02:56:31 #startmeeting 02:56:31 Meeting started Tue Nov 3 02:56:31 2009 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:56:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:56:35 * mchua begins logs ;) 02:56:39 aho, sitting in unisim and doing this chat via the web is the only way because these people are network nazis! 02:57:25 haha...ok 02:57:47 so, for the record, i am using webchat.freenode.net via the browser 02:57:52 I have some updates with regards to the attendees and I need a final confirmation on what is needed in terms of terminal 02:58:14 i have a request from malaysia - actually two. can we accomodate them? 02:58:24 aho - see my forwarded email on one person. 02:59:30 I have no objections, though I'd like the info on students asap 02:59:42 (the survey info) 02:59:45 can they share room? 03:00:01 China has not gotten back on me for the full list 03:00:09 can we do the survey on the first day? 03:00:32 I having the feeling that it will all comes down to do pre-work on the first day 03:01:16 as for the Malaysia side... 03:01:32 are they from the same school? 03:01:45 My budget is almost up for the accommodation 03:02:07 is there anywhere I can get the budget topup? 03:02:49 aho no, they are from different schools and different sexes as well :-). 03:06:16 are we on? 03:06:21 ya... 03:06:34 do you have budget? 03:06:45 i don't. 03:06:46 I just need SGD 1000 03:06:51 comm-arch doesn't as well. 03:06:54 hmm. 03:07:06 about 750usd 03:07:12 yup 03:07:14 let me ping max 03:07:41 the issue is I have overspent...and I trying to get it within... 03:07:50 China might have a few more lecturers 03:08:10 Can late registrants pay their own way? 03:09:45 just sent a note to max 03:09:49 you both are cc'ed 03:09:52 he's on irc as well now 03:09:56 spevack 03:10:08 let's ask him now and make the decision 03:11:06 mchua: get max here if he can 03:11:39 * mchua pings max 03:14:49 * mchua waiting.... 03:15:03 in the meantime, what other details do we need to square away? 03:15:20 hey all 03:15:29 who is teaching which topic 03:15:33 hey, spevack! Thanks for dropping by. 03:15:34 spevack: hey! 03:15:40 harish_: Yep. 03:15:40 hi harish, hi everyone! 03:15:53 * mchua waits for aho_ and harish_ to ask spevack what they need to ask, queues up other topics 03:16:31 sorry 03:16:42 spevack: sent you an email about funding of about S$1000 (about US$750) for posse. marketing short by that amout. right aho? 03:16:51 yeah 03:16:53 that's no problem at all 03:17:04 harish_: you can just bundle it in with the other APAC costs to 709? 03:17:10 we seems to have too many lecturers coming 03:17:27 ok that sounds doable 03:17:35 and I'd like to thank both of you -- aho_ and harish_ -- for all of the work you guys are doing to organize. I hope that you and mchua have a great POSSE next week! 03:17:41 potentially we have oversold posse 03:17:41 is there any more press coverage being planned? 03:17:50 harish_: that's not necessarily a bad problem :) 03:18:03 alolita is supposed to be doing something 03:18:11 spevack: yes, a happy problem 03:19:23 aho, so we have the additional S$1k. 03:19:46 great...how do I get it? 03:19:56 please give my best to alolita if she is there! 03:20:11 will do 03:20:21 i think she will be online rather than in person 03:21:24 just reading this 03:21:34 aho_: you guys can just charge that S$1k to my cost center -- Harish is making another payment to a Fedora Ambassador and has some expenses in Malaysia that will also go to my cost center, so we can include it in those transactions, i think 03:21:44 harish_: tuan is emailing me every day -- I'm trying to get him to be patient :) 03:22:28 spevack: yes, i know. i have pinged finance on how best to do this as the receipts are not in my name. let me ping them again. 03:22:29 should not be a problem per se. 03:22:33 ok...then we will confirm the 2 malaysian 03:22:45 Harish, your email only have one address.. 03:22:49 aho_: great. 03:22:50 do u have the other one 03:22:53 ? 03:23:04 harish_: do you want me to write an email explaining it that you can use? 03:23:17 actually, i guess you could use the ones i've already sent 03:23:32 aho_: yes, i don't have it with me right now. she is with Monash in Malaysia. I sent you an SMS some time ago. 03:23:59 i don't have her business card with me right now. 03:24:05 I need the email for approval to get the SGD 1k 03:24:17 Harish: the facilities 03:24:22 spevack: a note will help 03:24:31 if they come in without any laptop, they can use the lab 03:24:39 aho_: i will write up a note for the S$1k and another for harish_ for our other Fedora stuff 03:24:44 aho_: ok 03:24:55 spevack: ok 03:25:04 but the issue is you might have to get them to install what u need on the first day 03:25:57 aho_: we will ask them to back up stuff if they need their windoze 03:26:45 most of the attendees are from non-english speaking country 03:27:00 will need you and Mel to speak slowly ;) 03:27:18 aho_: not an issue 03:27:24 * mchua will try to remember that 03:27:37 i w i l l s p e a k s l o w l y 03:27:42 haha... 03:27:52 so, the count we are looking at is 03:27:55 20 from China 03:28:00 2 from Korea 03:28:05 2 from Malaysia 03:28:11 5 from SIngapore 03:28:25 about 60% are confirmed 03:28:32 wow! 03:28:39 none from india, indonesia? 