2025-07-10 19:30:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 10 Jul '25 2025-07-10 19:30:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-07-10 19:30:15 UTC 2025-07-10 19:30:17 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 10 Jul '25' 2025-07-10 19:30:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process 2025-07-10 19:30:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln 2025-07-10 19:30:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln 2025-07-10 19:31:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi 2025-07-10 19:31:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his 2025-07-10 19:31:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi 2025-07-10 19:31:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his 2025-07-10 19:32:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi 2025-07-10 19:32:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his 2025-07-10 19:32:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (I'm busy with other things, but if you need my input on anything specific, please ping me) 2025-07-10 19:33:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Troy Dawson Conan Kudo Neil Hanlon (@neil:fedora.im) Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) ? 2025-07-10 19:34:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi 2025-07-10 19:34:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his 2025-07-10 19:34:09 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi 2025-07-10 19:34:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his 2025-07-10 19:34:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic New business 2025-07-10 19:34:38 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/269 2025-07-10 19:35:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a new anaconda-webui which does not require firefox just landed in rawhide 2025-07-10 19:35:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> haven't looked at the details yet but I'm presuming we'll need to switch to that sometime 2025-07-10 19:36:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/267 2025-07-10 19:36:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi 2025-07-10 19:36:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson) 2025-07-10 19:36:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry I'm late 2025-07-10 19:36:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder how that works 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> ``` 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> ``` 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> %endif 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> Requires: (firefox if fedora-release-workstation) 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> %if ! 0%{?rhel} 2025-07-10 19:36:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> 2025-07-10 19:37:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh on RHEL it expects a flatpak browser 2025-07-10 19:38:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For the last fedora-eln-logos issue there (bump the version) I'm still expecting to get that done by end of day today. 2025-07-10 19:39:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> thanks, the other thing needed to complete the switch is a fix for lorax, which was merged upstream but not yet released 2025-07-10 19:39:27 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but WSL2 images are using the ELN logos already 2025-07-10 19:39:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> How often do they release that? (lorax) ... last time that took some time didn't it? 2025-07-10 19:39:56 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in rawhide, pretty frequently I think 2025-07-10 19:40:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, ok. 2025-07-10 19:41:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/262 2025-07-10 19:41:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info KDE comps groups are now supported in ELN 2025-07-10 19:42:15 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so you can install Plasma on top of ELN just like you would with EPEL on RHEL/CS 2025-07-10 19:42:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so while I was testing that and the logos, I encountered the EPEL KDE wallpapers issue 2025-07-10 19:43:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so I did this: 2025-07-10 19:43:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/yselkowitz/epel-backgrounds-kde/ 2025-07-10 19:43:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this is a prototype of a fix for RHEL 10+ 2025-07-10 19:44:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it adds a package which includes symlinks for each EL distro's default backgrounds, and then tweaks kde-settings, plasma-desktop, and plasma-workspace to use that instead of fNN-backgrounds 2025-07-10 19:45:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> both Plasma and SDDM are accounted for with the latest iteration 2025-07-10 19:46:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wish there was a better way ... but everyone names their backgrounds different, so ... ya. 2025-07-10 19:47:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Conan Kudo I know you had some questions about this, would be happy to discuss later (outside this meeting, for time's sake) 2025-07-10 19:48:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> pretty much everyone should be defining some kind of default symlinks that we can use, if not, we can try to get those fixed 2025-07-10 19:49:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't want us to have per-distro variants in epel at all 2025-07-10 19:49:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it doesn't scale 2025-07-10 19:49:36 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but they're not, and 2 of the 4 have multiple wallpapers too just to complicate things 2025-07-10 19:50:09 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but let's move on for now 2025-07-10 19:50:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/265 2025-07-10 19:50:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the perl 5.42 bump *just* landed, so we'll see how big of a mess that makes 2025-07-10 19:50:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> woot 2025-07-10 19:51:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business 2025-07-10 19:51:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/252 2025-07-10 19:51:55 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca python-TestSlide is the last one (that I care about) needing a fix for Python 3.14 2025-07-10 19:52:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah right we really need to fix that 2025-07-10 19:52:48 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I did remove it from your workload to unblock the rest of it, but hopefully that's just temporary? 