2025-10-30 12:30:48 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !startmeeting Fedora DEI Team - 2025-10-30
2025-10-30 12:30:49 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !meetingname diversity
2025-10-30 12:30:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-10-30 12:30:48 UTC
2025-10-30 12:30:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora DEI Team - 2025-10-30'
2025-10-30 12:30:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now diversity
2025-10-30 12:31:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-30 12:31:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin Wheeler (jflory7) - he / him / his
2025-10-30 12:31:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hellooooooo
2025-10-30 12:31:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And apologies
2025-10-30 12:31:32 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !topic Agenda
2025-10-30 12:31:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> For causing some timezone-related pain 😛 
2025-10-30 12:31:36 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info hellos
2025-10-30 12:31:38 <@theprogram:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-30 12:31:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Mat H (theprogram)
2025-10-30 12:31:48 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-30 12:31:48 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-30 12:31:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2025-10-30 12:31:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Cornelius Emase (lochipi) - he / him / his
2025-10-30 12:32:59 <@lochipi:matrix.org> 😁
2025-10-30 12:33:07 <@lochipi:matrix.org> I think we should start right away
2025-10-30 12:33:08 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Team announcements & news
2025-10-30 12:33:37 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Fedora Linux 43 released on Tuesday! Expect lots of noise and traffic across Fedora. Note that Infrastructure-related requests might be slower due to the heavy load during the release week.
2025-10-30 12:33:52 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-linux-43/
2025-10-30 12:34:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🎉
2025-10-30 12:34:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🎆
2025-10-30 12:34:24 <@lochipi:matrix.org> still using 42, moving to 43 soon. Great news
2025-10-30 12:34:50 <@theprogram:fedora.im> It's a good upgrade
2025-10-30 12:35:23 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Fedora Linux 43 Release Party: The schedule is shaping up. Reminders are going out to speakers for confirming their presentation slots. We will discuss this more in today's ticket discussions!
2025-10-30 12:35:25 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_43_Release_Party_Schedule
2025-10-30 12:36:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Party party party!
2025-10-30 12:36:42 <@lochipi:matrix.org> btw I'll plan one in Kenya in future :) I want to party with FEdora 😄
2025-10-30 12:36:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yesssss
2025-10-30 12:36:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'd love to see that too
2025-10-30 12:37:44 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeeah yeah, btw I want a banner - it;d be good to have one behind us
2025-10-30 12:38:25 <@theprogram:fedora.im> One of those magic "look at our stand!" bright pop up stands?
2025-10-30 12:38:45 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Shouldn't cost too much
2025-10-30 12:39:05 <@theprogram:fedora.im> I mean it won't cost too much I would think
2025-10-30 12:39:13 <@theprogram:fedora.im> You have got everything else at good prices
2025-10-30 12:39:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Something like this, I reckon
2025-10-30 12:39:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> src: https://enblog.eischmann.cz/2025/10/07/fedora-centos-at-linuxdays-2025/
2025-10-30 12:39:55 <@theprogram:fedora.im> That's the one, reminds me of my campaigning days
2025-10-30 12:39:57 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yes, I love that
2025-10-30 12:40:11 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Tablecloth is easier to carry
2025-10-30 12:40:36 <@theprogram:fedora.im> We should put one down for Nigeria crew too
2025-10-30 12:40:54 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeah, where's Chris Onoja Idoko 
2025-10-30 12:41:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And we have Roseline Bassey and tosin_doreen too 😎
2025-10-30 12:41:27 <@theprogram:fedora.im> And Nancy Wright seems to be continually interested
2025-10-30 12:41:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Next announcement?
2025-10-30 12:41:46 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info AI-Assisted Contributions Policy: It's live and it is officially official.
2025-10-30 12:41:57 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/policy/ai-contribution-policy/
2025-10-30 12:42:03 <@theprogram:fedora.im> It is a very clear policy
2025-10-30 12:42:06 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:AI_Assistance_Used
2025-10-30 12:42:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🤖✨️🤖
2025-10-30 12:42:38 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Upcoming event on 8 November 2025: "Fedora at Kirinyaga University – Info Session & Docs Workshop" event. This in-person event introduces students and open source enthusiasts to the Fedora Project. Topics include Fedora Docs contribution workflows, Quick Docs, and hands-on participation in documentation issues. Attendees will explore Fedora’s global community through regional postcards and t-shirt swags that blend African culture with Fedora branding.
