2025-05-15 19:00:50 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 15 May '25
2025-05-15 19:00:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-15 19:00:50 UTC
2025-05-15 19:00:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 15 May '25'
2025-05-15 19:01:00 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-05-15 19:01:01 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-05-15 19:01:06 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-05-15 19:01:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-15 19:01:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-05-15 19:01:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-15 19:01:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-05-15 19:01:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> Flight is super delayed and is about to take off so I guess I'm out
2025-05-15 19:01:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> safe flight!
2025-05-15 19:01:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think Davide is in the air and has terrible wifi
2025-05-15 19:02:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> Thank you!
2025-05-15 19:02:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-05-15 19:02:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-05-15 19:02:44 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah I can try following but it keeps dropping
2025-05-15 19:03:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no worries
2025-05-15 19:04:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> maybe this will just be a quick one
2025-05-15 19:04:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic New business
2025-05-15 19:05:04 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/248
2025-05-15 19:06:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info rc6 kernel failed testing, was caught by gating in rawhide but went through to ELN, caused failures in openqa.  offending kernels have been untagged from ELN.
2025-05-15 19:06:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-15 19:06:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-05-15 19:06:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-15 19:06:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-05-15 19:06:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> which leads to:
2025-05-15 19:06:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/249
2025-05-15 19:07:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> we're finding out all sorts of things about our openqa testing, unfortunately none of them good
2025-05-15 19:07:47 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> first there seems to be no GUI testing, as the new backgrounds didn't break anything (ironic, I know)
2025-05-15 19:08:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> secondly, when things do fail, we don't get notified.  the only reason I noticed the openqa failure was because I happened to be speaking with a teammate about it and therefore looked and noticed it.
2025-05-15 19:10:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so, we'll need to get some messaging-based notifications in place at a minimum
2025-05-15 19:11:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ultimately gated composes could be the goal, but that's a long-term goal
2025-05-15 19:11:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyway, that's just a headsup, in case anyone was wondering why the kernel went backwards the last couple days
2025-05-15 19:11:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That does sound like a very good goal ... but yes, it will take a while to get there.
2025-05-15 19:12:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/247
2025-05-15 19:12:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Troy Dawson: ?
2025-05-15 19:13:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So I've taken a look at this, and it's going to take a bit of work.  Just because of the various formats and sizes.
2025-05-15 19:13:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've done it before, so it's not that big of a deal.  I was just hoping for a bit more automation since I did it last time, but it doesn't look like it.
2025-05-15 19:13:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in what format/size(s) do we have the ELN icon?
2025-05-15 19:14:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> svg
2025-05-15 19:14:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> then do we need png at all nowadays?
2025-05-15 19:14:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> svg is infinitaly resize and reformatable, so it's the version we want/need.
2025-05-15 19:15:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> You'd think we wouldn't need all those formats and sizes, but it certainly looks like we do.
2025-05-15 19:15:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> formats perhaps, WSL needs .ico for instance
2025-05-15 19:15:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway, it's nothing that some conversion tools won't handle ...
2025-05-15 19:16:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I really wonder if the .png are still needed (e.g. referred to by full file path) or if .svg in `%_datadir/icons/hicolor/scalable/...` is enough
2025-05-15 19:16:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think the "keep logos seperate from backgrounds" discussion, I agree with you.   And at least at first, let's keep them seperate.
2025-05-15 19:18:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, I don't think it's my job to rework the fedora-logos, and all it's dependencies, to remove the .png files.  I might agree with you, but I'm pretty sure we will break things in so many places.
2025-05-15 19:19:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For the moment though, it's not the highest priority, but something I'm going to gradually work on.
2025-05-15 19:20:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> agreed, but it would be interesting to compare fedora-logos with centos-logos and see what we actually need to provide
2025-05-15 19:21:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, and I was going to do that.   There are several desktop/workgroup specific sections that won't be in RHEL that I plan on chopping off.
2025-05-15 19:22:34 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> don't chop off KDE though
2025-05-15 19:22:47 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> not that I suspect you would
2025-05-15 19:23:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Na ... and there isn't one ... but there is anaconda/{atomic,cloud,server,silverblue,workstation) ... 
2025-05-15 19:23:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> well, I wouldn't chop off workstation, or server, or possibly cloud.