03:29:17 India we tried....they said we told them too late 03:29:27 Indonesia, nope 03:29:30 aho_: ok 03:30:14 so almot 30 people with 60% confirmed. still outstanding numbers. 03:30:22 pressure mounts to make this a success 03:30:47 I having a nightmare on accommodation... 03:30:56 but I think it is a good problem 03:31:36 :-) 03:32:14 aho_: how many of the confirmed people do we have survey data and a POSSE pledge from? 03:32:36 none... 03:32:43 aho_: when will we get them? ;) 03:32:54 haha...pulling my hair out 03:32:59 :) 03:33:06 If we get them on the posse-apac mailing list, I can help nag... 03:33:25 the problem is the chinese...we will not be able to reach them directly now 03:33:29 aho_: that's actually something we should do asap - get them all onto the same discussion mailing list, and posse-apac works... 03:33:32 aho_: how's that? 03:33:40 aho_: they can't subscribe to mailing lists? 03:33:47 Chinese will have communication problem 03:33:50 aho_: that should not be a problem per se. 03:34:09 aho_: language barrier wise, or something else? 03:35:00 language 03:36:24 We have Red Hat China coordinating this 03:36:36 aho_: What can we do to make things go smoothly for the Chinese lecturers? 03:36:48 face-to-face 03:37:06 It is pretty tough to communicate with the Chinese on email 03:37:20 The Korea are fine writing, but speaking it might be an issue 03:38:41 harish_: we may need to be highly improvisational with the curriculum :) 03:38:55 gotta disconnect. 03:38:57 aho_: Is there one way you think we can reach everyone at once, or will we always have to do a double channel - voice and text? 03:38:57 moving rooms 03:39:02 will reconnect 03:39:12 * mchua wants to figure out three things tonight, for the record 03:39:16 1) with harish: who's teaching what 03:39:30 2) with aho: how to get in touch / get info from lecturers before the start date 03:39:38 3) if we're missing any other big moving pieces before next week 03:40:01 (In particular, I suspect #3 will include "are all the lecturers set up with computers?" and "where can we get VMs?") 03:40:28 do bear in mind that it is not easy for the Chinese to travel out of the country, especially for government employees 03:40:28 aho_: while harish_ is moving rooms, what are your thoughts on the "communicate with lecturers" front? 03:40:32 * mchua nods 03:40:49 so...the reason for coming to POSSE might not be as clear as what we thought 03:41:01 and with that we do need to handle it by ear 03:41:24 The services manager from China will join on the first day 03:41:50 with regards to communication, he said english is fine 03:42:02 but you have to speak s l o w l y 03:43:10 aho_: Will speak slowly, no worries. 03:43:37 aho_: I'm from the Philippines, and the 3 generations of my family there have 3 different preferred languages, so I'm in some ways kind of used to this. 03:45:36 sure :) 03:46:04 I have prepared refreshment for the morning break 03:46:19 Yay, food! 03:46:26 The school visits will be on Tuesday at Nangyang Polytechnic 03:46:45 as for the thursday....I'm not sure where to go 03:47:06 Can't go to an university, but we can go over to another polytechnic 03:47:16 aho_: As a backup, if we can't visit a physical school, we can always visit Fedora Classroom on IRC - I can probably get someone to run a class there on short notice. 03:47:43 So they can get an idea of how we teach each other even if we can't meet face to face all the time. 03:49:18 aho_: Aside from the Chinese lecturers, do you think everyone else will probably be ok on the mailing list? 03:49:34 Ya...I think the malaysian will be ok 03:49:43 The korean, we only get a confirmation tomorrow 03:50:22 aho_: Can we get them on the posse-apac list so we can start giving them information about what's going on? 03:51:40 ok...can you point me to how they can subscrible? 03:51:48 sure, I'll find the link now 03:51:55 btw, if they don't attend, can people subscribe? 