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14:38:51 <mchua> #chair computercolin
14:38:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: computercolin mchua
14:38:59 <mchua> #meetingname etherpad fad planning
14:38:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'etherpad_fad_planning'
14:39:07 <mchua> computercolin: Have I showed you how to use zodbot before?
14:39:08 <computercolin> what command to tell them about spot?
14:39:18 <computercolin> litlte
14:39:21 <mchua> computercolin: what do you mean?
14:39:38 <computercolin> we should log spot and the BECC room
14:39:42 <mchua> computercolin: the important tags to remember are #note and #action - for things you want to pull into the meeting notes, and for action items a specific person should be doing.
14:39:51 <mchua> #note BECC rooms are $160/night
14:40:05 <mchua> #note 2 interested parties from NYC - Jon Stanley and another person (who is it, colin?)
14:40:18 <mchua> #note Spot is local, but 2 hours away so we may want to get him a hotel room too.
14:40:28 <computercolin> #note other person was Spot
14:40:54 <computercolin> Holiday Inn is $90 /night, but in Natick
14:40:55 <mchua> Oh!
14:41:01 <mchua> ...yeah, put them up at the BECC.
14:41:06 <mchua> More hacking hours. :)
14:41:11 * computercolin agrees!
14:41:52 <mchua> computercolin: By the way - the average FAD budget runs somewhere between $1.5-$3k.
14:42:16 <mchua> So you're running way under. :) But we'll need to make sure the plan of work is very solid and that we can hit deployment or some other audacious goal that weekend. :)
14:42:25 <mchua> It also takes a shit-tonne of work for planning.
14:42:35 <computercolin> well, $360 * 2 + $250 put us at $970
14:43:03 <computercolin> well, we have a pre-FAD planning day scheduled
14:43:16 * computercolin wishes I coudl pay myself for planning
14:43:38 <computercolin> Okay, lemme add the extra amout to the wiki
14:43:48 * mchua nods
14:44:03 <mchua> The goal is to get it packaged and deployed in Fedora Infrastructure (or at least ready for staging, was that it?)
14:44:16 <mchua> Spot will be amazingly helpful with packaging, Jon will be amazingly helpful with Infrastructure, you've got the right guys there.
14:44:20 <mchua> Any Etherpad devs?
14:44:55 <computercolin> no etherpad devs
14:45:03 <computercolin> You got the goal nailed
14:45:31 <computercolin> Once I add Jon and Spot's rooms on the wiki, who do I present the budget to?
14:45:39 <mchua> Me and my boss.
14:45:44 <mchua> mspevack@redhat and mel@redhat
14:45:46 <mchua> (.com)
14:45:46 <computercolin> If I print it on cholocate will it have a higher chance of acceptance?
14:46:06 <mchua> Nah, it's a matter of "how confident are we that you'll achieve the goals you said you would, and how awesome are those goals?"
14:46:14 <mchua> Getting Etherpad into Fedora infra is pretty damn awesome, though. :)
14:46:25 <mchua> The pre-planning day will help.
14:46:27 * mchua looks to see when that is
14:46:44 <mchua> computercolin: seriously, I think it's something we'd *like* to approve, I'll talk with Max about it tomorrow if you're ready to ask for $ by then.
14:47:07 <mchua> computercolin: agh! the pre-fad is the day of my flight to Cape Town. The *day*.
14:47:12 <computercolin> mchua: only thing I'd like to know before budget approval is Jon
14:47:17 <mchua> What about him?
14:47:20 <mchua> Whether he can come?
14:47:21 <mchua> He's fantastic.
14:47:41 <computercolin> Been getting sporatic emails from him, so I want to confirm with him that if we give him a room, he'll come
14:47:55 <computercolin> Oh, we need to budget travel for Jon
14:48:01 <mchua> Oh, okay.
14:48:09 <computercolin> He is train and bus, like $50, IIRC
14:48:12 <mchua> Yeah, do that, but ask for budget anyway saying "this would be reserved for Jon"
14:48:16 <mchua> Jon's come to FADs before so he knows the drill.
14:48:22 <mchua> Don't block on it, is what I'm saying.
14:48:25 * computercolin awesome
14:48:37 <mchua> How about remotees? I'm happy to pitch in remote as I can, it sounds like you've got some interest from people who can't be there in person.
14:48:39 <computercolin> oh yeah, you can budget and then not spend money
14:48:46 * mchua nods, under-budget is always good :)
14:49:01 * computercolin will certainly try not to go over
14:49:11 <mchua> For instance, Toshio replied to your questions (via my blog post) - he's on the west coast but a #fedora-admin regular and may be willing to listen in and help once in a while.
