14:00:56 #startmeeting RDO meeting - 2020-07-15 14:00:56 Meeting started Wed Jul 15 14:00:56 2020 UTC. 14:00:56 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:00:56 The chair is amoralej. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:56 The meeting name has been set to 'rdo_meeting_-_2020-07-15' 14:00:57 Meeting started Wed Jul 15 14:00:56 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amoralej. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:01 The meeting name has been set to 'rdo_meeting___2020_07_15' 14:01:02 #topic rall call 14:01:16 Warning I'm at the car dealership as I had a bad tire. So if I dissapear suddenly that's why 14:01:22 o/ 14:01:45 ok 14:01:49 #chair spotz 14:01:49 Current chairs: amoralej spotz 14:01:50 Current chairs: amoralej spotz 14:04:32 o/ 14:05:16 o/ 14:05:19 #chair ykarel jcapitao 14:05:19 Current chairs: amoralej jcapitao spotz ykarel 14:05:20 Current chairs: amoralej jcapitao spotz ykarel 14:05:27 ok, let's start with first topic 14:05:59 #topic Upcoming events - https://review.rdoproject.org/etherpad/p/rdo-events 14:06:24 spotz, are you available? 14:06:32 So I ran this past jbrooks and we're a go from his end 14:07:02 oh, sounds good 14:07:04 We are looking at getting t-shirts for workers and participants from the same vendor that CEPH is using 14:07:21 i need to review the etherpad 14:07:31 \o/ 14:07:37 And I estimated for all events plus helpers being about 50 but said I'd check with everyone 14:07:42 \o/ 14:08:44 sounds great spotz ! 14:08:46 I waited to this week to send the goc days email out as I didn't want it to get lost over the weekend and we have 1 response. I've linked the etherpad I'm gathering responses on to the events etherpad 14:10:00 We had one response this morning, I'm not sure how realistic getting every config option in TripleO is but who knows:) He also said the Ironic instructions while he figured it out weren't clear. So that's 2 things for a doc days so far 14:10:47 Does anyone think even with helpers we'd be over 50 people for hackfest, install RDO, install packstack, and doc days? 14:10:48 yes, valid feedback, although that should go to TripleO upstream doc more that RDO 14:11:18 but still good to collect and contribute 14:11:30 i think 50 is more than enough considering last test days 14:11:32 spotz, i don't expect more that 50 people 14:11:33 yes 14:11:36 amoralej: Yeah my thoughts as well for that one, but I did include upstream as if we're missing like how to install Octavia on RHEL/CentOS that might be something we can cover 14:11:37 +1 14:12:34 Ok so 50 total for all the events including the workers and hopefully next time we'll say 100+ for the events 14:13:21 And yes I'm including all volunteers for shirts as well with the hope maybe we could get ours to wear should we be doing video for an event 14:14:04 So any other comments/thoughts on this besides the fact we need to narrow down dates and platform(s)? 14:14:43 spotz, also we need to detail a bit on the installating workshop 14:14:47 if we do that with tripleo 14:14:54 we probably need some more infra 14:15:00 undercloud/overcloud 14:15:03 etc 14:15:06 Ok that might be a third install workshop:) 14:15:18 so, for the installation workshop 14:15:33 what were you thinking for deployment tooling? 14:15:45 I figured the devstack might be good for onboading. then a use the RPMs workshop. FOrgot about tripleO 14:16:01 !devstack but packstack 14:16:03 spotz: Error: "devstack" is not a valid command. 14:16:09 good :) 14:16:12 :) 14:16:36 :) 14:16:43 sorry for undercloud/overcloud we targetting baremetals? 14:16:50 or just libvirt based deployments 14:17:01 using quickstart 14:17:07 i'd avoid quickstart 14:17:15 as quickstart is not intended for users, but for CI 14:17:16 right? 14:17:17 then manual install? 14:17:34 no it's for users as well 14:17:37 how are users supposed to install 14:17:42 I was thinking libvirt only because it's easier for people to have one piece of hardware and if they messup recreate the VM 14:17:43 for ci there is rapper on quickstart 14:18:04 Yeah the one time I tried quickstart.sh it was no bueno 14:18:27 quickstart https://www.rdoproject.org/tripleo/ 14:18:41 that still works? 