl-setup to allow custom naming so we can name it Fedora-ELN

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:24

And then the logo problem, is one of the reasons I made the logo issue we saw above.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:03

So, nothing huge, but three/four seperate items.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:19

I really should put all that in the issue.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:42:58

all those caveats aside, the images do work though

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:14

OK, I put all that in the issue ... I'll get the links to each of the items soon.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:19

Yes, yes they do.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:43:43

tested myself by running ELN in WSL on Windows 11 in a QEMU/KVM user session from a Fedora 42 flatpak build of virt-manager on Fedora 41

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:43:59

why? because WHY NOT! 😁

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:46:33

I have to say, I'm impressed with WSL. Once I got a CS10 image on my windows machine, it doesn't feel like an island in a sea of linux. I can now do things with it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:46:46

But I digress ... sorry.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:47:11

that's how I used to feel about cygwin

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:47:32

anyway, moving along

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:47:36

!topic Next meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:48:01

next week is Red Hat Summit

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:48:43

Although I will be available ... I think I'm the minority.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:49:22

possibly, who's planning to go to summit?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:51:12

I'm pretty sure Neal, Michel and Davide will be there.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:51:20

I don't know about Stephen or Niel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:51:38

I don't know about Stephen or Neil

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:51:40

I'm not going to summit but I do live outside Boston. Still, I'll probably be around

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:52:23

should we try next week or just cancel now?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:53:13

I get the feeling it's going to just be you and me, and possibly Neil...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:53:42

I'm ok canceling and if we have anything, just say it on the matrix channel.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:53:53

agreed

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:54:08

works for me. I promise I'll get to grpc today.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:54:46

!info next meeting in a fortnight, Thursday 29 May 15:00 EDT (next week skipped due to RH Summit)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:54:53

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:55:14

Nothing from me.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:56:46

!info ELN is at a record low 2300 packages even

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:57:31

it's been a struggle to break the 2300 barrier though, it's not easy to find things to trim ourselves anymore

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:59:49

seeing nothing further, thank you all for coming, travel safely, and see you in channel

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:59:52

!endmeeting