2025-10-30 12:42:47 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_at_kirinyaga_university
2025-10-30 12:42:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪
2025-10-30 12:42:57 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Can you post the poster here?
2025-10-30 12:42:58 <@lochipi:matrix.org> a week away 
2025-10-30 12:43:07 <@lochipi:matrix.org> I love events <3
2025-10-30 12:43:32 <@lochipi:matrix.org> it's not done yet
2025-10-30 12:43:44 <@lochipi:matrix.org> I will share it tomorrow maybe
2025-10-30 12:43:50 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Cool
2025-10-30 12:44:20 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info DEI Advisor updates to the team
2025-10-30 12:44:25 <@lochipi:matrix.org> any update? Jona Azizaj (she/her) 
2025-10-30 12:44:41 <@theprogram:fedora.im> You did very well networking with the managers / executive to get approval for that event.  Congrats
2025-10-30 12:45:15 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeah that's my thing :) to more
2025-10-30 12:45:23 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> No updates from the Council
2025-10-30 12:45:46 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> the AI policy is approved and we have a new initiative 
2025-10-30 12:46:04 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> the Docs initiative which you probably have seen it 🙂
2025-10-30 12:46:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Initiatives/Fedora_Docs_2025
2025-10-30 12:47:00 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/policy/ai-contribution-policy/
2025-10-30 12:47:07 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/policy/ai-contribution-policy/
2025-10-30 12:47:55 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> ah maybe I can add something else too
2025-10-30 12:48:15 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> feel free to provide feedback on the Flock 2026 themes 
2025-10-30 12:48:20 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> by Nov 11
2025-10-30 12:48:27 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/545
2025-10-30 12:48:58 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> eof
2025-10-30 12:49:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> good one
2025-10-30 12:50:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If folks here have feedback, I encourage you to share it on Fedora Discussion
2025-10-30 12:50:06 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Follow-ups from last meeting
2025-10-30 12:50:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-545-request-for-review-of-flock-2026-cfp-themes-by-2025-11-11/169779
2025-10-30 12:50:08 <@lochipi:matrix.org> Ticket #61: Migrate the DEI team repo to Fedora Forge (Forgejo)
2025-10-30 12:50:09 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12860
2025-10-30 12:50:38 <@lochipi:matrix.org> my internet was down :( back
2025-10-30 12:50:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Cornelius Emase: BTW, you might mean to use `!topic` for new major discussion topics. It will make the meeting minutes prettier 🙂 
2025-10-30 12:50:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> All good! 👍️
2025-10-30 12:51:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I just subscribed to the ticket 👍️
2025-10-30 12:51:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Cornelius Emase++ Thanks for opening this up!
2025-10-30 12:51:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 gave a cookie to lochipi. They now have 18 cookies, 4 of which were obtained in the Fedora 43 release cycle
2025-10-30 12:52:26 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Ticket-driven discussion
2025-10-30 12:52:53 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !topic Ticket #45: Supporting DEI & regional communities
2025-10-30 12:53:09 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/45
2025-10-30 12:53:25 <@lochipi:matrix.org> tied to what I'm doing with Uni
2025-10-30 12:53:42 <@lochipi:matrix.org> and the goal, doubling the number of contributors
2025-10-30 12:54:06 <@lochipi:matrix.org> and the suggested topic for flock: "How are we really going to double the number of contributors?"
2025-10-30 12:54:36 <@lochipi:matrix.org> or perhaps, what are we doing now?
2025-10-30 12:55:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ah, right—
2025-10-30 12:55:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This was part of the discussion too
2025-10-30 12:55:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposal-supporting-fedora-regional-communities/162167
2025-10-30 12:56:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think what you are doing on the ground in Kenya is exactly what this DEI Team ticket is all about
2025-10-30 12:56:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And directly supports the goal of growing our contributor base. Although I also imagine we are awaiting an updated strategic vision from Jef Spaleta in the not soooo distant future.
2025-10-30 12:57:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But growing our contributor community is likely going to be an important part of whatever updates Jef brings to the Fedora Strategy.
