2025-07-16 14:02:59 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Council
2025-07-16 14:03:01 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-07-16 14:02:59 UTC
2025-07-16 14:03:01 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council'
2025-07-16 14:03:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-07-16 14:03:12 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-16 14:03:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2025-07-16 14:03:16 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-16 14:03:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2025-07-16 14:03:31 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> !hi jasonbrooks
2025-07-16 14:03:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jason Brooks (jasonbrooks) - he / him / his
2025-07-16 14:03:58 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-16 14:03:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2025-07-16 14:05:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think we could be a bit light on council members today. Justin is on leave & Miro is not around. Jef Spaleta & bookwar are you here today?
2025-07-16 14:05:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We have a quiet agenda anyway too
2025-07-16 14:05:37 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I am here, but I haven't done much progress on my AI stuff
2025-07-16 14:05:38 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-16 14:05:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jef Spaleta (jspaleta) - he / him / his
2025-07-16 14:05:43 <@bookwar:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-16 14:05:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aleksandra Fedorova (bookwar) - she / her / hers
2025-07-16 14:05:58 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> im in the amtrak lounge at DC Union station.. but im here for like the next 30
2025-07-16 14:06:13 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Agenda
2025-07-16 14:06:16 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings
2025-07-16 14:07:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info todays agenda is listed in the council wiki page. I forgot to post it to discourse :( We intend to do some ticket backlog triaging and an open floor for this weeks agenda
2025-07-16 14:07:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Tickets
2025-07-16 14:07:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets
2025-07-16 14:08:01 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We might need to edit matthews avatar :D
2025-07-16 14:09:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> most of the tickets are assigned in the repo. We have x4 that are not. Do we want to spend a few mins discussing the unassigned ones and see if they are still relevant and find an owner, or could they be closed
2025-07-16 14:09:21 <@amoloney:fedora.im> most of the tickets are assigned in the repo. We have x4 that are not. Do we want to spend a few mins discussing the unassigned ones and see if they are still relevant and find an owner, or could they be closed?
2025-07-16 14:10:14 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> +1
2025-07-16 14:10:51 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> +1
2025-07-16 14:11:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ok very quickly, I am going to reassign #539 to myself as thats something I can do while Justin is out for the next few weeks
2025-07-16 14:11:49 <@amoloney:fedora.im> next ticket is #537 
2025-07-16 14:12:05 <@amoloney:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets
2025-07-16 14:12:57 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> what does the End of 10 campaign involve?
2025-07-16 14:13:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We discussed this at a recent council meeting and afaicr we are happy to give council 'blessing' to participate in, but we didnt have anyone to drive it on behalf of the project from this group
2025-07-16 14:13:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> sounds like they also want approval for logo use?
2025-07-16 14:14:09 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> right now its literally just a list of different linux logos at the homepage
2025-07-16 14:14:19 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> if that's it, do it
2025-07-16 14:14:30 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> we tend to waffle a lot on simple requests like this and then end up missing the boat
2025-07-16 14:14:41 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> but i dont know how to scope our answer correctly as I dont know what else they might do as part of the campaign
2025-07-16 14:15:51 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I am a bit concerned that we are "participating" in smth without doing any work
2025-07-16 14:16:08 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> im cool with the logo on the page,  and we can ask our marketing person to liason with us if they want to use the logo for more
2025-07-16 14:16:16 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> borrowing from my Coast Guard training....we do a risk/gain analysis discussion before each mission.  it's based on the data _now_ and if things change, we reanalyze.  so what's the risk and gain now?
2025-07-16 14:16:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Could we propose 'Fedora will participate in this campaign, and grants approval to use our logo on the web page of participating distributions. Further involvement or use of Fedora <stuff> is out of scope, and please open a new request if the ask goes outside of the logo on the web page'
2025-07-16 14:16:22 <@amoloney:fedora.im> or something smarter than that...
2025-07-16 14:17:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> anyone want to wordsmith that better before I commit it to an agreed statement?
2025-07-16 14:18:45 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> it looks fine to me
2025-07-16 14:18:53 <@bookwar:fedora.im> "Fedora supports the campaign and approves the usage of the logo. Ideas for participation are welcome, please send them to relevant teams"
2025-07-16 14:19:12 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> That works 
2025-07-16 14:19:57 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> dcantrell: The risk I see is getting the logo caught up in a distro decision tree, if they decide to 'help' people choose an windows alternative, and that's something i'd like to avoid.
2025-07-16 14:20:28 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> that's a reasonable concern I think
2025-07-16 14:20:54 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> so i dont want a blanket use here.  the home page is fine
2025-07-16 14:21:32 <@bookwar:fedora.im> Also from the previous discussions for i686 topic, for example, someone used it as an argument that if you participate in EndOfTen campaign you can not threaten to remove Steam support from Fedora.
2025-07-16 14:21:39 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah i think its important we clearly state where we approve the use of the logo. Web page - yes. Anywhere else  - come ask us first
2025-07-16 14:22:15 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> well we punted on that decision already right?
2025-07-16 14:22:44 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> Isn't suggesting distros to use rather than throw away your machine the whole point of this?
2025-07-16 14:23:05 <@bookwar:fedora.im> Yes, but this is an example of a risk. If people try to use that campaign to claim certain expectations from the distro which are not written in advance.
2025-07-16 14:23:57 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> sure, but a detailed comparison or a decision tree narrative we don't get to control would be a bad thing
2025-07-16 14:24:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposed 'The Fedora Project will participate the End of 10 campaign, and authorises the use of the projects logo on the web page that lists what distributions support this. For any further use of the Fedora Projects logo associated with this campaign, please file this as a request to the Fedora Council.'