14:49:16 <computercolin> can I just run through things and make sure they sound reasonable
14:49:27 * computercolin totally plans on having remotes
14:49:27 <mchua> Larry Cafiero, out in California, replied to one of Sebastian's earlier blog posts about Etherpad packaging, etc.
14:49:33 <mchua> there's folks like cjb and slinkp
14:49:43 <computercolin> Actually, a bunch of EP Europe people want to hack that day
14:49:43 <mchua> who may not be able to come the entire weekend, but could lurk on IRC, or swing by for a few hours
14:49:47 * mchua nods
14:49:48 <mchua> That would be sweet.
14:49:51 <mchua> OOH!
14:49:58 <mchua> I could possibly help them sync up, Cape Town is 6 hours ahead.
14:50:01 <mchua> (of Boston)
14:50:10 <mchua> so it's smack dab in the middle of European timezones.
14:50:12 <computercolin> A big education bloke (UK) has holiday the week of the FAD, so he'll help
14:50:16 <mchua> Very, very nice.
14:50:30 <mchua> You should write all this down on the FAD wiki too, remote attendees are attendees and they give you *significantly* more firepower :)
14:50:41 * computercolin thinks ti woudl be awesome to have someone help us sync our hours
14:50:44 <mchua> Think of Olin as a hub from which you'll be coordinating a worldwide effort for Etherpad and Great Justice for that weekend.
14:50:56 <mchua> I'll pull as much as I can that week, though I'll be teaching a large chunk of the day.
14:51:05 * computercolin thought I had something on the wiki about the remote euro hackers
14:51:07 <mchua> If there's something the POSSE attendees and I can do, I'll try to make that happen.
14:51:28 <mchua> ...I don't see anything on the wiki about euro hackers, nope
14:51:29 <computercolin> re POSSE, we are a college, we are using EP for educational purposes
14:51:41 <mchua> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD#People
14:51:42 * mchua nods
14:52:02 <computercolin> There is a brief mention on the talk page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Etherpad_FAD
14:52:02 <mchua> well, the thing with POSSE is that the professors there spend a week contributing to *some* FOSS project.
14:52:05 <mchua> i.e., hacking.
14:52:09 <computercolin> Under Java / Scala / JS / balhy
14:52:11 <computercolin> *blah
14:52:29 <mchua> computercolin: okay, can you put their names under the "people" section too and add that they're remote (and whether they're confirmed or not?)
14:52:36 * computercolin predicts having way to many people and organizational confusion
14:52:44 <mchua> computercolin: You learn to ride the chaos. :)
14:53:06 <computercolin> hmmm, I shoudl jsut paste email bodies from the euro devs on the talk page
14:53:11 <mchua> computercolin: actually, if you and sdziallas_afk are up for a skype convo about this sometime today I'd love to get a higher-bandwidth communication flow just to try giving you more of an idea what a FAD's like, how to wrangle all those logistics.
14:53:15 <mchua> computercolin: You could do that, yes. :)
14:53:28 <computercolin> aweseome diea!
14:53:41 <computercolin> I wondre if SDZ is awake
14:54:08 <computercolin> SDZ's laptop has a build-in webcam =)
14:54:18 <mchua> He's been pretty dead lately so I hope he's sleeping in this morning.
14:54:25 <mchua> After lunch, maybe?
14:54:27 <computercolin> Its almost 11!
14:54:37 * mchua is so jealous of the new computers
14:54:40 <computercolin> okay, fair enough
14:54:43 * computercolin same
14:54:47 <mchua> My Olin Dell has long since given up the ghost.
14:54:53 <mchua> It... became a tablet PC, accidentally.
14:54:59 <mchua> And then the hard drive started failing.
14:54:59 <computercolin> magic smoke, dear
14:55:07 <computercolin> you have to keep it in
14:55:18 <mchua> The magic smoke did not escape! I watched it very very verrrry carefully!
14:55:24 <computercolin> lets run through budget to make sure I haven't underbudgeted
14:55:26 * mchua nods
14:55:29 * computercolin laughs
14:55:52 * computercolin adding numbers repeatedly, saw how large they were, and kept reducing them
14:56:04 <computercolin> just food, I think travel is set, sans Jon's bus, which is very reasonable
14:56:12 <computercolin> hotel, also set
14:56:32 <mchua> You can buy better food if you like. :) Get some nice pizza, at least.