2025-10-30 12:58:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> In terms of an actionable thing, I think trying to codify some of what is written here into Fedora Docs, either for Mindshare or DEI Team, could be helpful:
2025-10-30 12:58:38 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-community-blueprint-all-you-need-to-know/163038
2025-10-30 12:59:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> When I read this post, I am thinking, "This all sounds great! No bad ideas here!" But I think putting it into action and making specific, targeted requests and building the support network is where the real work lies
2025-10-30 13:00:02 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This post does a good job of outlining how to do what you, Cornelius Emase, have been doing, and gives some framework for others to follow in your footsteps
2025-10-30 13:00:51 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeah, I'll be around to make that happen. You just have to provide what I need to make that happen😅
2025-10-30 13:01:32 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Globally it does have to be a team effort :)
2025-10-30 13:01:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Like this? https://gitlab.com/fedora/mindshare/home/-/issues/87
2025-10-30 13:01:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Right.
2025-10-30 13:02:09 <@theprogram:fedora.im> The approval is one thing, the actual reimbursement is another ;)
2025-10-30 13:02:11 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yes, and other things that'll smoothen it
2025-10-30 13:02:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Right, but I think we have solved this problem. We should know in the next few days. There was some hiccups because I was out for two months and had some undocumented institutional wisdom that was not conveyed to the people covering for me
2025-10-30 13:03:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Like what?
2025-10-30 13:03:23 <@theprogram:fedora.im> But that it is only you that can do these things is a problem
2025-10-30 13:03:30 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Nuff said.
2025-10-30 13:04:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yeah. But this is what I am paid to figure out to an extent, and I'm working on that. It has been a journey to even get to where we are today. You have to believe me that there is iterative progress happening here 🙂 
2025-10-30 13:04:31 <@theprogram:fedora.im> I do belive you
2025-10-30 13:04:52 <@theprogram:fedora.im> I do believe you
2025-10-30 13:05:01 <@theprogram:fedora.im> I see you do a lot
2025-10-30 13:05:07 <@lochipi:matrix.org> time will tell what I might need, as I've mentioned earlier - banner maybe. 
2025-10-30 13:05:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There are also some age-old conversations about foundations and external organizations to fund things for Fedora, but I don't want to count on that to happen and lose so much time twiddling thumbs for something to maybe happen one day
2025-10-30 13:05:34 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Institutional analysis is one of my hobbies, and I see the more resources and buy in from your company are required
2025-10-30 13:05:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yeah, I think this is totally doable. I'm wondering what the cost is for this on the ground in Kenya.
2025-10-30 13:05:47 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Institutional analysis is one of my hobbies, and I see that more resources and buy in from your company are required
2025-10-30 13:06:15 <@lochipi:matrix.org> and btw, local transportation, I would like to go to different parts if possible :) For this event coming, it's outside my town. 
2025-10-30 13:06:39 <@lochipi:matrix.org> around 68 usd
2025-10-30 13:06:49 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Transport is about $15 both ways, right?
2025-10-30 13:07:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Local transport is something we can cover, but I have to have a financial record like a receipt or invoice for it. I won't ever be able to reimburse something that someone says they paid for but has no way to document it
2025-10-30 13:07:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is where stuff like anti-corruption and anti-bribery laws come into play, and as a corporation, we have to have these sorts of things for reimbursements
2025-10-30 13:07:45 <@lochipi:matrix.org> 14 there, I havent been to Kirinyaga before
2025-10-30 13:08:16 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Can you book a bus online and thus get a receipt?
2025-10-30 13:08:39 <@lochipi:matrix.org> I don' think you fund local transportation as per the docs
2025-10-30 13:08:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We could fit it into the $150 USD small event budget, potentially. For the remainder of 2025, the Fedora budget is pretty tight, but in 2026, I am working on some new approaches to give Mindshare Committee more influence and control over spending. We could probably get a banner funded in January 2026, and the transport for the event is definitely something we can reimburse now
2025-10-30 13:08:56 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeah I think so
2025-10-30 13:09:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hmm, well, this is your travel out to an event. I guess you calling this out makes something known to be confusing. For example, if a Fedora contributor in Dusseldorf, Germany, wanted to take a train over to Köln, Germany for an event, we could reimburse that
2025-10-30 13:10:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Metro and bus tickets inside a city are harder
2025-10-30 13:10:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Mostly because it doesn't scale with one person handling all the reimbursements – but that shouldn't be a blocker for you to pursue travel reimbursement in this scenario
2025-10-30 13:10:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The policy isn't meant to block you on stuff like this
2025-10-30 13:12:09 <@lochipi:matrix.org> oh okay, I get that. what about food?🤣
2025-10-30 13:12:16 <@lochipi:matrix.org> but that's clear
2025-10-30 13:12:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Food for you, or food for the party?
2025-10-30 13:13:30 <@lochipi:matrix.org> I'd add that to the event budget if we needed food, all good 
2025-10-30 13:14:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm not sure what you have in mind, but for release parties and workshops, it is not uncommon to fund some small snack funds for guests, like pizza, drinks, or other more local yummy foods
2025-10-30 13:14:10 <@theprogram:fedora.im> You should add it next time, it makes for a a better time hanging around after - where peopple get to ask the questions they don't want to infront of eveyone
2025-10-30 13:14:46 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeah I meant that
2025-10-30 13:14:59 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yea yeah
2025-10-30 13:15:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The important part is that (1) you make sure your budget reflects this and stays under $150 USD, (2) since you already got previous approval from Mindshare for 13,600 KES, you need to approach them again with an update on any changes, and (3) get receipts for anything you plan to get reimbursed for
2025-10-30 13:16:15 <@lochipi:matrix.org> we'll do it next time, will leave this as is
2025-10-30 13:16:47 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Iterative process :)
2025-10-30 13:17:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> OK. Just make sure what you have budgeted for, you get receipts for the things that are reimbursed. Receipts should have a date of the transaction, the name of the vendor/company, and a clear total amount paid
2025-10-30 13:17:52 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Did you see the reciepts for last time - they are even upoaded to the government in real time, most verifiable reciepts I've ever seen - anywhere in the world!
2025-10-30 13:18:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Bringing this back to the DEI Team ticket at-hand, I think documenting some of your wisdom of having done all of this would be immensely valuable, Cornelius Emase 
2025-10-30 13:18:18 <@theprogram:fedora.im> Did you see the reciepts for last time - they are even uploaded to the government in real time, most verifiable reciepts I've ever seen - anywhere in the world!
2025-10-30 13:18:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Even the stuff like using Grey to get a virtual bank account for USD reimbursement is helpful
2025-10-30 13:18:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I wouldn't have known about Grey if it were not for my visit to Nigeria in 2023 and the locals getting me spun up on it
2025-10-30 13:18:49 <@lochipi:matrix.org> we're just opening the floor next - (seeing typing...  giving you time)
2025-10-30 13:19:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm not sure what you mean here actually!
2025-10-30 13:19:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> mmm, let me put some stuff in the minutes real fast
2025-10-30 13:19:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Cornelius Emase has done some awesome work putting the theory into practice for the local community in Nairobi and other surrounding areas in Kenya.
2025-10-30 13:20:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info There were a lot of "papercuts" and lessons learned in the journey that could be helpful for others to learn from, to avoid some of the same hurdles.
2025-10-30 13:20:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !idea Documenting some of the tips and tricks for speedy reimbursements, how to plan/budget for an event, and understanding the Fedora processes could be helpful. This could be DEI Team or Mindshare Committee docs.
2025-10-30 13:21:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !idea The DEI Team should think of more ways to help others follow in the footsteps of folks like Cornelius Emase.
2025-10-30 13:21:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> <eof>
2025-10-30 13:21:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think that sums it up
2025-10-30 13:22:01 <@lochipi:matrix.org> Nice, thank you guys
2025-10-30 13:22:04 <@lochipi:matrix.org> opening the flooe
2025-10-30 13:22:08 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !info Open floor
2025-10-30 13:22:49 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Cornelius Emase++ Thanks for chairing today! Even with the Daylight Savings crisis 🙂 
2025-10-30 13:22:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to lochipi during the F43 timeframe
2025-10-30 13:23:35 <@lochipi:matrix.org> btw, Justin Wheeler - my suggested talk for flock: "How are we really going to double the number of contributors?" - something revolving this. I've got things to look it up before I finalize to it
2025-10-30 13:23:46 <@lochipi:matrix.org> checked your comment about something coming soon
2025-10-30 13:24:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh yes, something is coming soon :) 
2025-10-30 13:24:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We should chat about ideas and ways to get you to Flock 
2025-10-30 13:25:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But now is not the right time 
2025-10-30 13:25:39 <@lochipi:matrix.org> yeap yeap. 
2025-10-30 13:25:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We can discuss more 👍🏻
2025-10-30 13:26:18 <@theprogram:fedora.im> See you all later
2025-10-30 13:26:22 <@lochipi:matrix.org> Thank you guys for joining.
2025-10-30 13:26:25 <@lochipi:matrix.org> !endmeeting