#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:13

!startmeeting ELN SIG 11 Sept '25

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:15

Meeting started at 2025-09-11 19:01:13 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:15

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 11 Sept '25'

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:22

!meetingname eln

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:22

The Meeting Name is now eln

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:26

!topic Init process

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:33

Troy Dawson (tdawson)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:21

It's a little light today.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:04:45

been like that for a while now, starting to wonder if this time really works for people

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:04:49

!hi

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:49

It's been a little light all week for most of my community meetings.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:04:49

Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:05:20

hi Stephen Gallagher

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:06:51

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:06:53

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:06:59

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:07:05

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:07:18

I mean, for me, I've been at Akademy for this week and last week

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:45

hi Davide Cavalca Conan Kudo

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:01

!topic New business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:11

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/310

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:31

LLVM was bumped to 21 over the weekend, with an llvm20 compat package

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:50

most things haven't been rebuilt yet, and some will need porting (not our problem to solve)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:09:49

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/306

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:10:29

managed to find 30+ perl packages in the buildroot that we can do without

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:11:51

most weren't shipped even in CRB so they shouldn't be missed much

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:12:46

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/308

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:13:21

so far dropped 2 maven plugins from the buildroot, looking around for more

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:13:42

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/311

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:14:42

a new ceph version just picked up some unwanted deps (grpc, xsimd), but they're not really needed for the client libraries (which is all we ship in RHEL) so I'm pretty sure it's just a mistake

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:15:40

anything to discuss here?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:54

Dealing with the ceph dependencies, or ELN in general?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:17:11

among any of those

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:36

Nope from me.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:18:40

Nada

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:18:42

!topic Old business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:18:46

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/content-resolver/issues/85

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:19:18

CR now shows `Supplements` as "Reverse weak runtime dependencies", e.g. https://tiny.distro.builders/view-rpm--view-eln--hunspell-ka.html

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:20:10

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/30

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:20:25

this one is pretty old :-)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:20:42

but we're finally getting some progress in CI

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:21:02

I think I mentioned previously that ELN has been onboarded to Testing Farm

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:21:22

and work is underway to enable CI tests in ELN PRs and bodhi updates

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:21:44

currently blocked on OSCI reviewing my latest batch of patches, and then seeing what's still missing

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:51

That's much closer than we've been for a couple of years.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:24:32

apparently people want ELN for tesitng, so that helps

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:51

yep

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:26:30

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/292

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:27:07

does anyone know what add-determinism has actually caused to be improved in fedora?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:27:33

aka https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReproduciblePackageBuilds

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:09

As far as I know, nobody on the RHEL side has asked for it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:26

Well, other than Miro in this ticket.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:36

But I'm not in the loop at far as others.

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:30:08

I don't know anything more than the description in that Change, sorry

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:31:42

the change implies that it was going to be informative/investigatory at first, with the goal of actually achieving (some degree of) reproducibility later

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:32:10

but I was wondering if there were any statistics from or follow-up to this change

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:33:16

You can check the issue tracker

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:33:31

https://pagure.io/fedora-reproducible-builds/project/

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:34:36

There is preliminary work to get a dashboard going as well but it's not up yet

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:35:20

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-reproducible-builds/project/

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:36:02

thanks Davide Cavalca that's helpful, sounds like there is work to be done but probably nobody focusing on it

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:36:46

Yeah everyone was busy lately but hopefully it'll pick back up in the next cycle

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:37:29

as crazy as it might sound, there aren't many cycles left until RHEL 11

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:38:45

in any case, sounds premature still for ELN

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:20

!topic Next meeting

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:28

any conflicts next week?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:51

I'm good

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:39:54

Should be fine I think

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:40:05

I think I should be around, if I manage not to miss the notification

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:40:20

Ouch, double negative. I don't not apologize for that.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:40:37

!info Next meeting is next Thursday 18 Sept 15:00 EDT at #meeting:fedoraproject.org

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:40:46

!topic Open floor

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:42:11

as a headsup, my availability will be spotty from 21 Sept until 19 Oct, and Troy will be filling in for at least one meeting during that span

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:44:39

anyone have anything else to discuss?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:45:11

Nothing from me.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:47:25

nothing from me

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:48:11

Nope

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:00

in that case, thanks for joining today, and see you in chat

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:02

!endmeeting