14:56:33 <computercolin> here goes
14:56:37 <computercolin> no buget for pre-FAD
14:56:49 <computercolin> $5 pizza / person for Friday
14:56:52 <mchua> The Upper Crust is fantastic, I also like Crazy Dough, or Sweet Tomatoes (which is closest for delivery - in Newton)
14:57:04 <mchua> Oh, make it $15/person, get it from Sweet Tomatoes, and get some drinks.
14:57:08 <mchua> Really.
14:57:14 <mchua> You're going to be working hard, treat yourself nicely. :)
14:57:23 <computercolin> Err, okay. Sweet!
14:57:36 <computercolin> Jon + Spot + Jeff + DJ + Crawf
14:57:50 <mchua> Matthew Crawford?
14:57:56 <computercolin> yup!
14:58:01 <computercolin> + possibly DJ's roommate
14:58:07 <computercolin> I think thats it for external
14:58:10 <mchua> Awesome.
14:58:12 <computercolin> Possibly CJB, need to bug him
14:58:26 * mchua nods
14:58:28 <computercolin> We'll call that 7
14:58:35 <mchua> there are some Olin alumni I'd be interested in having remote, if they're keen.
14:58:36 <computercolin> I'm planning on making Oliners go to the dining hall
14:58:48 * computercolin would love some remote Oliners
14:58:50 <mchua> For instance, Katie Rivard '06 - one of Lynn's first students at Olin, completely kickass, doing HCI at CMU now.
14:58:57 <mchua> Ooo, have you spammed the alumni list?
14:59:01 <mchua> (can you spam the alumni list?)
14:59:06 * computercolin was totally surprised by non-response to the Boston Alum list
14:59:10 <mchua> (do you want me to forward an invitation to the alumni list?)
14:59:12 <computercolin> Yup, but just the boston one
14:59:20 <mchua> Ah, okay, I'd spam the global one.
14:59:25 <mchua> That would explain why I didn't get it. :)
14:59:30 <computercolin> i see, well I can do that
14:59:35 <computercolin> Is there another list?
14:59:41 <computercolin> olinalumni.com?
14:59:49 <computercolin> Or just the Olin IT list?
15:00:10 <mchua> Olin IT list.
15:00:42 <computercolin> okay, so budget is being updated!
15:00:56 <mchua> w00t!
15:01:00 <computercolin> 7 * 15 = $105 dinner for Friday
15:01:10 <mchua> If you spam the global alumni list, I'll follow up.
15:01:22 <mchua> #action computercolin poke global Olin alumni list about remote FAD participation, mchua to followup on computercolin's email
15:01:51 <computercolin> #action computercolin add remote attendees and Oliners to wiki
15:02:00 <mchua> (I can ping specific individuals and say "hey, did you see this?" and reply to the list and say "yeah, this is really cool, you folks should look at it" so people who know me but not you might take another look, etc.)
15:02:10 <mchua> (mm, intergenerational Olin-fu.)
15:02:31 * computercolin loves the sound!
15:02:40 <mchua> Similarly, you folks are going to have to explain to the current Olin students who the heck all these crusty people are, when they come in. :)
15:02:42 <computercolin> Next meal, Saturday Buffet
15:02:49 <mchua> Masala Art?
15:02:52 <computercolin> Yup
15:02:54 <mchua> Love it. Wish I could make it.
15:02:57 <mchua> I adore Indian food.
15:03:06 <computercolin> $14 * 7 = $98
15:03:13 <mchua> That sounds awesome, remember to chuck in some for tip.
15:03:30 <mchua> And let's make a little buffer in case you have last-minute attendees.
15:03:46 <computercolin> 98* 15% = $116
15:03:52 <mchua> Let's say 10 people, so $140 + tip another $20, say $160 total budget lunch?
15:04:03 <computercolin> okay, $160
15:04:06 <mchua> That way if Chris Ball drops by, etc, you can feed him.
15:04:13 <computercolin> cool
15:04:23 <mchua> Folks who aren't hacking on Etherpad can join you and pay for their own meals ;)
15:04:25 <computercolin> oh, actually, we need more people on Buffet
15:04:34 <mchua> Oh, okay? Add!
15:04:41 <computercolin> I was going to pay for remotes, plus andy plus SDZ plus me
15:04:47 <computercolin> That is like 10 people right there
15:04:58 <computercolin> If Oliners want to join, was going to have them pay their own buffet
15:04:59 <mchua> Say 15 people, then.
15:05:03 <computercolin> Say 11
15:05:06 <computercolin> or 21
15:05:08 <computercolin> *12
15:05:10 <computercolin> 12 I think
15:05:19 <mchua> 14*15 = $210
15:05:22 <mchua> Just take $250 for lunch.