2025-07-10 19:53:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah. we just have had no time to follow this up 2025-07-10 19:53:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> but since we do want our open source projects to be installable in Fedora this needs to be fixed anyway 2025-07-10 19:53:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah this should be fixable 2025-07-10 19:54:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> looking forward to a fix 2025-07-10 19:54:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227 2025-07-10 19:56:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I've been experimenting with github's project planning features, and there's some good (but quite undersold) features there that I think will benefit us (particularly those of us working for RH) 2025-07-10 19:56:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but to fully use it, everything needs to be in one org afaics 2025-07-10 19:57:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> with no idea yet how long the forgejo migration will take -- releng/infra have been quite busy recently with the DC move -- I'm strongly reconsidering my hesitation here to just move everything into fedora-eln now 2025-07-10 19:58:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe you've already move the content-resolver code over already haven't you? 2025-07-10 19:58:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> yes but we were the only recent contributors to that 2025-07-10 19:59:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> content-resolver-input is much more visible 2025-07-10 19:59:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not the -input, but just the code ... yep. That doesn't get as much interaction. 2025-07-10 20:00:23 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so my impression from our previous conversation was that there were no objections but didn't seem to be a rush either. now I think there is a good reason to make the move though. 2025-07-10 20:00:52 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> since we did discuss this among the group previously, it seems only right to bring it back here for reconsideration 2025-07-10 20:01:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any objections to this? 2025-07-10 20:01:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine with it. 2025-07-10 20:01:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But I'm also working in the same group as you ... so ... I think I'm biased. 2025-07-10 20:02:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Though, if I didn't like it, I'd still tell you .. so maybe I'm not as biased as I'm thinking. 2025-07-10 20:03:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any other thoughts on this? 2025-07-10 20:06:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> proposal: minimization/content-resolver-input should be moved (with due diligence) into the fedora-eln org so that all ELN work can be found in one place 2025-07-10 20:07:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although I'm good with this, it's going to need to be announced more (and the web page(s) updated). 2025-07-10 20:07:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that's the "due diligence" 2025-07-10 20:08:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although in theory, github will magically link things, it still makes me nervous working from the wrong place. 2025-07-10 20:08:23 <@davide:cavalca.name> Would it make sense to wait for forgejo and just move everything there all at once instead? 2025-07-10 20:09:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> that was my thought at first, but it seems a ways out still and it's not necessarily a given even then 2025-07-10 20:10:22 <@davide:cavalca.name> Oh yeah if it'll be a while no objections from me 2025-07-10 20:10:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> it seems like it will be a while still but correct me if I'm wrong 2025-07-10 20:11:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> further discussion now, table until next week, or vote? 2025-07-10 20:13:26 <@davide:cavalca.name> Let's find out what the timeline is for forgejo and we can decide based on that? 2025-07-10 20:13:57 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok we'll table until next week 2025-07-10 20:14:03 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor 2025-07-10 20:14:12 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> oops almost forgot 2025-07-10 20:14:17 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting 2025-07-10 20:14:43 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any conflicts next Thursday 17 July? 2025-07-10 20:14:55 <@davide:cavalca.name> Should be fine 2025-07-10 20:15:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No conflict with me (and I checked my calendar this time) 2025-07-10 20:15:53 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info next meeting will be next Thursday 17 July 15:00 ET 2025-07-10 20:16:04 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> back to open floor, anything else for today? 2025-07-10 20:16:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've got the updated fedora-eln-logos built, with the higher version ... so hopefully it will be in the next compose. 2025-07-10 20:16:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not really an open floor thing though. 2025-07-10 20:17:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, nothing from me. 2025-07-10 20:19:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting 2025-07-10 20:19:05 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> ok then, thank you all for your contributions, see you in channel(s) or back here next week