03:52:07 aho_: http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/posse-apac 03:52:11 aho_: They certainly can. 03:52:13 aho_: the mailing list is open 03:53:05 * mchua updates http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC#Follow_POSSE_APAC with the same 03:53:08 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC#Follow_POSSE_APAC 03:53:11 (for meetbot) 03:53:41 Just got an update from China...it seems like it is 10 now...this is too exciting 03:53:45 wow! 03:54:08 aho_: if we have the information from http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Pre-event_Survey for each lecturer, I can also add them all to the mailing list so they don't have to take the trouble to subscribe themselves. 03:54:44 aho_: the information on that survey, and agreement to http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Pledge, and the availability of a computer to work on, are the three things I'm looking for from each lecturer before the weekend 03:55:19 ok... 03:59:26 will you be able to tell who when they subscribe? 04:00:25 aho_: Yep. 04:00:39 ok...I will send the email out now 04:00:43 is there anything else 04:00:51 I need to confirm the list asap... 04:01:01 aho_: The mailing list will let us reach all the lecturers except for the Chinese ones - how can we reach the Chinese ones? 04:01:09 I will send to all 04:01:14 aho_: would the mailing list work if I could get the messages translated into simplified chinese? 04:02:13 I think we can stay with that now 04:02:55 aho_: Ok, just the mailing list, and English? Or should we be looking for a translator? 04:03:09 English for now 04:03:17 Ok. 04:03:31 aho_: also, when do you think we'll have the final list of lecturers in, and the http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Pre-event_Survey info from them? 04:03:47 Harish and I can improvise a lot, but the more we know about our students the better we can prepare. 04:04:46 understand... 04:04:52 This is the first time 04:05:05 I think we will need to also identify what works and what not 04:06:59 aho_: Yep. 04:07:08 aho_: Do we have time on Friday afternoon for us to sit down and do a debrief? 04:07:13 (will everyone still be conscious? ;) 04:07:49 yes yes 04:07:50 we can 04:07:52 aho_: My plane leaves Saturday, so that's the only chance we'll have to sit down in person - though I'll be in the Philippines immediately afterwards and we can finish some things up remotely too. 04:08:08 Ok - we'll be nice to ourselves and have a good dinner and such too. :) 04:08:11 When will yo arrive in SGP? 04:08:31 u have my contact?..from my email 04:08:53 * mchua checks 04:09:35 Oh...I got your flight details 04:10:23 give me a call on Sunday morning if you are not suffering from Jetlag 04:10:35 we meet up for dinner 04:11:17 aho_: I'm usually pretty chipper, so will do. 04:11:37 haha...yeah 04:11:43 aho_: do you think I should get a sim card or somesuch so I can have cell phone access for the week? would that be helpful? 04:11:58 ya...that will really be helpful 04:12:06 I will be in an out of the class... 04:12:26 You might need to contact me during the week if I happen not to be there 04:12:32 aho_: Ok. Can you get those at the airport, or... should we make plans to meet for a (late) breakfast and then that's the first thing I can get? 04:12:58 aho_: I'll also be on IRC whenever I have wifi access (which means whenever we're in the classroom, I'll be in this channel) if that helps 04:13:26 aho_: ...actually, yeah, I might have to get the SIM card sunday morning, unless there's a place to buy them saturday at midnight :) 04:13:32 yes...you can get it at the airport 04:14:11 you can get it at the counter... 04:14:17 at midnight? 04:14:41 aho_: we can also set a time/place to meet on Sunday to make sure we get to touch base regardless of whether I can get a SIM card or not :) 04:14:54 though the first thing I plan on doing at the hotel is getting internet access in my room, too. 04:15:11 Will meet at your hotel lobby at 6.30 04:15:16 pm 04:15:24 that is a happening area 04:15:33 you will enjoy the nightlife 04:16:20 aho_: I should be un-jetlagged by then :) Sounds good, thanks! 04:16:41 * mchua probably won't have any time to enjoy the nightlife - and generally just walks quietly through the streets of new cities late at night - but that sounds good, more people to watch :) 04:17:01 * mchua puts that on calendar 04:17:22 it is by the river... 04:18:14 ok.. 04:18:36 I need to go now 04:18:42 there is a SGP office meeting 04:19:02 aho_: gotcha. I think with the lecturers on the list, and I can ask them about the survey questions on the list, we'll be ok 04:19:40 aho_: I'll continuously be in this channel and on the mailing list between now and Friday when I fly out, so we can work things out there and if we need to meet again, we'll figure something out 04:19:48 aho_: if you see harish, ask him when he'll be back online :) 04:19:50 aho_: thanks! 05:50:08 #endmeeting