#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:15

!startmeeting ELN SIG 10 Jul '25

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:30:17

Meeting started at 2025-07-10 19:30:15 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:30:17

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 10 Jul '25'

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:28

!topic Init process

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:30:28

!meetingname eln

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:30:29

The Meeting Name is now eln

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:31:33

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:31:35

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:31:54

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:31:55

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:32:18

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:32:19

Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:32:34

(I'm busy with other things, but if you need my input on anything specific, please ping me)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:33:54

Troy Dawson Conan Kudo Neil Hanlon (@neil:fedora.im) Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) ?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:34:02

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:34:04

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:34:09

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:34:11

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:34:21

!topic New business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:34:38

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/269

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:35:10

a new anaconda-webui which does not require firefox just landed in rawhide

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:35:35

haven't looked at the details yet but I'm presuming we'll need to switch to that sometime

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:36:07

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/267

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:19

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:36:20

Troy Dawson (tdawson)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:24

Sorry I'm late

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:31

I wonder how that works

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

```

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

```

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

%endif

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

Requires: (firefox if fedora-release-workstation)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

%if ! 0%{?rhel}

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:42

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:37:12

oh on RHEL it expects a flatpak browser

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:26

For the last fedora-eln-logos issue there (bump the version) I'm still expecting to get that done by end of day today.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:09

thanks, the other thing needed to complete the switch is a fix for lorax, which was merged upstream but not yet released

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:27

but WSL2 images are using the ELN logos already

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:43

How often do they release that? (lorax) ... last time that took some time didn't it?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:56

in rawhide, pretty frequently I think

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:05

Oh, ok.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:41:18

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/262

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:41:53

!info KDE comps groups are now supported in ELN

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:42:15

so you can install Plasma on top of ELN just like you would with EPEL on RHEL/CS

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:42:44

so while I was testing that and the logos, I encountered the EPEL KDE wallpapers issue

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:43:01

so I did this:

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:43:03

!link https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/yselkowitz/epel-backgrounds-kde/

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:43:30

this is a prototype of a fix for RHEL 10+

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:44:55

it adds a package which includes symlinks for each EL distro's default backgrounds, and then tweaks kde-settings, plasma-desktop, and plasma-workspace to use that instead of fNN-backgrounds

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:45:25

both Plasma and SDDM are accounted for with the latest iteration

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:46:01

I wish there was a better way ... but everyone names their backgrounds different, so ... ya.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:47:55

Conan Kudo I know you had some questions about this, would be happy to discuss later (outside this meeting, for time's sake)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:48:56

pretty much everyone should be defining some kind of default symlinks that we can use, if not, we can try to get those fixed

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:12

I don't want us to have per-distro variants in epel at all

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:14

it doesn't scale

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:49:36

but they're not, and 2 of the 4 have multiple wallpapers too just to complicate things

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:09

but let's move on for now

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:12

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/265

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:30

the perl 5.42 bump *just* landed, so we'll see how big of a mess that makes

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:50:41

woot

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:51:07

!topic Old business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:51:18

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/252

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:51:55

Davide Cavalca python-TestSlide is the last one (that I care about) needing a fix for Python 3.14

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:52:19

ah right we really need to fix that

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:52:48

I did remove it from your workload to unblock the rest of it, but hopefully that's just temporary?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:53:16

yeah. we just have had no time to follow this up

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:53:33

but since we do want our open source projects to be installable in Fedora this needs to be fixed anyway

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:53:33

Yeah this should be fixable

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:54:29

looking forward to a fix

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:54:52

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:56:11

I've been experimenting with github's project planning features, and there's some good (but quite undersold) features there that I think will benefit us (particularly those of us working for RH)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:56:25

but to fully use it, everything needs to be in one org afaics

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:57:44

with no idea yet how long the forgejo migration will take -- releng/infra have been quite busy recently with the DC move -- I'm strongly reconsidering my hesitation here to just move everything into fedora-eln now

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:58:33

I believe you've already move the content-resolver code over already haven't you?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:58:51

yes but we were the only recent contributors to that

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:59:03

content-resolver-input is much more visible

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:59:08

Not the -input, but just the code ... yep. That doesn't get as much interaction.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:00:23

so my impression from our previous conversation was that there were no objections but didn't seem to be a rush either. now I think there is a good reason to make the move though.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:00:52

since we did discuss this among the group previously, it seems only right to bring it back here for reconsideration

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:01:01

any objections to this?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:01:15

I'm fine with it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:01:43

But I'm also working in the same group as you ... so ... I think I'm biased.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:02:56

Though, if I didn't like it, I'd still tell you .. so maybe I'm not as biased as I'm thinking.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:03:37

any other thoughts on this?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:06:39

proposal: minimization/content-resolver-input should be moved (with due diligence) into the fedora-eln org so that all ELN work can be found in one place

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:07:28

Although I'm good with this, it's going to need to be announced more (and the web page(s) updated).

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:07:51

that's the "due diligence"

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:08:19

Although in theory, github will magically link things, it still makes me nervous working from the wrong place.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

20:08:23

Would it make sense to wait for forgejo and just move everything there all at once instead?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:09:30

that was my thought at first, but it seems a ways out still and it's not necessarily a given even then

<@davide:cavalca.name>

20:10:22

Oh yeah if it'll be a while no objections from me

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:10:42

it seems like it will be a while still but correct me if I'm wrong

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:11:49

further discussion now, table until next week, or vote?

<@davide:cavalca.name>

20:13:26

Let's find out what the timeline is for forgejo and we can decide based on that?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:13:57

ok we'll table until next week

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:14:03

!topic Open floor

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:14:12

oops almost forgot

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:14:17

!topic Next meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:14:43

any conflicts next Thursday 17 July?

<@davide:cavalca.name>

20:14:55

Should be fine

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:15:47

No conflict with me (and I checked my calendar this time)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:15:53

!info next meeting will be next Thursday 17 July 15:00 ET

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:16:04

back to open floor, anything else for today?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:16:41

I've got the updated fedora-eln-logos built, with the higher version ... so hopefully it will be in the next compose.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:16:58

Not really an open floor thing though.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:17:03

So, nothing from me.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:19:05

!endmeeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

20:19:05

ok then, thank you all for your contributions, see you in channel(s) or back here next week