15:05:30 <computercolin> okay, will do
15:05:36 <mchua> That seems like the big fancy "we're all going to hang out for a long time and chat and get to know each other" meal.
15:05:43 <mchua> the "big meal" of the FAD, so to speak
15:06:06 <computercolin> going to call it the Discussion meal!
15:06:17 <computercolin> Okay, and that night, going cheap.
15:06:21 <mchua> #info Saturday lunch is at Masala Art, $14 per person, budget $250 (15 people plus tip)
15:06:25 <mchua> Right-o.
15:06:37 * computercolin cringes, to keep the numbers down, was thinking of doing rice and flavor stuff
15:06:59 * computercolin tryes to remember what else I was thinking of cooking
15:07:10 <computercolin> there was something else
15:07:41 <mchua> Dude, feed yourselves well, you're going to earn it!
15:07:57 <computercolin> Oh yeah, I considered take out chinese
15:08:02 <computercolin> Probably $7 /person
15:08:07 <mchua> That would work too.
15:08:18 <computercolin> Any ideas for well?
15:08:22 <mchua> You could also - if you want to do rice and flavor stuff, grab a wok and stir-fry veggies in the kitchen
15:08:28 * computercolin thinks at that point we would need salads
15:08:41 <mchua> bags of frozen veggies + stir-fry sauce + curry are a couple bucks, cooking together is fun.
15:08:41 <computercolin> so much heavy food
15:08:45 * mchua nods
15:08:50 <mchua> So, one suggestion:
15:08:52 <computercolin> I like the cooking idea
15:08:54 <mchua> rice + flavor stuff
15:08:56 <computercolin> shot
15:08:58 <computercolin> *&shoot
15:09:14 <mchua> frozen vegetables + various stir-fry sauces + communal kitchen time (fun!) atop said rice
15:09:32 <mchua> plus some instant-salad-in-a-bag salad
15:09:32 <computercolin> Okay, that sounds good
15:09:38 <mchua> plus soda, juice, etc.
15:09:45 <mchua> That should be well under $10/p
15:10:01 <mchua> yet healthy and delicious, and fun to cook together.
15:10:07 <computercolin> Yeah, I budgeted $20 for drinks each night,
15:10:13 * computercolin SCORE!
15:10:14 <mchua> DJ's gotten good at making dandan noodles too, so you could ask him to make that, etc.
15:10:24 * computercolin love the suggestion, will ask
15:10:35 <computercolin> Those flat rice noodles are pretty easy, if we had some oyster sauce
15:10:45 <mchua> Say $150 budget for dinner groceries? That sound like enough?
15:10:48 <computercolin> Any good Chinese grocery stores around
15:10:53 <mchua> Super 88.
15:11:13 <mchua> They moved, their new location is by... Back Bay, I think.
15:11:27 <computercolin> Lets see $10-15  lettuce, $10 frozen veggies, $10 rice, $40 spices and sauces, sounds good
15:11:28 <mchua> You don't have to be the one to get the stuff, btw, put DJ and Crawford to work at some prep too. :)
15:11:46 <mchua> #info Communal Chinese cooking Saturday dinner, budget $150
15:12:04 <computercolin> #action cmptuercolin email DJ and Crawf to make noodles / pickup groceries
15:12:15 <mchua> you rock.
15:12:33 <mchua> You're doing everything right, Colin - it's hardest the first time, after the first FAD event planning becomes "oh yeah, I've done this before."
15:12:55 * mchua notes computercolin ought to seriously consider trying to get out for FUDCon in Tempe, AZ this January
15:12:58 <computercolin> thanks
15:13:00 <mchua> (travel funding is available)
15:13:10 <computercolin> Hmm, hmm, tempting
15:13:14 * computercolin very tempted
15:13:24 <mchua> (you should say something like "I did the Etherpad FAD, want to learn how to submit a FUDCon bid, look for more opportunities to get involved, etc"
15:13:38 <mchua> Spot and Jon and Sebastian and other folks who've been to FUDCon before can answer questions, help you with that)
15:13:46 <mchua> Just tell them that you're interested in coming but don't know what to do.
15:13:50 <computercolin> say it in a blog post? on a list? (on a train)
15:14:01 * computercolin now understands
15:14:56 <computercolin> Okay, food buget is now updated on the wiki
15:15:06 <computercolin> Need to add travel, attendees,
15:15:16 <computercolin> Then we're set for budget approval
15:15:26 <computercolin> I'll find SDZ and skype with you today
15:15:31 <computercolin> what times work?
15:17:01 <computercolin> #endmeeting