14:18:43 it needs mainly few steps to deploy 14:18:43 :) 14:18:44 yes 14:18:56 might need some adjustment for tripleo, but it works 14:18:56 ykarel, there's now https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-operator-ansible which was supposed to be usable for both CI and users 14:19:01 s/tripleo/centos8 14:19:02 my personal opinion is that using that 14:19:23 Ok I'll go through that quickstart page once I get an OS on my NUC 14:19:24 hides too much the actual process and it's too opinionated 14:19:29 apevec, yup that's also an option, quickstart too started adopting it 14:19:45 oh 14:19:47 good point 14:19:52 let's engage tripleo 14:19:54 guys 14:19:59 Yeah if we're doing this we want folks to learn something 14:20:11 And add more t-shirts to the count:) 14:20:12 could also be a good oportunity to show tripleo-operator-ansible 14:20:30 for quickstart, there is also phases doc https://docs.openstack.org/tripleo-quickstart/latest/getting-started.html 14:20:40 Think tripleo-operator-ansible could be a twitch stream? 14:20:40 mwhahaha may be interested 14:20:41 but yes inside it's all ansible tasks 14:21:10 ykarel: That's the one I think I tried a year or two with no luck but might have been my network setup 14:21:37 Oh and we got bumped from 7/27 for commons, will let you know new possible date 14:21:46 spotz, hmm possible, but it works fine, me also not tried recently though 14:22:15 but runs in CI fine so saying it works 14:22:29 ykarel: It might have been how I had networking configured. It took me a bit to figure it out thanks to one of ktenzer's blogs 14:22:55 And I mean the networking but at that point I just installed like in the blog 14:23:39 And I've added the tripleo install to the etherpad 14:23:42 tripleo-operator-ansible simplifies the execution, it doesn't unfortuantely do anything for environmental setup and configuration generation 14:23:57 Sergii Golovatiuk created rdo-infra/ansible-role-tripleo-ci-reproducer master: Remove screen from package list https://review.rdoproject.org/r/28544 14:24:13 Tengu's tripleo-lab is an alternative to quickstart if you want to give that a go 14:24:22 it uses tripleo-operator-ansible to do the exeuction 14:24:35 https://github.com/cjeanner/tripleo-lab 14:24:38 fwiw 14:24:47 added to the etherpad thanks 14:25:07 mwhahaha, we are thinking in doing creating some virtual workshops about installation methods 14:25:17 wrt tripleo, what do you think may be the best way for users? 14:25:18 for virtual workships tripleo-lab would be good 14:25:31 requires libvirt tho i think 14:25:37 yes it does 14:26:03 spotz, ack, let's see how it works now, it doesn't need much on networking side 14:27:02 Yeah so a beefy enough server which we should probably provide specs for ahead of time 14:27:10 for a virtual thing, if you provided the ovb instances, then you could just use tripleo-operator-ansible 14:27:12 it does yep 14:27:25 libvirt, and a computer with enough power to run VMs. 14:27:58 the environment creation/config is really a seperate thing from the actual tripleo usage 14:28:04 spotz: minimal specs are provided in the readme - but since you can set whatever resources you want per VM... 14:28:23 do we have fedora32 images in rdo? 14:28:55 (also note, tripleo-labs has been tested with centos7, centos8, rhel7 and rhel8 - not with any fedora atm) 14:28:55 yes as per https://review.rdoproject.org/zuul/labels 14:29:00 sshnaidm, ^ 14:29:02 We were thinking we'd do guided config/install workshops with checkins for longer workshops 14:29:29 Whether it's someone being around the entire time or office hour checkins not sure yet 14:31:05 spotz, so it would one workshop to deploy with tripleo 14:31:13 one for PoC with packstack 14:31:24 and first one is not clear to me, manually following upstream doc? 14:31:37 So tripleo team would you be willing to help if we do a tripleo install workshop? Also not sure if you have it but someone asked for tripleo config option 14:31:43 dnf install, schema creating, manual config and so on? 14:31:44 amoralej: Yeah using the RPMs 14:31:52 uh, the hard way :) 14:32:01 That's actually easier for me:) 14:32:29 Sagi Shnaidman created rdo-jobs master: Create nodesets for fedora 32 and rawhide https://review.rdoproject.org/r/28545 14:32:35 amoralej, ykarel please review ^ 14:32:39 But the advantage is that people learn more when they make mistakes. 14:33:00 yes, it's useful for learning purposes 14:33:16 i'd say not practical to deploy production environments 14:33:46 but yes, you learn a lot, it used to be the firs task to learn openstack 14:33:50 Hehehe it's how I did my first prod environment but there were no other options for Grizzly 14:34:17 So anyways 3 install workshops, hackfest and doc days 14:34:23 ok 14:34:26 sounds great 14:34:28 +1 14:34:57 Sagi Shnaidman created rdo-infra/ansible-role-tripleo-ci-reproducer master: Add new podman fedora jobs https://review.rdoproject.org/r/28546 14:35:02 I'll work on details such as platform and possible dates and get back to the team but will keep that document updated 14:35:16 might be better to push the tripleo-operator-ansible instead of calling "openstack" commands though.... ansible, that kind of things. 