2025-09-11 19:01:13 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !startmeeting ELN SIG 11 Sept '25
2025-09-11 19:01:15 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-11 19:01:13 UTC
2025-09-11 19:01:15 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 11 Sept '25'
2025-09-11 19:01:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !meetingname eln
2025-09-11 19:01:22 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now eln
2025-09-11 19:01:26 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Init process
2025-09-11 19:01:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-11 19:01:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Troy Dawson (tdawson)
2025-09-11 19:04:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's a little light today.
2025-09-11 19:04:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> been like that for a while now, starting to wonder if this time really works for people
2025-09-11 19:04:49 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-11 19:04:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's been a little light all week for most of my community meetings.
2025-09-11 19:04:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-09-11 19:05:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> hi Stephen Gallagher 
2025-09-11 19:06:51 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-09-11 19:06:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-09-11 19:06:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-11 19:07:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-09-11 19:07:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I mean, for me, I've been at Akademy for this week and last week
2025-09-11 19:07:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> hi Davide Cavalca Conan Kudo 
2025-09-11 19:08:01 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic New business
2025-09-11 19:08:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/310
2025-09-11 19:08:31 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> LLVM was bumped to 21 over the weekend, with an llvm20 compat package
2025-09-11 19:08:50 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> most things haven't been rebuilt yet, and some will need porting (not our problem to solve)
2025-09-11 19:09:49 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/306
2025-09-11 19:10:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> managed to find 30+ perl packages in the buildroot that we can do without
2025-09-11 19:11:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> most weren't shipped even in CRB so they shouldn't be missed much
2025-09-11 19:12:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/308
2025-09-11 19:13:21 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> so far dropped 2 maven plugins from the buildroot, looking around for more
2025-09-11 19:13:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/311
2025-09-11 19:14:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> a new ceph version just picked up some unwanted deps (grpc, xsimd), but they're not really needed for the client libraries (which is all we ship in RHEL) so I'm pretty sure it's just a mistake
2025-09-11 19:15:40 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anything to discuss here?
2025-09-11 19:16:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Dealing with the ceph dependencies, or ELN in general?
2025-09-11 19:17:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> among any of those
2025-09-11 19:17:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nope from me.
2025-09-11 19:18:40 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Nada
2025-09-11 19:18:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Old business
2025-09-11 19:18:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/content-resolver/issues/85
2025-09-11 19:19:18 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> CR now shows `Supplements` as "Reverse weak runtime dependencies", e.g. https://tiny.distro.builders/view-rpm--view-eln--hunspell-ka.html
2025-09-11 19:20:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/30
2025-09-11 19:20:25 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> this one is pretty old :-)
2025-09-11 19:20:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but we're finally getting some progress in CI
2025-09-11 19:21:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> I think I mentioned previously that ELN has been onboarded to Testing Farm
2025-09-11 19:21:22 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> and work is underway to enable CI tests in ELN PRs and bodhi updates
2025-09-11 19:21:44 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> currently blocked on OSCI reviewing my latest batch of patches, and then seeing what's still missing
2025-09-11 19:23:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's much closer than we've been for a couple of years.
2025-09-11 19:24:32 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> apparently people want ELN for tesitng, so that helps
2025-09-11 19:24:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> yep
2025-09-11 19:26:30 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/292
2025-09-11 19:27:07 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> does anyone know what add-determinism has actually caused to be improved in fedora?
2025-09-11 19:27:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> aka https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReproduciblePackageBuilds
2025-09-11 19:28:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> As far as I know, nobody on the RHEL side has asked for it.
2025-09-11 19:28:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, other than Miro in this ticket.
2025-09-11 19:28:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But I'm not in the loop at far as others.
2025-09-11 19:30:08 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I don't know anything more than the description in that Change, sorry
2025-09-11 19:31:42 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> the change implies that it was going to be informative/investigatory at first, with the goal of actually achieving (some degree of) reproducibility later
2025-09-11 19:32:10 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> but I was wondering if there were any statistics from or follow-up to this change
2025-09-11 19:33:16 <@davide:cavalca.name> You can check the issue tracker
2025-09-11 19:33:31 <@davide:cavalca.name> https://pagure.io/fedora-reproducible-builds/project/
2025-09-11 19:34:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> There is preliminary work to get a dashboard going as well but it's not up yet
2025-09-11 19:35:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-reproducible-builds/project/
2025-09-11 19:36:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> thanks Davide Cavalca that's helpful, sounds like there is work to be done but probably nobody focusing on it
2025-09-11 19:36:46 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah everyone was busy lately but hopefully it'll pick back up in the next cycle 
2025-09-11 19:37:29 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> as crazy as it might sound, there aren't many cycles left until RHEL 11
2025-09-11 19:38:45 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in any case, sounds premature still for ELN
2025-09-11 19:39:20 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting
2025-09-11 19:39:28 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> any conflicts next week?
2025-09-11 19:39:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm good
2025-09-11 19:39:54 <@davide:cavalca.name> Should be fine I think 
2025-09-11 19:40:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think I should be around, if I manage not to miss the notification
2025-09-11 19:40:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Ouch, double negative. I don't not apologize for that.
2025-09-11 19:40:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !info Next meeting is next Thursday 18 Sept 15:00 EDT at #meeting:fedoraproject.org 
2025-09-11 19:40:46 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-09-11 19:42:11 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> as a headsup, my availability will be spotty from 21 Sept until 19 Oct, and Troy will be filling in for at least one meeting during that span
2025-09-11 19:44:39 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> anyone have anything else to discuss?
2025-09-11 19:45:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nothing from me.
2025-09-11 19:47:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nothing from me
2025-09-11 19:48:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Nope
2025-09-11 19:50:00 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> in that case, thanks for joining today, and see you in chat
2025-09-11 19:50:02 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !endmeeting