2025-05-15 19:25:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway, at the moment, not too much to report on it other than I've started.
2025-05-15 19:26:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/246
2025-05-15 19:27:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I now have a script for listing ELN packages which are orphaned, and one package is still left
2025-05-15 19:27:24 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> namely, po4a
2025-05-15 19:28:48 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-05-15 19:28:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-05-15 19:28:55 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> sorry am late
2025-05-15 19:29:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> no worries
2025-05-15 19:29:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> eventually we should have some automated notifications of this too, which is what the ticket is for
2025-05-15 19:30:14 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it's been a busy week
2025-05-15 19:30:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-05-15 19:30:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/233
2025-05-15 19:31:56 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> just during this meeting, Fabio Valentini pushed and built eln branches of 3 more rust packages
2025-05-15 19:32:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, cool
2025-05-15 19:33:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so we'll need to have EBS skip those packages too, just posted an MR for that
2025-05-15 19:35:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/222
2025-05-15 19:35:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Troy Dawson again?
2025-05-15 19:36:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, we are very close on this.
2025-05-15 19:37:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The current problem(s) are that when we use wsl-setup, the images have a name, but the name is Fedora-43, and the logo is the Fedora logo.
2025-05-15 19:38:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There is also the problem that the images are tar.gz  (or possibly .xz) instead of .wsl.
2025-05-15 19:39:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The .wsl problem is getting fixed in kiwi.  They already have the fix in kiwi, just waiting for it to be released and make it to the koji builders, and then I can change our kiwi-descption to use that.
2025-05-15 19:39:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've made a pull request to wsl-setup to allow custom naming so we can name it Fedora-ELN
2025-05-15 19:40:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And then the logo problem, is one of the reasons I made the logo issue we saw above.
2025-05-15 19:41:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, nothing huge, but three/four seperate items.
2025-05-15 19:41:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I really should put all that in the issue.
2025-05-15 19:42:58 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> all those caveats aside, the images do work though
2025-05-15 19:43:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I put all that in the issue ... I'll get the links to each of the items soon.
2025-05-15 19:43:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yes, yes they do.
2025-05-15 19:43:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> tested myself by running ELN in WSL on Windows 11 in a QEMU/KVM user session from a Fedora 42 flatpak build of virt-manager on Fedora 41
2025-05-15 19:43:59 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> why? because WHY NOT! 😁
2025-05-15 19:46:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I have to say, I'm impressed with WSL.  Once I got a CS10 image on my windows machine, it doesn't feel like an island in a sea of linux.  I can now do things with it.
2025-05-15 19:46:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But I digress ... sorry.
2025-05-15 19:47:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that's how I used to feel about cygwin
2025-05-15 19:47:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyway, moving along
2025-05-15 19:47:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2025-05-15 19:48:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> next week is Red Hat Summit
2025-05-15 19:48:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although I will be available ... I think I'm the minority.
2025-05-15 19:49:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> possibly, who's planning to go to summit?
2025-05-15 19:51:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm pretty sure Neal, Michel and Davide will be there.
2025-05-15 19:51:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't know about Stephen or Niel
2025-05-15 19:51:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't know about Stephen or Neil
2025-05-15 19:51:40 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I'm not going to summit but I do live outside Boston. Still, I'll probably be around
2025-05-15 19:52:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> should we try next week or just cancel now?
2025-05-15 19:53:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I get the feeling it's going to just be you and me, and possibly Neil... 
2025-05-15 19:53:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok canceling and if we have anything, just say it on the matrix channel.
2025-05-15 19:53:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> agreed
2025-05-15 19:54:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> works for me. I promise I'll get to grpc today.
2025-05-15 19:54:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info next meeting in a fortnight, Thursday 29 May 15:00 EDT (next week skipped due to RH Summit)
2025-05-15 19:54:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-05-15 19:55:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nothing from me.
2025-05-15 19:56:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info ELN is at a record low 2300 packages even
2025-05-15 19:57:31 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it's been a struggle to break the 2300 barrier though, it's not easy to find things to trim ourselves anymore
2025-05-15 19:59:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> seeing nothing further, thank you all for coming, travel safely, and see you in channel
2025-05-15 19:59:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting