2023-11-20 13:00:48
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!startmeeting Neurofedora - 2023-11-20
2023-11-20 13:00:48
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
Meeting started at 2023-11-20 13:00:48 UTC
2023-11-20 13:00:49
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
The Meeting name is 'Neurofedora - 2023-11-20'
2023-11-20 13:00:55
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!meetingname neurofedora
2023-11-20 13:01:08
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info Agenda is here: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2023/11/20/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-20-November-1300-utc.html
2023-11-20 13:01:14
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Introductions and roll call
2023-11-20 13:01:22
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!group members neuro-sig
2023-11-20 13:01:23
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
Members of neuro-sig: aekoroglu, alciregi, anilbey, Ankur Sinha, blackfile, bt0dotninja, fangq, gicmo, Sandro ., hardeborlaa, ignatenkobrain, ilgrad, iztokf, lbazan, Maíra Canal, Aniket Pradhan, mhough, Benjamin Beasley, Josh Santos, sagitter, sergiopr, shaneallcroft, vanessakris, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2023-11-20 13:01:43
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
@room hello folks, please join for the meeting
2023-11-20 13:01:59
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
never mind, we'll do meeting rooms next time..
2023-11-20 13:02:24
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
!hi
2023-11-20 13:02:25
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
Sandro . (gui1ty)
2023-11-20 13:05:48
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Tasks from last meeting
2023-11-20 13:06:06
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info last meeting logs: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/neuro_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2023-11-06/neurofedora-2023-11-06.2023-11-06-13.02.html
2023-11-20 13:06:29
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info FranciscoD: update python-lqrt package as per review comments
2023-11-20 13:06:33
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
not sure if I did this..
2023-11-20 13:06:50
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
not yet
2023-11-20 13:06:54
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!action FranciscoD: update python-lqrt package as per review comments
2023-11-20 13:07:18
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info everyone: decide what meeting room we want to us
2023-11-20 13:07:24
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
did we agree on a meeting room?
2023-11-20 13:07:42
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
all 3 seem empty now..
2023-11-20 13:07:46
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
so we could use whichever
2023-11-20 13:07:53
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
not really beyond any meeting room that's available will do
2023-11-20 13:08:11
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
since meeting is free, should we do that one?
2023-11-20 13:08:25
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
let's throw a dice 🎲
2023-11-20 13:08:27
<@music:fedora.im>
Definitely don’t adopt `python-ratelimiter` or `python-pyvhacd`.
2023-11-20 13:08:32
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
#meeting:fedoraproject.org
2023-11-20 13:09:41
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
maybe something for open floor to discuss further
2023-11-20 13:10:14
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
cool, yeh, let's do that in open floor or package health check
2023-11-20 13:10:26
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I propose we use #meeting:fedoraproject.org since it's available
2023-11-20 13:10:34
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I'll set up a recurring meeting on fedocal
2023-11-20 13:10:49
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!action FranciscoD: set up regular meeting on fedocal
2023-11-20 13:11:16
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Packages health check
2023-11-20 13:11:33
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info neuro-sig packager dashboard: https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig
2023-11-20 13:11:56
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
no open Pagure tickets I assume?
2023-11-20 13:12:15
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
oops, skipped that one
2023-11-20 13:12:20
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
but no, no new pagure tix
2023-11-20 13:12:35
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
one's on the meeting room, one's on vxl
2023-11-20 13:13:09
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info vxl -> patches backported but it doesn't build, so gotta see what code changes are required there to get that going.
2023-11-20 13:13:25
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I saw lots of PRs, anything that urgently requires my attention?
2023-11-20 13:13:36
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
otherwise I'll get to any remaining ones in the next couple of days
2023-11-20 13:13:54
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
nothing urgent I believe
2023-11-20 13:15:58
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
awesome
2023-11-20 13:16:48
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
ITK is impacted by jsoncpp being orphaned..
2023-11-20 13:17:19
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
Miro looked into updating MUSIC to work with cython 3 -> https://github.com/INCF/MUSIC/issues/77
2023-11-20 13:17:42
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
found a cython regression which has now been fixed, not sure if it's made it to Fedora yet, though
2023-11-20 13:18:56
<@music:fedora.im>
The commit https://github.com/cython/cython/commit/bbbe428ee5c52dd8fad10b0ee3bb2e33b5a8918c is newer than the last commit to `Cython` in dist-git, so I’d say no
2023-11-20 13:19:26
<@music:fedora.im>
Looks like it’s destined for release with Cython 3.0.6
2023-11-20 13:19:47
<@music:fedora.im>
https://github.com/cython/cython/issues/5818#event-10951750500
2023-11-20 13:20:56
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I'll make a note on the rhbz so we remember to keep an eye out for the new cython version
2023-11-20 13:20:57
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Is the Python SIG aiming to get rid of the Cython compat package? I saw a couple of PRs submitted for switching to updated Cython 3.x.
2023-11-20 13:21:19
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I've not noticed an announcement saying so yet, but I expect it'll be on the cards at some point
2023-11-20 13:23:28
<@music:fedora.im>
yes
2023-11-20 13:24:20
<@music:fedora.im>
Not as an urgent thing, but it seems like keeping it around would be a headache for Miro to keep alive, and there are only a few packages that still need it in Rawhide.
2023-11-20 13:25:25
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Makes sense. So they are actively pursuing moving all dependent packages to Cython 3.x. 🤞
2023-11-20 13:27:57
<@music:fedora.im>
Yup. Several people have been knocking out bugs, with informal coordination in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2245645.
2023-11-20 13:28:01
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
It looks like the list of FTBFS packages has grown since last meeting. I guess F37 is not worth pursuing any longer. But lots of rawhide FTBFS as well.
2023-11-20 13:28:21
<@music:fedora.im>
That bug provides a motivation/deadline, too: retire the compat package rather than trying to fix it for Python 3.13.
2023-11-20 13:28:58
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
makes sense
2023-11-20 13:29:12
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
only MUSIC remains for us, so removal of the cython compat shouldn't affect us
2023-11-20 13:29:24
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
`ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'numpy.distutils'`
2023-11-20 13:29:25
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
hrm..
2023-11-20 13:29:50
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/distutils_status_migration.html#distutils-status-migration
2023-11-20 13:30:37
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Thanks music! So it's kinda part of the move to Python 3.13, which in itself will bring interesting deprecations as well.
2023-11-20 13:31:11
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Yeah. They've gotten rid of it.
2023-11-20 13:32:15
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
gradunwarp is probably fixed in git, just not released: https://github.com/Washington-University/gradunwarp/blob/master/pyproject.toml#L5
2023-11-20 13:34:29
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
A few of the FTBFS bugs are for python 3.12
2023-11-20 13:34:34
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
s/3.12/3.13/
2023-11-20 13:35:22
<@music:fedora.im>
I’ve already fixed a few of those, so feel free to CC me if you run across something that’s non-obvious.
2023-11-20 13:35:22
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info python 3.13 is due for release 2024-10-01: https://devguide.python.org/versions/
2023-11-20 13:35:28
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
cool
2023-11-20 13:35:54
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
We'll have to do the fixing here, I can't see upstreams already preparing for 3.13, especially if it's not yet available on CI like github actions etc.
2023-11-20 13:36:44
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Well, Python 3.13 is planned for F41, is it not?
2023-11-20 13:37:08
<@music:fedora.im>
It depends. Some upstreams are happy to get early fixes, especially non-disruptive ones, and to merge them if they look OK.
2023-11-20 13:37:12
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.13
2023-11-20 13:37:22
<@music:fedora.im>
Others are like “we’ll start looking at Python 3.13 when it’s released”
2023-11-20 13:37:37
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
yeh, I meant that upstreams won't necessarily look at fixing things themselves this early---they'll be happy to take our patches
2023-11-20 13:38:20
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
🩹
2023-11-20 13:38:34
<@music:fedora.im>
🐍
2023-11-20 13:39:08
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
looks like we have new octave related ftbfs
2023-11-20 13:39:13
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
assuming octave was updated..
2023-11-20 13:39:52
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
yeh, to 8.4.x: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/octave/commits/rawhide
2023-11-20 13:40:41
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
```
'LANG': 'C.UTF-8', 'LC_MESSAGES': 'C.UTF-8', 'SYSTEMD_NSPAWN_TMPFS_TMP': '0', 'SYSTEMD_SECCOMP': '0'} and shell False
DEBUG util.py:446: No matches found for the following disable plugin patterns: local, spacewalk, versionlock
DEBUG util.py:446: Error:
DEBUG util.py:446: Problem: package octave-devel-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from build requires octave = 6:8.4.0-1.fc40, but none of the providers can be installed
DEBUG util.py:446: - package octave-devel-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from build requires liboctave.so.10()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
DEBUG util.py:446: - package octave-devel-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from build requires liboctinterp.so.11()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
DEBUG util.py:446: - package octave-devel-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from build requires liboctgui.so.9()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
DEBUG util.py:446: - conflicting requests
DEBUG util.py:446: - nothing provides libsundials_sunlinsolklu.so.4.6.1()(64bit) needed by octave-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from build
DEBUG util.py:448: (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages)
DEBUG util.py:595: Child return code was: 1
```
2023-11-20 13:41:01
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
you beat me to it...