14:35:56 especially since the operators are here in order to help converging the tools/way things are being deployed 14:35:56 tengu was kinda thinking a twitch stream for that if anyone was interested:) 14:38:38 I think that's it for this round of RDO events discussions 14:38:40 thanks for all that work spotz 14:38:44 yep 14:38:49 amoralej: My pleasure 14:38:52 i think we can move to next topic 14:39:27 +1 14:39:35 #topic restarting NFV SIG for more official OVS/OVN builds 14:39:50 #link https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-July/055933.html 14:40:21 as announce in previous meetings we'll start building OSP/OVN from Fast DataPath in CentOS NFV Sig 14:40:36 I've proposed a meeting to relaunch the SIG next week 14:41:04 amoralej, how many volunteers/members are already there with new SIG? 14:41:04 #action everyone interested in NFV SIG please join us! 14:41:19 not many :) 14:41:22 i expect 3-4 14:41:33 ok i can join then :) 14:41:35 i got confirmation from oVirt guys 14:41:53 i'm trying to engage NFV team too 14:42:01 sure ykarel, you are welcome! 14:42:14 yes that would be much better to engage folks with background 14:42:24 also i'll check if former NFV members are interested inparticipate 14:43:25 that's good 14:43:39 for us (RDO/CLoud SIG) prio is to get OVS/OVN rebuilds from FDP srpms going 14:43:51 yes 14:43:59 I did scratch build and it just worked(tm) 14:44:23 Don't foget to make a SiG page:) 14:44:24 in fact 2.13 seems to not be affected by the issue affecting previous versions 14:44:34 i saw unit tests are passing 14:44:44 #link scratch OVS FDP build https://cbs.centos.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1386673 14:44:46 yes spotz it's part of the next steps 14:45:03 Maybe make a Sig section on https://www.rdoproject.org/contribute/? 14:45:21 amoralej, so for us it would be just an external repo, right? 14:45:30 yes 14:45:30 how we planning to test the builds 14:45:35 ykarel, yes 14:45:47 that's the open topic to discuss, gating 14:45:50 i want to create some CI jobs to test it from -testing 14:45:52 hmm okk 14:45:57 I guess oVirt would like to contribute their use-cases 14:46:03 too 14:46:11 spotz, i don't want to mix nfv sig in RDO 14:46:22 i'll use CentOS doc pages, i think 14:46:34 Ok 14:47:37 yes, i expect ovirt to also test builds 14:47:47 we'll discuss in the meeting 14:48:51 i think that's it about this topic 14:49:10 #topic next week chair 14:49:13 any volunteer? 14:49:42 I can do it I think 14:49:57 #action spotz to chair next week 14:49:59 thanks 14:50:08 #topic open floor 14:50:53 One thing:) 14:51:17 Do we do triage or review list meetings or anything like that? 14:51:37 no, we don't 14:52:06 you'd like to have? 14:52:53 We had them for a bit with OSA but no longer have them. I'm just trying to think of ways we can get folks involved and keep them involved 14:53:29 Time from commit to merge on a first patch could be important for maintaining a new contributor 14:53:41 commit=git review 14:55:34 some time ago we had easyfix initiative https://github.com/redhat-openstack/easyfix 14:56:15 and mainly chandankumar took care of office hours for it 14:56:28 Ok I'll take a look and check in with him 14:56:44 it was a way to attract new contributors 14:57:28 chandankumar is now focused in tripleo-ci, but we can discuss if it'd be good to retake 14:57:36 Merged rdo-jobs master: Create nodesets for fedora 32 and rawhide https://review.rdoproject.org/r/28545 14:57:54 Gabriele Cerami proposed rdo-infra/ci-config master: Promoter: switch to qcow python promotion https://review.rdoproject.org/r/27626 14:58:21 Yeah some of the mentors are doing other things or gone from RH 14:58:42 yep 14:59:01 anything else, we are almost out of time 14:59:17 Ok I'll put updating that and making it available from the website as wishlit to do items:) 14:59:30 ah yes I'll update https://github.com/redhat-openstack/easyfix#mentors list 15:00:15 include me ^ :) 15:00:16 removals done 15:00:21 ykarel, send PR :) 15:00:29 sure will send 15:01:06 Sorin Sbarnea (zbr) created rdo-infra/ci-config master: Add mol-promoter periodic https://review.rdoproject.org/r/28547 15:01:49 Once I get more of a handle on RDO processes and stuff I'll mentor but not while I'm still pestering folks with questions:) 15:02:19 sure :) 15:02:28 I'm closing the meeting unless there is any last minute topic 15:02:59 #endmeeting