2025-07-16 14:25:14 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> s/authorises/grants/ to avoid English words with different American English spellings (I'm not saying which one is right or wrong)
2025-07-16 14:25:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> we will use grant then, makes it more universal :)
2025-07-16 14:26:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !agreed The Fedora Project will participate the End of 10 campaign, and grants the use of the projects logo on the web page that lists what distributions support this. For any further use of the Fedora Projects logo associated with this campaign, please file this as a request to the Fedora Council.
2025-07-16 14:26:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to update this ticket after the meeting with the decision and meeting minutes
2025-07-16 14:27:01 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I guess what I want to say is - by approving the use of logo, we take the responsibility to keep an eye on what is going on on this initiative. So we should at least subscribe for updates there, and know if it still goes in the direction we like.
2025-07-16 14:27:30 <@amoloney:fedora.im> next ticket, #460
2025-07-16 14:27:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/460
2025-07-16 14:27:42 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> We can ask Joseph to keep an eye on it
2025-07-16 14:27:59 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> ill figure out how to keep up with updates and ill reach out to joseph personally
2025-07-16 14:28:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think this one again just needs someone who will follow up internally @ rh on it
2025-07-16 14:28:05 <@smooge:fedora.im> where are you going?
2025-07-16 14:28:42 <@smooge:fedora.im> oops sorry wrong channel
2025-07-16 14:28:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> If we knew who that was being asked of Smooge, that would be a hell of a lot easier to answer :D but generally, out of our minds
2025-07-16 14:29:26 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> I can poke RH legal folks on this
2025-07-16 14:29:38 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> I have a meeting coming up w them
2025-07-16 14:29:48 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> is this an opportunity to meet a new person?
2025-07-16 14:30:18 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> Maybe, I can connect you
2025-07-16 14:30:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Its a licence thing so Jef this would prob fit you too if you and Jason could tackle this together?
2025-07-16 14:30:36 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> if the legal person responsibile for this is not fontana, then i can probably use the connection
2025-07-16 14:31:30 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> Jilayne is who I'm meeting with
2025-07-16 14:31:50 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Sounds like a double act, so I will go ahead and assign it to you Jason Brooks but tag both you and Jef Spaleta in the ticket comment follow up if that works?
2025-07-16 14:31:53 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> someone i should meet
2025-07-16 14:31:59 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> Jilayne is good.  I worked with her for years on migrating us to SPDX and setting up fedora-license-data
2025-07-16 14:32:15 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> all im saying is, I've had good luck turning lawyers into curlers.
2025-07-16 14:32:22 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> Jilayne is in Colorado, so mountain time zone, fwiw
2025-07-16 14:33:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action Jason Brooks will introduce Jef Spaleta to Jilayne to discuss ticekt #460, to hopefully find a resolution to the request and provide the requestor with an update.
2025-07-16 14:33:34 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> okay ive probably got about 10 minutes before my train starts to board
2025-07-16 14:33:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to assign the ticket to Jason Brooks and update the ticket with the meeting outcome 
2025-07-16 14:34:13 <@amoloney:fedora.im> the last 2 tickets can be left off for now. They probably need more discusion
2025-07-16 14:34:23 <@amoloney:fedora.im> we can move to open floor
2025-07-16 14:34:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-07-16 14:34:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything?
2025-07-16 14:35:09 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> im working on a 2nd draft of the conflict of interest statement/policy on the train today  Thanks for feedback on the 1st
2025-07-16 14:35:56 <@jspaleta:fedora.im> i have the matrix AUP document merge request filed, waiting for legal review.  Not sure how to unblock that without poking someone in the eye with an eye poking stick.
2025-07-16 14:36:43 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The two reviewers tagged are actually Jilayne and Richard, so maybe a well timed meeting this week :)
2025-07-16 14:37:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Second draft of a Conflict of Interest policy is in process. This will be available for review by Fedora Council before the next meeting on July 30, 2025
2025-07-16 14:38:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info The Matrix AUP document is complete, but the PR pending review from Legal before it can be merged and ticket closed. Any help unblocking this would be appreciated https://gitlab.com/fedora/legal/fedora-legal-docs/-/merge_requests/339
2025-07-16 14:39:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I also have a drafted SOP/expanded policy for Spins and Labs open with FESCo, specifically on a better workflow for me/FOA during release time, if anyone would like to give some additional feedback https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3437
2025-07-16 14:40:13 <@amoloney:fedora.im> the feedback from FESCo has been very thoughtful so far too
2025-07-16 14:42:45 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info There is a draft for an SOP to follow on Spins and Labs engagement during the release cycle open by the FOA with FESCo for review https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3437 The intention is to have something more formal to follow during release cycle as FOA/PgM and eventually build out the existing Spins and Labs policy with more detailed information on whats expected for those who wish to be included in each Fedora release. 
2025-07-16 14:43:13 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Any other topics to cover today?
2025-07-16 14:46:40 <@smooge:fedora.im> the weather in Ireland?
2025-07-16 14:46:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Rain :D
2025-07-16 14:47:22 <@smooge:fedora.im> good holiday weather then
2025-07-16 14:47:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Oh one last item I suppose is an FYI for council that the mindshare seat will need to be filled for council soon
2025-07-16 14:48:34 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Sumantro and I are helping bootstrap the Mindshare Committee over the next few weeks while  Justin is out and we are working through the membership updates, so one of the items will be to nominate a council rep when the committee seats are finalised
2025-07-16 14:49:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> just an fyi for us that this seat will hopefully be filled in August :crosses fingers:
2025-07-16 14:49:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Alright, with that I think were done!
2025-07-16 14:50:06 <@amoloney:fedora.im> thanks everyone and have a good rest of your day!
2025-07-16 14:50:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !endmeeting