2023-11-20 13:41:23
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
so octave is FTI at the moment then?
2023-11-20 13:41:48
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
or koschei picked tried builds at a bad time?
2023-11-20 13:41:57
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I'll go try a quick mockbuild and see what we get
2023-11-20 13:43:01
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
still getting it in mock, trying with `--enablerepo=local`
2023-11-20 13:43:01
<@music:fedora.im>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2249025
2023-11-20 13:43:42
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
ah, cool---I guess we wait for this to be fixed then
2023-11-20 13:44:30
<@music:fedora.im>
wonder if it ftbfs or if it just needs a rebuild for a petsc/sundials update
2023-11-20 13:45:03
<@music:fedora.im>
```
Error:
Problem: cannot install the best candidate for the job
- nothing provides libsundials_sunlinsolklu.so.4.6.1()(64bit) needed by octave-6:8.4.0-1.fc40.x86_64 from fedora
```
2023-11-20 13:45:12
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
probably just a rebuild
2023-11-20 13:45:30
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I think some co-ordination issues caused that one---octave was re-built for the new sundials just before the update: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/octave/commits/rawhide
2023-11-20 13:47:08
<@music:fedora.im>
but then the latest octave is only a week old, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-afc259b420
2023-11-20 13:47:44
<@music:fedora.im>
but then there was https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sundials/c/327d656fb4a9d59c48d2dbb2a663347df7319da6?branch=rawhide
2023-11-20 13:48:51
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
looks like all sundials deps need another round of rebuilds then..
2023-11-20 13:49:02
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Well, looks like orion gets to take care of his own fallout.
2023-11-20 13:49:24
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Well, looks like Orion gets to take care of his own fallout.
2023-11-20 13:49:26
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
yeh, he'll get to it
2023-11-20 13:49:38
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
we'll just wait until octave is fixed, not much we can do until then
2023-11-20 13:50:18
<@music:fedora.im>
I’m doing a local rebuild of `octave`. If it succeeds and is installable I’ll open a PR for the rebuild.
2023-11-20 13:50:18
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
other than that the packages seem fine---the usual new versions and so on
2023-11-20 13:50:56
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
⏱️
2023-11-20 13:53:01
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info Packages look fine---some new versions, octave packages FTBFS because of octave FTI, a few new python 3.13 related FTBFS bugs
2023-11-20 13:53:06
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Open reviews check
2023-11-20 13:53:18
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info review tracker bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro
2023-11-20 13:53:40
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info 4 reviews, 2 in progress, 2 *new*
2023-11-20 13:54:08
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
I'm not going to review Rust packages, if you don't mind.
2023-11-20 13:55:01
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
I'll take a look---tinkered with rust but not really dived into, so maybe this will be a chance to do that
2023-11-20 13:59:11
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Comp neuro compose check
2023-11-20 13:59:21
<@music:fedora.im>
I’m starting to be OK with simple Rust reviews. I’m trying to do a few for Fabio Valentini since he’s been reviewing my first Rust packages. This one is a little uglier as an unbundling patch is required, but nothing terribly crazy. You can always ask Fabio or someone else in rust-sig to double-check your work if you want.
2023-11-20 13:59:26
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!info All greens here: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691
2023-11-20 14:00:11
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
we're out of time today, so we'll skip the rest of the agenda.
2023-11-20 14:00:38
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
Penguinpee: music : did you want to have a quick chat about the orphaned packages and which we should take on?
2023-11-20 14:00:41
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!topic Open floor
2023-11-20 14:01:12
<@gui1ty:fedora.im>
Yes. But we can also do that outside of the meeting.
2023-11-20 14:01:28
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
OK cool, let me close the meeting, and we can do that then
2023-11-20 14:01:30
<@ankursinha:fedora.im>
!endmeeting